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Rep. Rashida Tlaib is a hero to this Holocaust survivor (Original Post) Uncle Joe Nov 2023 OP
DURec leftstreet Nov 2023 #1
I hope the voices for peace can drown out the ones pushing war. redqueen Nov 2023 #2
Thank you for posting this. people Nov 2023 #3
Must watch malaise Nov 2023 #4
She's extraordinary. Watched this morning on DN on Free Speech TV. Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #5
She isn't to this Holocaust survivor. Mosby Nov 2023 #6
The primary difference that I can tell from your short clip and the OP Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #7
This is terribly sad and my heart breaks for her suffering. And if the translation is accurate she Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #9
And Jesse Helms got a few black votes Polybius Nov 2023 #8
How do you know that she "supports bigotry against her own kind?" Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #10
If Tlaib is her hero SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #11
Tlaib is calling for a ceasefire, peace and freedom for the Palestinians. Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #12
Yea she is SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #13
That phrase can easily mean different things to different people. Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #14
It's meant the same thing SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #16
I don't believe the world is that simple Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #18
That is quite an article, thank you for sharing RainWalker Nov 2023 #19
Feel free SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #21
I do feel free, Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #22
I agree the Palestinians SickOfTheOnePct Nov 2023 #23
Whoa.. Amazing article. Thank you for that Uncle Joe, you are so right. The world isn't that simple. Autumn Nov 2023 #33
It does NOT. PCIntern Nov 2023 #24
It is such crap this revisionist bullshit what "from the river to the sea" really means. Prior to the JohnSJ Nov 2023 #26
Do they think we are stupid? tritsofme Nov 2023 #27
They know exactly what it means. Gee, what river could they be talking about, and what sea could JohnSJ Nov 2023 #30
She supports Tlaib Polybius Nov 2023 #20
Democracy Now is a left wing news outlet who go out of their way to find interviews against JohnSJ Nov 2023 #29
Democracy Now is Independently funded by viewers like you. n/t Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #31
Independent has nothing to do with them having a left wing bias. It simply means JohnSJ Nov 2023 #34
Everything is relative, left/right is bullshit. Give me the facts instead of commercials. n/t Uncle Joe Nov 2023 #35
I won't watch Democracy Now because of their bullshit during the Obama administration and betsuni Nov 2023 #32
Their interviews and opinions without a doubt are. Their sympathetic interviews with JohnSJ Nov 2023 #37
So, you are literally calling a Jewish Holocaust survivor antisemitic obamanut2012 Nov 2023 #36
Norman Finkelstein whose parents were Jewish Holocaust survivor is an example. I am not JohnSJ Nov 2023 #38
This woman has been a human rights Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #39
Did you even read my post, because if you did I explicitly said I was NOT referring to the JohnSJ Nov 2023 #40
Well I dont want to upset you so much. So apology to you. Glad to know it wasn't THIS survivor. Nanjeanne Nov 2023 #41
Thank-you. I most likely misinterpreted your post. JohnSJ Nov 2023 #42
Her story of survival is so sad radicalleft Nov 2023 #15
K&R MustLoveBeagles Nov 2023 #17
... betsuni Nov 2023 #25
Thank You For Posting This JackCoop Nov 2023 #28
Thank you for posting this. ificandream Nov 2023 #43

people

(641 posts)
3. Thank you for posting this.
Wed Nov 8, 2023, 01:34 PM
Nov 2023

There will never be any peace there unless Israel is willing to make compromises with the Palestinians. Revenge bombing is only going to increase the hatred and dehumanization on all sides. This is a terrible ongoing tragedy. The holocaust survivor in the video you posted has seen it all.

Uncle Joe

(58,916 posts)
7. The primary difference that I can tell from your short clip and the OP
Wed Nov 8, 2023, 08:26 PM
Nov 2023

The lady in the OP recognizes "never again" to be a universal statement, she can empathize with the Palestinians being bombed because of her childhood experience being bombed with white phosphorous during the Holocaust by the Allies and that Gaza 40+%
of the population are children in a densely populated area being bombed.

