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14% of gun owners in America own more guns than IDF found Al Shifa Hospital (Original Post) Army Brat Nov 2023 OP
"Yeah, but ... but ..." Very interesting fact. marble falls Nov 2023 #1
I'm sure there's lots of people who think the US found chemical weapons in Iraq. David__77 Nov 2023 #2
I posted something similar last night and RainWalker Nov 2023 #3
''THE AMERIGUNS BY GABRIELE GALIMBERTI - TEXAS 002.'' Donkees Nov 2023 #11
Probably because it's a meaningless comparison. TwilightZone Nov 2023 #16
Thank you for proving my point RainWalker Nov 2023 #18
Every household prepared to Remember the Alamo! bucolic_frolic Nov 2023 #4
I blame the NY Times. NCIndie Nov 2023 #5
LOL. Yeah, it's always the media's fault. Silent Type Nov 2023 #7
And the conclusion we can draw sarisataka Nov 2023 #6
It's escaping me what your actual point is. Sal_NV Nov 2023 #8
It was sold as the "beating heart" of Hamas Army Brat Nov 2023 #10
Ok I get where you're coming from, Sal_NV Nov 2023 #14
Who will check the IDFs weapons locations. N/T malaise Nov 2023 #25
Huh? Sal_NV Nov 2023 #27
It's possible they evacuated. NutmegYankee Nov 2023 #22
You mean Mountainguy Nov 2023 #9
Some people get salty as fuck when Hamas gets bad press. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #12
I have yet to see any post sarisataka Nov 2023 #15
Or how many tunnels need to be found. Or how many dead hostages. Its a moving goalpost. nt LexVegas Nov 2023 #21
Didn't you see, they aren't tunnels! AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #30
These are just shit stirring tweets and I would not pay them mind. GuppyGal Nov 2023 #13
100% of the guns found are a war crime revmclaren Nov 2023 #17
Post removed Post removed Nov 2023 #19
Do you have any specific proof that the IDF planted those weapons? Sal_NV Nov 2023 #24
Any proof they didn't? Army Brat Nov 2023 #26
I see your point, Sal_NV Nov 2023 #29
Why would there be any guns or military equipment at a hospital? Ace Rothstein Nov 2023 #20
What "survey"? former9thward Nov 2023 #23
He's a reporter from the Intercept and TYT AZSkiffyGeek Nov 2023 #32
you understand that these are the guns they LEFT BEHIND lapfog_1 Nov 2023 #28
We also ForgedCrank Nov 2023 #31

Donkees

(30,653 posts)
11. ''THE AMERIGUNS BY GABRIELE GALIMBERTI - TEXAS 002.''
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:11 AM
Nov 2023
https://54dunkerque.com/gabriele-galimberti/the-ameriguns-photography-texas-002

For over two years, Gabriele Galimberti conducted a visual inquiry on gun culture in the United States, guided by a single obsession: translating this social phenomenon into images. Enshrined as a fundamental right, at the very heart of the Constitution, gun ownership is anchored in all aspects of the American life, sometimes blending into some of its most sacred values. The number of arms (400 million) in the country has, as a matter of fact, surpassed that of the population growth (339 million). Galimberti’s images bring this truth to light, revealing the unexpected sides of the America that loves weapons.


TwilightZone

(24,498 posts)
16. Probably because it's a meaningless comparison.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:17 AM
Nov 2023

That, and your OP was false.

But, other than that....

Edit: ah, I see you edited out the silly assertion.

A bit disingenuous for you to chastise people for objecting to the part you removed.

bucolic_frolic

(42,018 posts)
4. Every household prepared to Remember the Alamo!
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 09:56 AM
Nov 2023

Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition, it's Last Chance at the OK Corral and To the Last Man.

Sal_NV

(603 posts)
8. It's escaping me what your actual point is.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:04 AM
Nov 2023

So what if 14% of americans own more than what has been found so far at the hospital?

 

Army Brat

(151 posts)
10. It was sold as the "beating heart" of Hamas
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:10 AM
Nov 2023

A dozen or two guns and a laptop doesn't seem to fit that description.

Sal_NV

(603 posts)
14. Ok I get where you're coming from,
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:14 AM
Nov 2023

but to be honest, Israel hasn't completed their search at the hospital, so there's still a chance that many more weapons will be found.

How many american gun owners have RPG's? Full automatic rifles?

NutmegYankee

(16,152 posts)
22. It's possible they evacuated.
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:10 AM
Nov 2023

And more than possible, highly likely in fact. The point taken from that still escapes most of us.

Mountainguy

(257 posts)
9. You mean
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:07 AM
Nov 2023

of the ones they didn't carry off to the next dump when they ran away?

For example. There are clearly some .50 cal BMGs there and I don't see the gun that was firing them.

sarisataka

(17,992 posts)
15. I have yet to see any post
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:17 AM
Nov 2023

What is the acceptable number of AK 47s and handgrenades to be in a hospital?

I thought it would be zero because any positive number indicates terrorists were using the hospital illegally.

revmclaren

(2,483 posts)
17. 100% of the guns found are a war crime
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 10:19 AM
Nov 2023

against Hamas for even being in the hospital complex.

And as pointed out already in the thread, some of the magazines shown belong to weapons probably carried off by the terrorists.

Sorry, but your attempts at whataboutism to downplay the facts fails miserably.

Response to revmclaren (Reply #17)

 

Army Brat

(151 posts)
26. Any proof they didn't?
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:38 AM
Nov 2023

The guided tours they're giving the media are so ridiculous they're almost a parody.

Sal_NV

(603 posts)
29. I see your point,
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:49 AM
Nov 2023

but I think I'll take the word of the IDF over the word of a terrorist org., and the IDF hasn't finished their search yet, so there's a strong possibility that more evidence will be discovered.

lapfog_1

(29,026 posts)
28. you understand that these are the guns they LEFT BEHIND
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 11:49 AM
Nov 2023

They have known for 5 weeks (since Oct 7) that the IDF was going to invade Gaza. They likely moved much of their stuff from the above ground hospital to places in their tunnel network. That would be the logical move. They planned this war for many months, possibly years... so having a plan in place to move rockets, grenades, weapons from "protected" sites like schools and hospitals would be the obvious thing.

So this "comparison" is flawed.

And what is the point? Even ONE gun would be proof enough that the hospital was being used by Hamas in violation of the rules of war. Does anyone doubt that they were inside the hospital and staging operations from there thus putting the hospital on a possible target list by the IDF. BTW, from the video I saw, the hospital looked messy and disorganized... but not "bombed out" so apparently the IDF never targeted this hospital for precision air strikes ( a claim made by the pro Palestinian people ).

Last, if you believe that Hamas is NOT AN ARMED militia because 14 percent of Americans have more weapons than were displayed by the IDF in the hospital they captured... there is plenty of evidence to the contrary.


So what is the point of the comparison... is Hamas really a group of innocent Palestinians who happen to own a few guns for resistance against the imperial colonist Israelis? Seriously?

ForgedCrank

(1,645 posts)
31. We also
Fri Nov 17, 2023, 12:04 PM
Nov 2023

don't have a huge problem with Hamas going on murderous rampages here in the US.
Is that the point I was supposed to get from this?

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