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DavidDvorkin

(19,562 posts)
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 03:37 PM Nov 2023

Palestinian Authority denies Hamas music festival massacre

The Palestinian Authority denied in an official statement on Sunday that Hamas terrorists carried out the massacre at the Nova music festival near Kibbutz Re’im on October 7. The statement, sent to foreign ministries worldwide and the UN, claimed that "Israeli helicopters" caused the deaths of at least 350 participants at the party. Hamas joined in a statement as well, saying that an "Israeli fighter jet" bombed the area near the Gaza border, leading to the deaths of hundreds.


https://www.ynetnews.com/article/h1nngcpnp
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Palestinian Authority denies Hamas music festival massacre (Original Post) DavidDvorkin Nov 2023 OP
Palestinian Authority equals Hamas mcar Nov 2023 #1
Why, until Palestine is free from the river to the sea, of course! DavidDvorkin Nov 2023 #7
That's who Biden wants to take over Gaza and West Bank and East Jerusalem. David__77 Nov 2023 #9
And therein lies the dilemma, doesn't it? Beastly Boy Nov 2023 #23
They might get a few neighborhoods in Eastern Jerusalem as part of an eventual final settlement. tritsofme Nov 2023 #31
A two state solution likely isn't viable anyway. David__77 Nov 2023 #32
This could have been written by one of D. Trump's speech writers. Sal_NV Nov 2023 #2
That is eery Kennah Nov 2023 #13
If you consider just how much of his dogma comes straight from the FSB. Ford_Prefect Nov 2023 #19
Insane enid602 Nov 2023 #28
Read this lie: superpatriotman Nov 2023 #3
I knew all those videos sarisataka Nov 2023 #4
This is sickening, and too many people are going to believe these lies n/t Just_Vote_Dem Nov 2023 #5
Sounds like they should take it up with Haaretz. David__77 Nov 2023 #6
Really really stupid. Freethinker65 Nov 2023 #8
I want to believe that the PA is being held hostage by Hamas. OAITW r.2.0 Nov 2023 #10
In a sense they are. Igel Nov 2023 #29
So many . . . Richard D Nov 2023 #11
This does nothing JustAnotherGen Nov 2023 #12
Exactly right! Behind the Aegis Nov 2023 #21
Rec Exactly.. It proves that NOTHING Cha Nov 2023 #22
I'm waiting for confirmation AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #14
Is this the "revitalized Palestinian Authority" TheProle Nov 2023 #15
And this is supposed to be Israel's partner in peace-making. marybourg Nov 2023 #16
Indeed. DavidDvorkin Nov 2023 #17
they do know there were surviving witnesses, right? 0rganism Nov 2023 #18
The PA's idiotic move plays right into Netanyahu's hands. Bye bye 2 state solution! SunSeeker Nov 2023 #20
Maybe not idiotic if they never wanted 2 states to begin with, which they seemingly do not. Maru Kitteh Nov 2023 #40
True. But PA/Hamas' fever dreams of a Palestine "from the river to the sea" is idiotic. SunSeeker Nov 2023 #44
Let's not forget the head of the PA blaming the Jews for the Holocaust DavidDvorkin Nov 2023 #24
Surprised this wasn't posted as anti Israel propaganda. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #25
Post removed Post removed Nov 2023 #26
Further IDF Vid of Hamas w/Hostages & Stolen Vehicles Cha Nov 2023 #27
I just want to note: the overwhelmingly disproportionate retaliation intheflow Nov 2023 #30
I believe the "blooming lie" would have taken place irregardless of what Israel did. ny yagotme Nov 2023 #34
Israels fault. There it is. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #36
So you believe Israel's response is helping the situtatino? intheflow Nov 2023 #38
Its not helping the cause of spreading Hamas propaganda, no. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #39
Not spreading propaganda. intheflow Nov 2023 #43
"Disproportionate response" is an opinion, not a fact. SunSeeker Nov 2023 #45
Right right, those JOOOOZ made them lie. tritsofme Nov 2023 #41
Not what I said. intheflow Nov 2023 #42
Don't believe your lying eyes. Liberal In Texas Nov 2023 #33
It took them a while to come up with this one Paidon Nov 2023 #35
And they are really trying, in the next breath pinkstarburst Nov 2023 #37

tritsofme

(17,572 posts)
31. They might get a few neighborhoods in Eastern Jerusalem as part of an eventual final settlement.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 11:27 AM
Nov 2023

But Israel will remain a Jewish state, with Jerusalem as her undivided and eternal capital.

