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Maraya1969

(22,335 posts)
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:21 AM Nov 2023

I am so sick of clicking on a hometown newspaper and hitting a paywall. At some point

they are all going to paywalled. Do they think everyone is going to pay for their little site, (like every hometown newspaper)? I'd love if someone set up a site that lists all the pay sites and there were some extension that indicated them when you do a search. I don't mind the ads, (well I do but I realize everyone wants to make money) I hate the sites that are filled with them and you spend your time clicking off videos and looking at information that is on so far covered that you can only see 2 inches at a time.

And I realize that DU is a paysite but the times that my payment lapsed I don't remember things popping up all over. I just remember ads around the edges.

It just seems as if everyone is so damn greedy now. And I'm sure a lot of people cannot afford all these pay sites. I've been to charity sites, like charity navigator and they ask for donations and that is fine and I've donated.

Rant over.

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I am so sick of clicking on a hometown newspaper and hitting a paywall. At some point (Original Post) Maraya1969 Nov 2023 OP
When we were kids who could ever dream we would Emile Nov 2023 #1
Or paying for water? no_hypocrisy Nov 2023 #5
Or Conjuay Nov 2023 #16
It is only going to get worse... Ignoring dying print newspapers for the moment, but news in hlthe2b Nov 2023 #2
Oh, did they deliver a free daily newspaper to your house back in the day? WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2023 #3
No, but I also don't just use one source for information on the web. I think they pay to Maraya1969 Nov 2023 #6
I use an adblocker cyclonefence Nov 2023 #4
That's a good idea. I love it when people post a link as a "gift" I would put some money in Maraya1969 Nov 2023 #7
Hmmm, paying your reporters and editors is "greedy"..... brooklynite Nov 2023 #8
They can do that with ads. I click off my ad blocker for these sites. There are so many Maraya1969 Nov 2023 #9
Ad revenue is directly dependent on the number of subscriptions. former9thward Nov 2023 #24
Google analytics will tell you how many people came into your site. They don't have to pay Maraya1969 Nov 2023 #25
Advertisers don't care about how many clicks were on a site. former9thward Nov 2023 #30
Clicks are literally how digital advertising is measured, simply speaking John Shaft Nov 2023 #36
Online ad rates are FAR less than what newspapers and magazines could rake in back in the day and why wouldn't they be? Midwestern Democrat Nov 2023 #53
Just use archive RainWalker Nov 2023 #10
Yea, I should always just use it. Thanks Maraya1969 Nov 2023 #12
You're quite welcome RainWalker Nov 2023 #14
Won't let me get past the captcha dwayneb Nov 2023 #41
That sounds like a firewall block RainWalker Nov 2023 #45
Check with the library. Hope22 Nov 2023 #11
Yes, support your local library. DBoon Nov 2023 #33
Good point I always forget this dwayneb Nov 2023 #43
I think you will get access over the internet! Hope22 Nov 2023 #52
Just picked my LA Times off the driveway. Basic LA Nov 2023 #13
Local metro paper here is pretty useless dwayneb Nov 2023 #44
Your problem will resolve itself. Voltaire2 Nov 2023 #15
Contributing to the digital divide. usonian Nov 2023 #17
Oh that's right! I'm going to renew my NYT subscription. Thanks for that meme Maraya1969 Nov 2023 #40
Righteous rant BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #18
Like I said upthread. They can use advertising like most of them did a few years ago. Maraya1969 Nov 2023 #42
Advertising doesn't pay all of the freight. BannonsLiver Nov 2023 #57
a free story or 2 is a great way to get ppl to subscribe. mopinko Nov 2023 #19
So we now have armchair publishers who apparently know how to make money in the news business... brooklynite Nov 2023 #20
If only little newspapers would join one paywall pool mainer Nov 2023 #21
Well, I'd pay rather handsomely just to get a real newspaper back Arthur_Frain Nov 2023 #22
If they could keep the business open by selling newspapers, they would. Ferrets are Cool Nov 2023 #32
Many home town newspapers have been taken over by corporate powers tiredtoo Nov 2023 #23
I'm OK with local journalists wanting to get paid. Silent Type Nov 2023 #26
Just checked and there are over 19,000 cities in the US. I don't mind paying for some Maraya1969 Nov 2023 #47
My problem is when I realistically will only read one or two articles a month with each paper. BlueCheeseAgain Nov 2023 #27
That's my issue too. How many times am I going to read the Cincinnati news? But they had one Maraya1969 Nov 2023 #28
As someone else mentioned, use archive.ph for an occasional single article EOM LauraInLA Nov 2023 #35
The problem with subscriptions for me is I sign up, and not just for newspapers and then Maraya1969 Nov 2023 #48
In defense of the news sites, they operate a business tulipsandroses Nov 2023 #29
How else do they pay their employees? Ferrets are Cool Nov 2023 #31
I didn't know that. Some sites are like a carnival with all the ads popping up. And then Maraya1969 Nov 2023 #49
LOCAL NEWSPAPERS ARE DYING. Do you have a business model that works? themaguffin Nov 2023 #34
This! I am happy to pay for my local subscription redqueen Nov 2023 #46
How much is a subscription? Army Brat Nov 2023 #37
Local newspapers are going the way of the rotary phone Kaleva Nov 2023 #38
Pretty soon you'll have to pay for weather information dalton99a Nov 2023 #39
I pay for Youtube Premium because I could not stand the ads. If you don't click on Maraya1969 Nov 2023 #50
I did the same with YT premium because I go there A LOT and since doing so, Ferrets are Cool Nov 2023 #51
internet providers and content providers are doing that now. yt started doing the adblocker thing several AllaN01Bear Nov 2023 #54
It May Be that Advertising Doesn't Work for Small Papers qwlauren35 Nov 2023 #55
The problem is, how many $30 should I pay for in a month? I have paid for a lot of things Maraya1969 Nov 2023 #56
CNN is still free. qwlauren35 Nov 2023 #58

