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(6,532 posts)
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:17 AM Nov 2023

This is a subject which doesn't get enough attention. USPS (is it not sexy enough?)

Surprise, it lost money last year. I wonder, is it not due in large part to the cancellation of processing upgrades? Upgrades that had largely been funded and were already partially installed when Dejoy took the reins at Trump's behest. I suspect that the overall efficiency of the postal service suffered due to that "executive" decision, everything else Trump touched has suffered.

Does anyone have a running list of other "bad luck" the USPS has run into since Dejoy took over?

Have the prerequisites for removing him been achieved yet?

Is there a legitimate reason Dejoy hasn't been removed?

Is the current management of the USPS not a protential boon to Trump's/GOP's continuing attempts to screw up the 2024 contest?

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Stardust Mirror

(309 posts)
1. wasn't DeJoy appointed purposely to ruin USPS so it could be privatized?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:22 AM
Nov 2023

and the suppression of mail in ballots is just a bonus?


(35,934 posts)
2. I'm frustrated by the whole issue of DeJoy, too.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:27 AM
Nov 2023

We get news snippets via streaming, not entire news shows but I haven't heard one story on the recent reported loss by the USPS.

At one time I sort of understood why we can't get rid of DeJoy but now I don't get it. As more & more people vote by mail a poorly run postal service will be a bigger issue. I really don't get why rural Americans aren't more concerned about this considering how much delivery USPS does for the private companies.

I buy a product from a company in Denver, just down the road from me. They used to pop it in the mail & I'd get it the next day most of the time, 2 days max. Now they ship via UPS, who outsource to the USPS & it takes 3-4 days.


(45,259 posts)
3. Question: Did the National Park Service lose money last year? Did the FBI?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:35 AM
Nov 2023

USPS is a government SERVICE. If we pretend it is a business we are playing into the RW hands.
Services cost money. Thankfully, USPS makes part of that money back unlike the FDA. Don't follow along with RW talking points.

Silent Type

(2,335 posts)
7. That was the conspiracy theory at the time. I think pretty much debunked by now.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:06 AM
Nov 2023

"USPS’s revenues haven’t covered its expenses and debt for more than 15 years. And its expenses are growing faster than its revenues, in part due to continuing declines in volume for First-Class Mail—its most profitable product."



(6,532 posts)
8. The USPS, unlike the NPS and FBI is mandated by congress to maintain.....
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:43 AM
Nov 2023

a balance which funds their workers retirement entitlements in full. That was their "conservative" approach to removing USPS from competition with UPS, Fed-X, etc. In their fondest fever dreams, such a "business-like" approach to the regulation of an inconveniently constitution-mandated entity would undermine and eventually cripple the USPS, tossing another straw onto the camel's back of government's demise, propping up the Gipper's pre-Viagra night-life. Their contemporary bonus is that the USPS is now, inadvertently, a major ballot custodian whose participation in delivery of ballots is used to confuse and discredit the counting of votes. This, because there is no universally legal methodology of vote tabulation and no universal chain of custody for the handling of those mail-in ballots except that which governs the handling of first class mail. This, because the states have the sole responsibility to conduct their own and federal elections because the writers of the constitution had no plan for the federal government to conduct the elections because that would require that they would have to agree to pretend to take the concept of democracy seriously. So, instead, they invented an "Electoral College" and washed their hands of it and waited for a post-civil war government (they anticipated that about 4 score and 9 years before the event) to fix all that shit, if the US even survived at all.

R/W talking points? Nyet!


(21,926 posts)
6. It doesn't get a lot of attention because Biden named people who support DeJoy to the board of governors.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:48 AM
Nov 2023


(6,532 posts)
9. I think that's a low-hanging fruit long ripe for plucking.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:49 AM
Nov 2023

And if it's just that simple, it's epically disappointing. Is it just too hard or something?


(6,532 posts)
13. Was it a tradeoff made to get his initial, early term, proposals passed?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 12:57 PM
Nov 2023

If so, I accede to his wisdom on the matter of congressional politics and quid pro quo stuff. I'm still harboring some trepidation regarding the effect Dejoy's USPS may to wield in the 2024 election. I've heard no resolution which would clear the air around the issue of mail-in ballots. I realize it's an issue for the individual states and with a few of them so deeply red I dread the possibility of the Electoral College playing an outsized role again.

It's all on the public perception, I know. The rules and regulations are, in themselves and though arcane, adequate to carry the process through. It's the acceptance, by the general public, of that outcome wherein lie risks. I, and I'm sure many others, would be quite aggrieved if Trump were to ascend despite a popular vote favoring his Democratic opponent. In that eventuality I would be a strong supporter of civil disobedience to stop his installment in the Whitehouse. If I am thus, then I'm sure the Nazis would be barking mad for vengeance should it go against their hero. What if it were all to land, somewhat squarely, on the lap of a sabotaged postal delivery system?

What if Princip had been given access to a second amendment approved AR-15. Would the US have entered the war a bit sooner so as not to miss all the fun? Purely and damn poor at that.


(1,163 posts)
14. Expenses
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 02:56 PM
Nov 2023

Expenses are high! Consider sitting at 400 plus mailboxes a day with engine running and give gas to get to the next mailbox. Consider all those 400 plus mailboxes that a carrier has to brake for. Consider the wages of the employees. Consider the breakdown repairs of the ancient fleet of mail trucks. Consider a $0.66 stamp on a letter can go from the state of Maine to Hawaii. Consider no government funding is given to the postal service. Congress Robbed the Postal Service for years! Remember, it had to pre-fund their retirement health insurance for 75 years. BILLIONS of dollars....Where you think that went to?

Midnight Writer

(21,296 posts)
15. USPS "pays" billions to the Federal Treasury each year in "Revenue Foregone".
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 03:01 PM
Nov 2023

These are government-mandated services provided by the Postal Service that Congress is supposed to reimburse them for.

These services include franked mail, heavy discounts for non=profit organizations, Free Matter For The Blind, Library and Book rates, Passport Services, Military rates, periodical rates, and other services.

Every year, Congress votes to not pay these bills, and the Postal Service eats the losses.

This may not account for the total loss, but it is a factor.

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