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LetMyPeopleVote

(145,646 posts)
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 08:39 PM Nov 2023

Colorado judge rules Trump 'engaged in insurrection' -- but can still run for president

We cannot count on the courts to protect us from TFG. We need to defeat TFG at the ballot box and not count on the courts/14th Amendment to save us from a TFG second term. If TFG is re-elected there will be no further elections



https://www.politico.com/news/2023/11/17/colorado-judge-rules-trump-engaged-in-insurrection-but-can-still-run-for-president-00127909

A Colorado judge has turned away a challenge looking to disqualify former President Donald Trump from running for president under an interpretation of the 14th Amendment that argued he engaged in insurrection against the United States on Jan. 6, 2021.

The ruling came in a case brought by progressive activists who sued the state, arguing that Trump was barred from returning to the office. A handful of courts in other states turned away similar challenges.

The case in Colorado was brought by the liberal government watchdog group Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington. CREW argued that Trump is ineligible to run because of a clause in the 14th Amendment, which reads that those who took an oath to defend the Constitution and then have “engaged in insurrection or rebellion against the same, or given aid or comfort to the enemies thereof” are ineligible

The judge found that Trump did engage in an insurrection on January 6, 2021 “through incitement, and that the First Amendment does not protect Trump’s speech.” But she also found that Section 3 of the 14th Amendment doesn’t apply to Trump.
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Colorado judge rules Trump 'engaged in insurrection' -- but can still run for president (Original Post) LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 OP
Geez will probably embolden him and his followers. ALBliberal Nov 2023 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Nov 2023 #2
Doesn't apply to Trump? VeryProgressive Nov 2023 #3
Agreed. It has precedent. Nowhere does it say "except for president". bullimiami Nov 2023 #4
She explains it clearly Bludogdem Nov 2023 #9
He shot the nation in the middle of fifth avenue C_U_L8R Nov 2023 #5
I agree with court ruling, although I detest trump. Stunts like his are anti-democratic, Silent Type Nov 2023 #6
WTF!? triron Nov 2023 #10
No, I've probably been voting for Democrats long before you. We need to beat the MFer at the polls. Silent Type Nov 2023 #15
"concern" Tarc Nov 2023 #17
Of course!! TSExile Nov 2023 #7
Meidas Touch Video of this. TheBlackAdder Nov 2023 #8
she lost me when she wrote "President Trump" RANDYWILDMAN Nov 2023 #11
and he has not be changed or found guilty of it.. DemocratInPa Nov 2023 #13
So, he is an EndlessWire Nov 2023 #12
I don't mind these judgements, but I do mind where they naturally lead Takket Nov 2023 #14
How in the world can both those things be in the same sentence???!?!???!?!?!? GuppyGal Nov 2023 #16
Prof. Tribe and Judge Luttig thinks this ruling will end up as a defeat for TFG LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #18
Some people just want to watch the world burn. Initech Nov 2023 #19
Professor Tribe and Judge Luttig explain why the Colorado 14th Amendment decision is wrong LetMyPeopleVote Nov 2023 #20
Above the law ? Sure seems like it. republianmushroom Nov 2023 #21

Response to LetMyPeopleVote (Original post)

VeryProgressive

(27 posts)
3. Doesn't apply to Trump?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 08:44 PM
Nov 2023

Does she explain how she came to the conclusion that this 14th Amendment section doesn't apply to the President? Such an exemption doesn't exist in the 14th amendment explicitly nor implied. This is bullshit reasoning.

C_U_L8R

(45,021 posts)
5. He shot the nation in the middle of fifth avenue
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:00 PM
Nov 2023

But apparently the laws of homicide don't apply.

This land has lost its marbles.

Silent Type

(3,004 posts)
6. I agree with court ruling, although I detest trump. Stunts like his are anti-democratic,
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:06 PM
Nov 2023

or close to it. Next time it might be a Democrat or some guy who was protesting.

The so-called “progressive activists” who file the complaint aren’t speaking for me.

Beat him in the ultimate court, the polls.

Silent Type

(3,004 posts)
15. No, I've probably been voting for Democrats long before you. We need to beat the MFer at the polls.
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 12:11 AM
Nov 2023

A stunt like this 14th Amendment BS, ain’t democratic. In fact, it’s more a “puke” tactic.

RANDYWILDMAN

(2,678 posts)
11. she lost me when she wrote "President Trump"
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:09 PM
Nov 2023

he was never for one second that person but he did incite violence against the US and the voters of several states deserve better a lot better !

DemocratInPa

(357 posts)
13. and he has not be changed or found guilty of it..
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:27 PM
Nov 2023

The ruling is very clear and her explanation follows the law.

I hate DT more than anyone, but it was always a pipe dream thinking he was going to ve removed from ballot in any state.

EndlessWire

(6,573 posts)
12. So, he is an
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:22 PM
Nov 2023

insurrectionist, a rapist, a fraudster, a cheater, a mobster...but still qualified for the Presidency? Scant comfort...judge really reached for that one. As long as you didn't pledge allegiance to the Constitution, you can do what you want. Gee, that makes sense. We need to change the oath of office that the President takes.

Chickenshit judiciary...and he's going to cheat at the polls, so we don't have a lot to look forward to in 2024. I'm still rooting for the prosecutors and judges, but no longer expecting anything.

Of all the things he did, the stealing of our nation's secrets, strewn about his toilets, stages, and floors, is the thing that angers me the most--not that creating an insurrection is a small thing. but I just find the betrayal stunning.

And, why didn't Ginny Thomas get named as a co-conspirator? That's a lapse in justice, too.

Takket

(21,640 posts)
14. I don't mind these judgements, but I do mind where they naturally lead
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:29 PM
Nov 2023

I honestly don't object to him being allowed on a PRIMARY ballot. If the rethugs are fucking stupid enough to nominate him that is really their business.

But the next logical step to me is that his status on the general election ballot should be challenged, and he should NOT be allowed on that ballot. But using these decisions as a precedent now, I doubt any judge would agree to that, and THAT is wrong.

republianmushroom

(13,727 posts)
21. Above the law ? Sure seems like it.
Sat Nov 18, 2023, 01:24 PM
Nov 2023

The judge found that Trump did engage in an insurrection on January 6, 2021 “through incitement, and that the First Amendment does not protect Trump’s speech.” But she also found that Section 3 of the 14th Amendment doesn’t apply to Trump.

Professor Tribe and Judge Luttig explain why the Colorado 14th Amendment decision is wrong


https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218464807


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