hlthe2b

(101,231 posts)
2. It is only going to get worse... Ignoring dying print newspapers for the moment, but news in
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:32 AM
Nov 2023

general is increasingly eschewed by younger generations-- unless it appears on social media streams. Bye bye, network and cable newscasts; bye bye local news; and the worst, bye bye any source of local reporting except for the gossip-driven "Nextdoor" and similar neighborhood websites/forums.

I would strongly support a model (similar to public radio and public television) where Federal tax $$ could help fund local news across the country--whether it be newspapers & their associated digital sites--or local news on tv/radio. By that I mean supplement-- not totally fund. Then the news groups could get together (yeah, right, but I can dream) to negotiate a fair means to disperse a single subscription rate per household the bulk of which would go to local news, but a percentage dispersed throughout the news organizations, thereby allowing for nationwide access. I'd gladly pay $100 or $200 a year for that, knowing that I'd also be making at least local television news available for all who can't subscribe and for the ability to read news from any locale, news site, or newspaper in the country sans any restrictions.

It won't happen in this political climate, but I don't know how else we are going to save independent (and especially local) news.

Maraya1969

(22,335 posts)
6. No, but I also don't just use one source for information on the web. I think they pay to
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:55 AM
Nov 2023

move up in the search engines. If you are looking for a certain item you want to buy from, say Home Depot you have to scroll past a bunch of other pay for sites. I have made the mistake of clicking on the wrong site because it was first on the list., I was trying to change my air ticket. The company I got through to looked like they were American airlines but they were a travel agent and I ended up paying and extra $2,000 to change my ticket one day.

I got my bank to take that off and I found the real American airlines and they charged nothing.

cyclonefence

(4,472 posts)
4. I use an adblocker
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:45 AM
Nov 2023

and when a site asks me to turn it off, I exit.