The lady in your clip is inwardly focused at her own grief and the loss of her son, she is in deep pain and this is perfectly understandable.





Nanjeanne

(5,058 posts)
9. This is terribly sad and my heart breaks for her suffering. And if the translation is accurate she
Wed Nov 8, 2023, 10:53 PM
Nov 2023

says nothing about Netanyahu or killing all Palestinians or anything about the current situation in Gaza. She shares her pain about the horrific attack and losing her son. Hamas did that horrible act. No argument there. But her words are not the words of the Tweeter who, as the Israeli Government Spokesperson, is posting her short video snippet.

We can and should listen to her and feel her pain. I can do that and also want a ceasefire and the end to this mass killing of civilians — the children of Israel and Palestine deserve our compassion and our guidance. We need to give them peace.

Polybius

(15,723 posts)
8. And Jesse Helms got a few black votes
Wed Nov 8, 2023, 10:33 PM
Nov 2023

There will always be some from any group that supports bigotry against their own kind.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
11. If Tlaib is her hero
Wed Nov 8, 2023, 11:02 PM
Nov 2023

Then she has chosen for a hero someone who defends the use of a phrase that calls for the eradication of the state of Israel.

I would consider that bigotry against Jews, but YMMV.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
13. Yea she is
Wed Nov 8, 2023, 11:08 PM
Nov 2023

That doesn’t negate the fact that she has defended the use of “From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free”.

That’s a clarion call for the destruction of Israel.

So of course she wants a ceasefire, because a ceasefire would benefit Hamas, whose mantra she is defending.

Uncle Joe

(58,916 posts)
14. That phrase can easily mean different things to different people.
Wed Nov 8, 2023, 11:11 PM
Nov 2023

A land connection from the West Bank to the Gaza Strip in a united and free Palestine is from the river to the sea, that doesn't mean the elimination of Israel.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
16. It's meant the same thing
Wed Nov 8, 2023, 11:36 PM
Nov 2023

For 75 years…the meaning doesn’t change just because people want it to, namely people who are using it and defending it. Then being called out for supporting genocide against Jews.

Uncle Joe

(58,916 posts)
22. I do feel free,
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 12:43 AM
Nov 2023

especially in comparison to the Palestinians and the Israelis trapped in their Hatfield and McCoy, Groundhog Day circle of hell forever.

I believe the Palestinians have long deserved a free and democratic Palestine, the Gazans have been living in the world's largest outdoor prison and almost 50% of them are children.

The greatest security Israel could ever have is a free, independent and democratic Palestine.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
23. I agree the Palestinians
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 06:55 AM
Nov 2023

Need their own state. But I can do that without calling for the destruction of Israel…Tlaib obviously can’t.

Autumn

(45,147 posts)
33. Whoa.. Amazing article. Thank you for that Uncle Joe, you are so right. The world isn't that simple.
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 09:35 AM
Nov 2023

PCIntern

(25,853 posts)
24. It does NOT.
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 07:26 AM
Nov 2023

This BS needs to stop. It’d be like saying a certain word beginning with “n” when used in a sentence doesn’t mean what you think it means. Yes it does. This is revisionist linguistics and is puerile and malicious in its intent.

JohnSJ

(92,748 posts)
26. It is such crap this revisionist bullshit what "from the river to the sea" really means. Prior to the
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 07:46 AM
Nov 2023

1967 war Nassar was throwing that slogan out, "we will push Israel to the sea", and there was no doubt what he meant as he massed troops around Israel along with other Arab countries with the very real intent to destroy Israel.

Anyone who uses that phrase knows exactly the history of it, and what it means.

