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WarGamer

(11,654 posts)
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 06:18 PM Nov 2023

NOT a good look, Bibi...

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/israel-leans-into-world-war-ii-rhetoric-to-justify-gaza-war/ar-AA1jbKvG

I hope this warmonger cretin is gone soon... the voters should get rid of him. His responsibility that the Intel went unheeded for 10/7.




“In 1944, the Royal Air Force bombed the Gestapo headquarters in Copenhagen. It’s a perfectly legitimate target. But the British pilots missed and instead of the Gestapo headquarters, they hit a children’s hospital nearby. And I think 84 children were burned to death,” he said. “That is not a war crime. That is not something you blame Britain for doing. That was a legitimate act of war with tragic consequences that accompany such legitimate actions.”
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NOT a good look, Bibi... (Original Post) WarGamer Nov 2023 OP
Is that admitting they hit the hospital? krawhitham Nov 2023 #1
The hospital or the refugee camp... the first time or second time... WarGamer Nov 2023 #2
Warmonger is correct. The WWll bombing was an untentional miss by the RAF... brush Nov 2023 #3
I guess... in my mind WarGamer Nov 2023 #5
You've No Idea, Sir, Whether Or Not Bombs Are Dropped On The Off Chance Of Hitting Some Hamas Target The Magistrate Nov 2023 #6
Several DUers mentioned that Israel has nukes. PufPuf23 Nov 2023 #7
Yes they do...they have their own M.A.D. policy. revmclaren Nov 2023 #8
It has been what's keeping countries in the region revmclaren Nov 2023 #9
Are you saying that the IDF knew for sure that every building... brush Nov 2023 #15
I Say, Sir, That I Do Not Know The Magistrate Nov 2023 #18
About what I thought, but the professional military force know as the IDF... brush Nov 2023 #19
Again, Sir, You State A View, Not A Fact The Magistrate Nov 2023 #21
It's a fact that the refugee camp was hit by an IDG air strike... brush Nov 2023 #22
That Bombs Were Dropped There Is A Fact The Magistrate Nov 2023 #23
Bombing a refugee camp is nothing but intent. Pls don't even try to argue with that. brush Nov 2023 #24
And With That Chuckle, Sir... The Magistrate Nov 2023 #25
Is he comparing the precision bombs and artillery of today to the vague bombs and artillery of 1944? TheBlackAdder Nov 2023 #13
Well, it was a good deal tougher for the British flyers to accurately bomb the Gestapo HQ. The IDF has weapons that can brewens Nov 2023 #4
When the enemy is intentionally building HQ's UNDER civilian high rises and hospitals NickB79 Nov 2023 #10
Not kill over 3000 children because you will have womanofthehills Nov 2023 #11
That wasn't the question asked NickB79 Nov 2023 #12
You have to device how many babies it is worth. David__77 Nov 2023 #16
They've tried to oust his sorry ass more than once Warpy Nov 2023 #14
I dunno...Bibi is actually being fairly subtle and decent here Prairie Gates Nov 2023 #17
He is an evil POS. Sky Jewels Nov 2023 #20

brush

(52,827 posts)
3. Warmonger is correct. The WWll bombing was an untentional miss by the RAF...
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 06:25 PM
Nov 2023

while the bombing of the Palestinian refugee camp was intentional. And then there are the bombings of civilian housing at the chance Hamas has operations in them.

What kind of thinking is this?

WarGamer

(11,654 posts)
5. I guess... in my mind
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 06:28 PM
Nov 2023

There's a team of guys in 1943 or whatever who say... there's a 70% chance we hit the target and a 40% chance a nearby hospital is hit.

And SOMEONE says, "nah, bomb the ball bearing factory tonight instead"

The Magistrate

(95,165 posts)
6. You've No Idea, Sir, Whether Or Not Bombs Are Dropped On The Off Chance Of Hitting Some Hamas Target
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 06:36 PM
Nov 2023

Predisposition is a poor guide to conclusions, and cannot often stand up to reasoned consideration.

revmclaren

(2,484 posts)
9. It has been what's keeping countries in the region
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 07:17 PM
Nov 2023

from a full out attack on Israel.

Thus the use of terrorists to do their dirty work and have some deniability that they were not involved.

brush

(52,827 posts)
15. Are you saying that the IDF knew for sure that every building...
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 09:31 PM
Nov 2023

they obliterated housed Hamas operations? I would say you have no idea of that.

The Magistrate

(95,165 posts)
18. I Say, Sir, That I Do Not Know
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 09:56 PM
Nov 2023

Nor do I know whether I would agree with the judgement some strike could gain sufficient military advantage to outweigh the risk it put non-combatants to, if I had some grasp of the factors that went into the decision.