Sal_NV

(603 posts)
2. This could have been written by one of D. Trump's speech writers.
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 03:45 PM
Nov 2023

It sounds almost word for word what D. Trump has been doing, deny any wrong doing and blame everyone else.

enid602

(8,750 posts)
28. Insane
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 06:45 PM
Nov 2023

I think they forgot we have the whole incident on video, and have witnesses to what happened.

superpatriotman

(6,266 posts)
3. Read this lie:
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 03:46 PM
Nov 2023
...“Following this event, the 'Hannibal Protocol' was activated, allowing the occupation’s police and military to kill everyone. Therefore, the ministry believes that the revelations of this investigation cast doubt on the Israeli reports regarding the destruction and killings that occurred in the area," the statement added...

The smooth-brained will believe this made-up shit.

sarisataka

(19,402 posts)
4. I knew all those videos
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 03:47 PM
Nov 2023

and eye witness accounts were sketchy. I'm glad the PA is finally letting us know what really happened.

Igel

(35,493 posts)
29. In a sense they are.
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 10:47 PM
Nov 2023

The PA, like all political bodies, are held hostage by their populace. The PA isn't sufficiently repressive to dictate the populace's views.

Hamas may be, but the PA senses that killing Jews to avenge Palestinian honor and religion (call it what you will) has wide support. They know that what happened is sketchily "Islamic." To justify it causes anal pain, to reject it causes anal pain.

So there's an alt interpretation, courtesy of Hezbollah. "It's all false flag!"

The redoubt of the redoubtful.

Richard D

(8,914 posts)
11. So many . . .
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 04:02 PM
Nov 2023

. . . seemingly ordinary people, already believe that the IDF carried out the slaughter and that Hamas wear the halos of freedom fighters.

JustAnotherGen

(32,292 posts)
12. This does nothing
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 04:12 PM
Nov 2023

But confirm that even the PLO is in on the Hamas Propaganda. I don't believe a single word coming out of the mouths of the Palestinian leadership.

They are gas lighting liars.

Behind the Aegis

(54,187 posts)
21. Exactly right!
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 04:45 PM
Nov 2023

It is amazing who and, less so, why, people are spewing the propaganda of Hamas, but there it is.

(On a personal note) I am sorry I didn't respond to your post the other day, I got really distracted (PT, pets, you name it), but husband and I are taking precautions to the rising anti-Semitism and (now, again) homophobia. I meant to reach out to you the other day to express my sympathy and anger in regard to the poster attacking Jeffries and the fact that posters here were trying to justify that shit. Talk about gaslighting!

BTW, if you have Netflix, watch "Rustin". It was VERY good!

marybourg

(12,681 posts)
16. And this is supposed to be Israel's partner in peace-making.
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 04:27 PM
Nov 2023

And if peace isn’t made, of course it will be Israel’s fault. (needed, unfortunately)

0rganism

(24,073 posts)
18. they do know there were surviving witnesses, right?
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 04:40 PM
Nov 2023

I don't see how this stupid lie makes its way past midfield. OTOH, it's probably not for consumption by any but the terrorist true believers. Seems antithetical to gaining global credibility, but perhaps the PA just doesn't care about that anymore, if they ever did. Bad for everyone if that's the case...

SunSeeker

(52,178 posts)
20. The PA's idiotic move plays right into Netanyahu's hands. Bye bye 2 state solution!
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 04:43 PM
Nov 2023

What country in its right mind would want these reality denying hateful nutjobs in charge next door?

Oh, BTW, Palestinian Authority, if you don't believe Hamas committed the October 7 atrocities, and think all the videos of dead babies in their cribs are deep fakes, ask Hamas. They proudly took credit for it and promised to do it again, and again. https://news.yahoo.com/hamas-member-says-repeat-attacks-065643206.html

Fucking idiots.