I am happy to pay for any newspaper site, but it's annoying to have to go through this shit over and over. I wish there were a system whereby you could automatically be charged (Paypal or something) for each visit to any newspaper or magazine site. I do not want a subscription beyond that single use--I subscribe to a newspaper and magazines enough--and I don't want to go through the rigamarole of subscribing (free trial!) and then unsubbing when I've read what I want to.

I have suggested (to scorn from other DUers) that we as individuals each buy a subscription to WaPo and the NYT--maybe ten of us or more--and share a pw, so that those of us who don't like to read a newspaper online aren't saddled with a year's subscription we don't really use. In my case, it truly isn't spending the money; it's wasting the money for a subscription just for myself. And I do want to support print media--my father worked for newspapers all his life.

I don't know what the solution otherwise might be. I do want to follow stories cited in posts here but usually don't if there's a paywall. I wish it were otherwise.

Maraya1969

(22,335 posts)
7. That's a good idea. I love it when people post a link as a "gift" I would put some money in
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 08:58 AM
Nov 2023

so everyone could access Washington Post and NYT

brooklynite

(93,099 posts)
8. Hmmm, paying your reporters and editors is "greedy".....
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 09:01 AM
Nov 2023

Care to name a “hometown” newspaper that’s raking in profits?

Maraya1969

(22,335 posts)
9. They can do that with ads. I click off my ad blocker for these sites. There are so many
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 09:05 AM
Nov 2023

small news sites that it would be rediculous and tactically impossible to pay for all of them.

EDIT - I often donate to sites. But them taking money every single month and me having to remember all of them is a hard "no"

former9thward

(31,424 posts)
24. Ad revenue is directly dependent on the number of subscriptions.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 12:40 PM
Nov 2023

No advertiser is going to advertise in a local media if there are no subscriptions. So they can't fund themselves off ad revenue alone.

Maraya1969

(22,335 posts)
25. Google analytics will tell you how many people came into your site. They don't have to pay
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 12:52 PM
Nov 2023

I learned about this when I sold on Etsy

former9thward

(31,424 posts)
30. Advertisers don't care about how many clicks were on a site.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 01:38 PM
Nov 2023

They want to see commitment. That way they know their ads are being seen. You are telling the ocean tides they do not need to come in.

John Shaft

(206 posts)
36. Clicks are literally how digital advertising is measured, simply speaking
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 03:19 PM
Nov 2023

There are other issues that come into play, though.

53. Online ad rates are FAR less than what newspapers and magazines could rake in back in the day and why wouldn't they be?
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:43 AM
Nov 2023

Glossy full page cigarette ad in "Newsweek" in 1984 vs some online popup ad in Slate in 2023 - there's not a question which ad was more eye catching and effective (and thus much more expensive).

dwayneb

(764 posts)
41. Won't let me get past the captcha
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:12 AM
Nov 2023

Even when successfully completing it several times, just circles back.

dwayneb

(764 posts)
43. Good point I always forget this
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:14 AM
Nov 2023

Just makes sure you wash your hands afterwards and don't touch your face.

Basic LA

(1,389 posts)
13. Just picked my LA Times off the driveway.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 09:17 AM
Nov 2023

Been doing that for 50 years and never expected it to be free. I even tip the delivery guy every Christmas. Seems normal to pay for an actual paper, but online feels kind of virtual, so I understand what you mean.

dwayneb

(764 posts)
44. Local metro paper here is pretty useless
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:16 AM
Nov 2023

My elderly MIL loves to read it, but delivery is sporadic at best. If you complain you get get a $.25 discount for each one they miss lol.

usonian

(9,065 posts)
17. Contributing to the digital divide.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 11:43 AM
Nov 2023

When all verifiable information is paywalled, only lies will be free.

BannonsLiver

(16,036 posts)
18. Righteous rant
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 11:45 AM
Nov 2023

Now, back to reality. How do you expect the people that put the news together, attend the city council meetings and write about them and so on to get paid? There’s no journalism fairy that leaves news in the night. Do you expect them to work for free as a service to you?