My predisposition is the view that professional military forces don't scatter bombs about like grass seed, but try to strike specific targets, whose location and character they at least are convinced they know, and further, that they try and use no more ordinance than they conceive necessary to neutralize targets.

As to a soldiery's conduct, I do not expect sainthood, but that acceptance of emotional heat and blood-lust is not license for depravity.

brush

(52,827 posts)
19. About what I thought, but the professional military force know as the IDF...
Thu Nov 2, 2023, 01:10 AM
Nov 2023

did scatter bombs about like grass seed ON THE REFUGEE CAMP NORTH OF GAZA CITY...a camp that they knew was full of civilian refugees.

The Magistrate

(95,165 posts)
21. Again, Sir, You State A View, Not A Fact
Thu Nov 2, 2023, 01:37 AM
Nov 2023

I'm not going to repeat the things you cannot state that as a fact without knowing. All you have really communicated is what character you ascribe to one of the armed forces engaged in this war: you consider that body fired by blood-lust and revenge to an outrageous heat. To no one's amazement, that side is one of whose government you certainly, and of whose existence you may possibly, disapprove of.


"No law which conflicts with the ability of a force in the field to sustain itself is likely to be heeded."

brush

(52,827 posts)
22. It's a fact that the refugee camp was hit by an IDG air strike...
Thu Nov 2, 2023, 01:42 AM
Nov 2023

so what are you going on about? Israel has a right to defend itself, but striking rufugee camps...?

The Magistrate

(95,165 posts)
23. That Bombs Were Dropped There Is A Fact
Thu Nov 2, 2023, 01:55 AM
Nov 2023

That they were scattered like grass-seed, with the aim of, or at the least depraved indifference to, killing non-combatants is not a fact. It is your view. You interpret the bare fact we can agree on in light of a theory of why this war is going on, and of the character and aims of the combatants. At bottom, it's a sort of 'both sides' exercise: the behavior of one's opponent must be at least as bad, if not worse, than one's own, or how can one be sure he's on the side of the angels?


"I prefer the wicked to the foolish. The wicked sometimes rest.".



brush

(52,827 posts)
24. Bombing a refugee camp is nothing but intent. Pls don't even try to argue with that.
Thu Nov 2, 2023, 01:59 AM
Nov 2023

When is retaliation enough? A refugee camp? My God.

TheBlackAdder

(27,928 posts)
13. Is he comparing the precision bombs and artillery of today to the vague bombs and artillery of 1944?
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 08:19 PM
Nov 2023

brewens

(13,190 posts)
4. Well, it was a good deal tougher for the British flyers to accurately bomb the Gestapo HQ. The IDF has weapons that can
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 06:26 PM
Nov 2023

be as accurate as they need them to be or want them to be.

NickB79

(18,980 posts)
10. When the enemy is intentionally building HQ's UNDER civilian high rises and hospitals
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 07:47 PM
Nov 2023

What do you expect an extremely accurate weapon system to do, exactly?

NickB79

(18,980 posts)
12. That wasn't the question asked
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 07:59 PM
Nov 2023

The question was, what good does an extremely accurate weapon system do when the other side is using civilians as human shields?

The other side that has said it wants to repeat Oct 7 over and over and over again, until Israel is wiped out.

Warpy

(110,507 posts)
14. They've tried to oust his sorry ass more than once
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 09:17 PM
Nov 2023

and he's managed to slither his way back in.

Maybe this time some charges will stick or enough people will realize he's a self aggrandizing incompetent who has made them less safe over the years by overreacting in all the wrong places.

Prairie Gates

(765 posts)
17. I dunno...Bibi is actually being fairly subtle and decent here
Wed Nov 1, 2023, 09:51 PM
Nov 2023

He could have very easily picked a different analogy - the indiscriminate bombing of German cities by the Allies, or, you know, firebombing Tokyo or...well, Hiroshima and Nagasaki. That's been the argument of many on these boards, in fact. "Nobody cried about Dresden, after all!"

Netanyahu, instead, analogizes with a completely unaffiliated set of victims - the Palestinians in Gaza are the Danes, occupied by the evil Nazis but not of them. That's a damn sight better and more decent than some of the arguments DU has been treated to.

In any case, plenty of people did cry about Dresden, not least some US POWs who were tasked with scraping up the burned bits and pieces of its children. You might have heard of one of them, a writer by the name of Vonnegut. Wrote a little book called Slaughterhouse 5 about it; maybe you're familiar.

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