Maru Kitteh

(28,369 posts)
40. Maybe not idiotic if they never wanted 2 states to begin with, which they seemingly do not.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 12:36 PM
Nov 2023

I think their actions show what they want.

SunSeeker

(52,178 posts)
44. True. But PA/Hamas' fever dreams of a Palestine "from the river to the sea" is idiotic.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 10:10 PM
Nov 2023

And genocidal.

DavidDvorkin

(19,562 posts)
24. Let's not forget the head of the PA blaming the Jews for the Holocaust
Sun Nov 19, 2023, 06:06 PM
Nov 2023
In a speech last month to senior members of his Fatah movement, Abbas said that Adolf Hitler killed European Jews not because of antisemitism, but because of their “social functions” in society, such as money lending.

“These people were fought because of their social function related to money, usury,” Abbas said in the speech. “From Hitler’s point of view, they were sabotaging, and therefore he hated them.”



https://apnews.com/article/palestinians-israel-holocaust-abbas-antisemitism-1d84b3a82f0d8ff3fd8601f06bc1176e

Response to DavidDvorkin (Original post)

intheflow

(28,555 posts)
30. I just want to note: the overwhelmingly disproportionate retaliation
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 10:37 AM
Nov 2023

by the Israeli government allowed this lie to bloom. No one denied it was Hamas when it happened, including the Palestinian Authority. With little/no infrastructure left, this lie will blossom via oral retellings by Palestinians who no longer have reliable access to global news networks, who have lost their homes as well as multiple friends and families, who are rife with trauma and prime targets for propaganda. Latest casualty estimates say 10-14k Palestinians have been killed in the last seven weeks. Compare that to Ukraine, at war now for just shy of two years, with an estimated 30k killed. That's 30k killed in 21 months juxtaposed against 12k in 1.5 months.

intheflow

(28,555 posts)
43. Not spreading propaganda.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 02:30 PM
Nov 2023

Palestinian Authority condemns Hamas attack: https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-news-hamas-war-10-15-23/h_2d24edd7bb9d823840329113a304a166 (Oct. 15)

Current Palestinian death estimate: https://wapo.st/47BiVHA (gift article, 18th paragraph)
Also at this link: 1,200 Israeli deaths on Oct. 7th vs. 11,000 in seven weeks.

That is a disproportionate response. Netanyahu's literally killed 100 times more Palestinians than Israel suffered in the terrorist attack. This in turn makes Israel MORE of a target as most of the rest of the world views that kind of OTT response as genocidal.

Stating facts doesn't make me an anti-Semite.


SunSeeker

(52,178 posts)
45. "Disproportionate response" is an opinion, not a fact.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 10:23 PM
Nov 2023

Even if we accepted Hamas' 11k death estimates (the Hamas-run Gaza Health Ministry claimed this 11k number), which WaPo and other media outlets often repeat without noting those numbers are unconfirmed, what those numbers mean is not a disproportionate response, but rather the devastating effects of Hamas using civilizations as human shields.

intheflow

(28,555 posts)
42. Not what I said.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 01:58 PM
Nov 2023

But I guess if you can't tell the difference between the Jewish people and Netanyahu's government, it's easy to misunderstand my meaning. Try understanding the difference between culture, ethnicity, and political power. It's hard, but you can still try.

Liberal In Texas

(13,728 posts)
33. Don't believe your lying eyes.
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 11:38 AM
Nov 2023

All that video of terrorists chasing and gunning down the music festival patrons is actually an Israeli plane bombing them. Uh huh.

pinkstarburst

(1,331 posts)
37. And they are really trying, in the next breath
Mon Nov 20, 2023, 11:55 AM
Nov 2023

to suggest a two state solution is viable and that they are sane leaders who could be in charge of the new Palestinian state? Statements like this only sadly reinforce that there may never be peace in this region for these two peoples. I don't know what this means for the people currently living in Gaza. I truly don't. Brainwashed.

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