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Wonder Why

(2,697 posts)
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 09:07 AM Oct 2023

Muslims say "No ceasefire in Gaza, no votes for Biden". Not so bright of them.

Reuters today:

No ceasefire in Gaza, no votes, Muslim Americans tell Biden

Really bright. Who are the first immigrants that will suffer if Muslims withhold support for Democrats and Trump wins? Nothing like cutting off your nose to spite your face! Do they really think that Trump or any Repugs will stop Israel from doing what is doing now just to please Muslims? Fat chance of that!

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Muslims say "No ceasefire in Gaza, no votes for Biden". Not so bright of them. (Original Post) Wonder Why Oct 2023 OP
Since President Biden is not also the Prime Minister of Israel, madaboutharry Oct 2023 #1
They can go vote R if they want Calculating Oct 2023 #5
Idea that money is the only motivation for everything. Biden tells Israel he's totally not giving them any more money betsuni Oct 2023 #17
It doesn't work that way. madaboutharry Oct 2023 #18
I know, just explaining what types who keep saying western-hegemony-American-empire-late-stage-capitalism- betsuni Oct 2023 #20
Republicans aren't going to be good for them either Bettie Oct 2023 #2
probably a wash for them. popular_words Oct 2023 #3
Big talk but can they deliver? comradebillyboy Oct 2023 #4
Wasn't there talk of Talib being unpopular in her district? mymomwasright Oct 2023 #6
Why? claudette Oct 2023 #7
Think Reuters forget a ""some"" Freethinker65 Oct 2023 #8
My issue is.. DemocratInPa Oct 2023 #9
How is Biden responsible for any of that? onecaliberal Oct 2023 #13
It won't be American Muslims or American Jews that will determine the outcome of 2024. JohnSJ Oct 2023 #10
The only tool that the people have to get politicians to listen to their needs is their vote. Autumn Oct 2023 #11
So they're going to vote for TFG CanonRay Oct 2023 #12
Why do you inthewind21 Oct 2023 #14
That was my first thought Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Oct 2023 #15
AKA, religious/ethnic tribalism finally kills America. Wingus Dingus Oct 2023 #16
Trump would work to bring about Greater Israel Kennah Oct 2023 #19
Makes perfect sense because . . . peggysue2 Oct 2023 #21

madaboutharry

(40,078 posts)
1. Since President Biden is not also the Prime Minister of Israel,
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 09:14 AM
Oct 2023

exactly how do they think he has the power to achieve that?
Israel may listen to sound advice from the United States, but it isn’t going to allow Hamas to benefit from a ceasefire. And the U.S. isn’t going to ask because frankly the destruction of Hamas benefits the United States.

Calculating

(2,954 posts)
5. They can go vote R if they want
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 09:19 AM
Oct 2023

You know, the guys posting crusader memes and who want to turn Gaza into a parking lot I honestly think the Israelis have shown some decent restraint after what happened. Russia would have just rolled up the artillery and kept firing till there was nothing left of Gaza.

betsuni

(24,891 posts)
17. Idea that money is the only motivation for everything. Biden tells Israel he's totally not giving them any more money
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 01:48 PM
Oct 2023

unless they do whatever he says. Easy, done.

madaboutharry

(40,078 posts)
18. It doesn't work that way.
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 01:57 PM
Oct 2023

Israel is an important ally in the Middle East. The United States benefits greatly from its relationship with Israel. Biden is not going to turn around on a dime and tell Israel "Do what I want." That is not how international relations are conducted.

betsuni

(24,891 posts)
20. I know, just explaining what types who keep saying western-hegemony-American-empire-late-stage-capitalism-
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 02:07 PM
Oct 2023

revolution and think everything's about money believe. The ones who for years and years accused Democrats of being corrupt because they received campaign contributions from people with jobs -- that this meant they "took" money from Wall Street and corporations and had to do whatever they wanted -- the dreaded "corporate Dems." All a big fantasy conspiracy.

Bettie

(15,900 posts)
2. Republicans aren't going to be good for them either
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 09:17 AM
Oct 2023

and Netanyahu isn't likely to listen to anyone. He's chosen his course of action and won't stop.

popular_words

(1 post)
3. probably a wash for them.
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 09:18 AM
Oct 2023

probably a wash for them. Trump would cut off aid to Israel, but he would also impose a travel ban on muslims.


But with his ties to Saudi Arabia via Kushner, who knows what f-ery would go on

comradebillyboy

(10,094 posts)
4. Big talk but can they deliver?
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 09:18 AM
Oct 2023

Muslims make up about 1.3% of the US population. Are they all going to vote for Cornel West, Bobby Jr or Trump? How many people do Tlaib and friends influence?

Freethinker65

(9,844 posts)
8. Think Reuters forget a ""some""
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 09:25 AM
Oct 2023

"Muslim Americans and some Democratic Party activists say they will work to mobilize millions of Muslim voters to withhold donations and votes towards President Joe Biden's 2024 reelection unless he takes immediate steps to secure a Gaza ceasefire."

Should have written "Some Muslim Americans and some Democratic Americans..."

Muslims leaders are currently trying to exert political pressure to save innocent Muslim lives in Gaza. That is to be expected.

DemocratInPa

(249 posts)
9. My issue is..
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 09:25 AM
Oct 2023

In 2019 on the campaign trail Biden promised during his term not get the US involved in any long term wars. This conflict can easily still turn into a long term war within the ME.

I fear a war would be a cripple to Biden's reelection chances. A large majority of voters don't want to US to be involved in a war, in fact a large number don't even want us to be involved in a military conflict.

onecaliberal

(32,212 posts)
13. How is Biden responsible for any of that?
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 10:22 AM
Oct 2023

He is the President of the United States, not Israel. What are recons doing to help the situation?

JohnSJ

(91,595 posts)
10. It won't be American Muslims or American Jews that will determine the outcome of 2024.
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 09:44 AM
Oct 2023

Their populations in America are too small.

It will be the American independent voter that determines 2024.

 

inthewind21

(4,616 posts)
14. Why do you
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 10:28 AM
Oct 2023

find that so shocking? And who said they were going to vote "for" TFG? Forget all the 3rd party and "I'm going to sit this one out" voters? Or, is it, "well that was different?" My how quickly we forget.

Wingus Dingus

(8,049 posts)
16. AKA, religious/ethnic tribalism finally kills America.
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 01:47 PM
Oct 2023

If this is all they care about--a toothless command from Joe Biden to dictate to another country how they must stop defending themselves in order to curry favor with American Muslims--then I guess nothing else about the US matters. Fuck them. Live under Trump and the GOP. Progressives and Democrats (on edit, including Jewish progressives) have always, always stood up for Muslims, warned about Islamaphobia, called out the US for our unnecessary war in Iraq, cautioned about retribution against Muslims whenever we suffered an Islamic terror attack--and this is the result? Biden's not ready to abandon Israel and they're mad? Yep, fuck 'em. We're all fucked then.

peggysue2

(10,748 posts)
21. Makes perfect sense because . . .
Tue Oct 31, 2023, 02:13 PM
Oct 2023

The GOP in general and Trump specifically will treat all Muslims so much better.



And just as an aside: When was Joe Biden elected Israel's Prime Minister? Or is the man who's criticized as a
doddering old man actually the Master of the Universe?

Good to know.

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