Maraya1969

(22,335 posts)
42. Like I said upthread. They can use advertising like most of them did a few years ago.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:12 AM
Nov 2023

The last newspaper that required a subscription was Cincinnati Times, (Not sure of the name but it was Cincinnati). I cannot imagine subscribing to every small city newspaper in this country.

I'm just going to use the site that photocopies all of them

BannonsLiver

(16,036 posts)
57. Advertising doesn't pay all of the freight.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 12:31 PM
Nov 2023

You don’t know what you’re talking about. Basically what you want is other people’s labor for free because you place no value on that labor.

mopinko

(69,518 posts)
19. a free story or 2 is a great way to get ppl to subscribe.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 11:55 AM
Nov 2023

i finally broke down and subscribed to wapo cuz i kept hitting the paywall. same for esquire, cuz i need my charlie pierce. ntyt, i dont even bother to click, and they’ll never get a dime from me. same for chgo trib.
b like costco guys, give us some free samples.

mainer

(11,995 posts)
21. If only little newspapers would join one paywall pool
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 11:59 AM
Nov 2023

I’d be happy to subscribe to a nationwide small-newspaper pool if it meant I could get access to all. Then the newspapers could be paid out of that pool, based on # of site views.

Arthur_Frain

(1,696 posts)
22. Well, I'd pay rather handsomely just to get a real newspaper back
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 12:09 PM
Nov 2023

If they’d employ local reporters and journalists. If they’d publish a complete sized newspaper where every story terminates in the paper, not just a paragraph tease them “for more info, logon to our website”. But we’re not going back to that model.

I view the death of my local newspaper as a lesson that everything free comes with a price. We were a much more tightly knit community back then, or at least it felt that way.

tiredtoo

(2,949 posts)
23. Many home town newspapers have been taken over by corporate powers
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 12:19 PM
Nov 2023

Actually they are not really hometown newspapers any more. This is by design to have more control over the press. However the local newspapers are near extinction if your paper is really still local, you may want to pay to get it. We need factual news now more than ever.

Maraya1969

(22,335 posts)
47. Just checked and there are over 19,000 cities in the US. I don't mind paying for some
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:19 AM
Nov 2023

but it is not even feasible to pay for them all.

BlueCheeseAgain

(1,654 posts)
27. My problem is when I realistically will only read one or two articles a month with each paper.
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 01:04 PM
Nov 2023

I'd gladly pay per article, or maybe for a monthly subscription to a large collection of news sources (with a limit on how many articles I can read). I wonder if there are any such consortiums forming, or if there are economic or legal reasons it can't be done.

Maraya1969

(22,335 posts)
28. That's my issue too. How many times am I going to read the Cincinnati news? But they had one
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 01:14 PM
Nov 2023

article I wanted. So I can't read that unless I pay for a years subscription! Or a monthly one that I have to remember to cancel after a month

Maraya1969

(22,335 posts)
48. The problem with subscriptions for me is I sign up, and not just for newspapers and then
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:21 AM
Nov 2023

I forget who and where I signed up to. I saw there is a download now that will look around and find out all your subscriptions.

tulipsandroses

(4,987 posts)
29. In defense of the news sites, they operate a business
Wed Nov 15, 2023, 01:29 PM
Nov 2023

I don’t think it’s a matter of greed. Just business. Businesses cannot survive without cash flow or profit. I think the problem is that we have been living under the false notion that the internet is free. And sure, lots of businesses made their content free initially. But no business can withstand giving away their product for free long term. It costs money to pay writers, editors, marketing, and many other things we the consumer take for granted. My suggestion is pick 1 or 2 sites that you like and subscribe to those sites only.

See the big tech companies had us fooled for a long time. There is and never was free internet. They have made huge profits giving us “free internet”

Maraya1969

(22,335 posts)
49. I didn't know that. Some sites are like a carnival with all the ads popping up. And then
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:23 AM
Nov 2023

you can only read the bottom 2 inches because they have something covering everything else.