If they didn't mean the destruction of Israel, they wouldn't use that phrase, they would have called for a two-state solution with an independent Palestinian state. The fact that they didn't, speaks for itself.



tritsofme

(17,575 posts)
27. Do they think we are stupid?
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 07:50 AM
Nov 2023

I really don’t get it. It’s hard to believe they don’t know exactly what they are saying.

JohnSJ

(92,748 posts)
30. They know exactly what it means. Gee, what river could they be talking about, and what sea could
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 08:35 AM
Nov 2023

they be referring to?

I am sure some uninformed people unaware of the geography of the area will believe their crap, "what it doesn't mean"

Polybius

(15,723 posts)
20. She supports Tlaib
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 12:16 AM
Nov 2023

That's enough evidence. Every group has self-haters, although I give this woman a pass because of her age. She may not know what she's saying.

JohnSJ

(92,748 posts)
29. Democracy Now is a left wing news outlet who go out of their way to find interviews against
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 08:22 AM
Nov 2023

Israel. That is not to say that Netanyahu doesn't deserve criticism, and to be voted out, but even before Netanyahu their anti-Israel bias was there.

Their anti-Hillary coverage, along with anti-Hillary interviews I have no doubt influenced a good number of their progressive viewers not to vote for Hillary in 2016.



JohnSJ

(92,748 posts)
34. Independent has nothing to do with them having a left wing bias. It simply means
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 10:53 AM
Nov 2023

they are independently funded by viewers.

If you don’t believe Democracy Now has a left wing bias, I suggest you may have a bias yourself



betsuni

(26,234 posts)
32. I won't watch Democracy Now because of their bullshit during the Obama administration and
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 09:33 AM
Nov 2023

lies about Hillary Clinton, not news, propaganda. Funded by "grassroots" idiots who hate Democrats, as if that's even true. Democracy Now hates Democrats because they're beholden to their "grassroots" funders who hate Democrats. It's capitalism, status quo, establishment, etc.

JohnSJ

(92,748 posts)
37. Their interviews and opinions without a doubt are. Their sympathetic interviews with
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 11:14 AM
Nov 2023

The likes of Glenn Greenwald, Julian Assange, Jill Stein, etc. pushed their babble with very little interview pushback

obamanut2012

(26,327 posts)
36. So, you are literally calling a Jewish Holocaust survivor antisemitic
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 11:04 AM
Nov 2023

Good grief. That is the only takeaway from your saying, "...supports bigotry against their own kind."

JohnSJ

(92,748 posts)
38. Norman Finkelstein whose parents were Jewish Holocaust survivor is an example. I am not
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 12:06 PM
Nov 2023

saying the same thing regarding the Jewish Holocaust survivor being profiled here, but pointing out that just being part of a demographic group does not exempt individuals within that group from being anti that group.


Nanjeanne

(5,058 posts)
39. This woman has been a human rights
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 12:22 PM
Nov 2023

activist all her life. She has written numerous books and fought for civil rights. She is being true to her self and her decades long fight for humanity. To suggest she is anti “her group” is disgraceful. You don’t have to agree with her points to respect her desire for peace.

JohnSJ

(92,748 posts)
40. Did you even read my post, because if you did I explicitly said I was NOT referring to the
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 01:34 PM
Nov 2023

Holocaust Survivor being profiled here, and for you to suggest I did is insulting and false

Nanjeanne

(5,058 posts)
41. Well I dont want to upset you so much. So apology to you. Glad to know it wasn't THIS survivor.
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 02:04 PM
Nov 2023

Just others possibly.

JohnSJ

(92,748 posts)
42. Thank-you. I most likely misinterpreted your post.
Thu Nov 9, 2023, 02:28 PM
Nov 2023

I would not disparage anyone’s personal tragedies

radicalleft

(482 posts)
15. Her story of survival is so sad
Wed Nov 8, 2023, 11:25 PM
Nov 2023

and at the same time so inspirational. To have to witness those attrocities and carry that kind of trauma, yet dedicate her life to peace is amazing! She is a treasure!

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