I think I'm just going to subscribe to a couple, (like Wapo) and then quit bitching about it

redqueen

(114,853 posts)
46. This! I am happy to pay for my local subscription
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:17 AM
Nov 2023

because we need them!

Imagine how much worse things could be with AI writing all the articles and the money men directing the AI

Kaleva

(36,015 posts)
38. Local newspapers are going the way of the rotary phone
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:33 AM
Nov 2023

Obsolete

I've been to township meeting where residents complained about not knowing about certain things. The board tells them that the notices were published in the local newspaper and the residents response saying that no one reads the papers.

dalton99a

(80,412 posts)
39. Pretty soon you'll have to pay for weather information
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 08:41 AM
Nov 2023

or watch a bunch of crap first

FWIW YouTube is going that route with just about every fucking video clip


Maraya1969

(22,335 posts)
50. I pay for Youtube Premium because I could not stand the ads. If you don't click on
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:25 AM
Nov 2023

that button that comes up after about a minute the ads are as long as QVC.

Ferrets are Cool

(20,960 posts)
51. I did the same with YT premium because I go there A LOT and since doing so,
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:27 AM
Nov 2023

I've gotten my moneys worth x 100.

AllaN01Bear

(16,480 posts)
54. internet providers and content providers are doing that now. yt started doing the adblocker thing several
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 09:54 AM
Nov 2023

months ago and is charging $10.00 to unblock the adds . i came from the era where there endless , mind numbing ads on the tv and the newspapers and magazines. my sis sez shed like to get paid she was a stunt woman in the biz rezids. nonsensical. the creators on yt were getting paid long before this .only 5% creators are millinares on yt. careful , or you yet may kill the goose which layed the golden egg.

qwlauren35

(5,962 posts)
55. It May Be that Advertising Doesn't Work for Small Papers
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 10:45 AM
Nov 2023

It's possible that the readership of small papers does not interest advertisers. I don't think it's because papers are trying to net big profits. I think it's because they are trying to stay afloat.

Keep in mind that when you bought the paper at a newsstand, it was not free. Now that "paper" newspapers are virtually gone, there is a missing money source and it has to be compensated for.

If you were buying a paper every day for $1, then it should be okay to pay $30/month. If they are only charging $15/month, you're getting a bargain.

Please do the math before you complain.

Maraya1969

(22,335 posts)
56. The problem is, how many $30 should I pay for in a month? I have paid for a lot of things
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 10:56 AM
Nov 2023

And I have donated to several sites that don't have subscriptions, (like Charity Navigator, Wikipedia etc.) Sites that I use a lot and that I feel like I should support them. But if there is one thing that I want to find out and I have to pay for a year's subscription..... I'm not going to do that. I am not a cheap person.

I'm just going to try and use the way back site and subscribe to WAPO.

qwlauren35

(5,962 posts)
58. CNN is still free.
Thu Nov 16, 2023, 03:12 PM
Nov 2023

I think it makes sense to do one big one and one local one, which is what you would be doing in the paper age.

When I grew up, we did Washington Post and Newsweek, and that was it.

I have found that WaPo and NYT and WSJ all have, at least for intro, very reasonable prices, AND they send me a brief in my e-mail daily.

I also have some more expensive ones - Atlantic and Economist. I find their coverage more fact-based, but also aligned with my views.

My sister got me a subscription for Baltimore Banner, and I used to have Baltimore Sun. But local news can be very depressing. Lots of crime, arrests, bad schools, etc. So it's rare that I actually look at it. If it was my choice, I probably wouldn't subscribe.

I think you have to decide how you're going to get your news and then just stick with it. Block out the rest. I'm sure it's annoying that DU members post something and you can't read it without paying. But it's usually just a different spin on what's being covered on CNN. Which is still free.

It's kind of like when I see ads for shows that are on HBO. I don't subscribe. So I don't get to see them... and I accept that. It never occurred to me to complain that HBO was so expensive. I have Prime, I have Netflix, I have Disney/Marvel/StarWars, I have Paramount Plus, BritBox and BETPlus. But no HBO. You pick your battles.

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