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radicalleft

(485 posts)
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 12:15 AM Oct 2023

Hamas is but one iteration of a predictable and foretold resistance.

While the calls to "obliterate" Hamas, (which in reality is nothing more than a radical islamic group who opportunistically seized control of Gaza) are understandable and justified, it does nothing to solve the long term conflicts in this region. Until the basic human rights of the people of "Palestine" are met and a future full of promise is realized, they will cling to the belief that only through armed conflict can they achieve their political aims. The world needs to offer these people hope.

But given the current situation, I cannot see that there is very much hope to be offered. Hamas will be neutralized; but then what? I fear that the next iteration will spring up in the vaccum of effective leadership and the cycle will continue again and again until one of these groups is completey wiped from the earth and they will be but a chapter to be studied by furure historians.

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Hamas is but one iteration of a predictable and foretold resistance. (Original Post) radicalleft Oct 2023 OP
The treatment begets the disease alongside the alleged cure... RockRaven Oct 2023 #1
Not just America radicalleft Oct 2023 #3
Was reading that median income in Gaza is like $6,500 annually. That means, $13 Billion Silent Type Oct 2023 #2
That would require a paradigm shift in thinking radicalleft Oct 2023 #4
Agree, "they'll" spend $13 Billion on trying to bomb folks into peace. Silent Type Oct 2023 #8
Getting aid to citizen non-combatants LauraInLA Oct 2023 #12
One activist Gazan who escaped to Egypt says BootinUp Oct 2023 #13
Most Countries in this region are bad when it comes to human rights JI7 Oct 2023 #5
Why is that though? radicalleft Oct 2023 #7
Good thoughts. BlueMTexpat Oct 2023 #14
Post removed Post removed Oct 2023 #6
404 not found... radicalleft Oct 2023 #9
But the only future the Palestinians collectively want is to drive Israel into the sea. marybourg Oct 2023 #10
That is the whole point of my post radicalleft Oct 2023 #11
What cruel irony for Jews to inflict such a "final" solution. Frasier Balzov Oct 2023 #15
Yes... radicalleft Oct 2023 #16

RockRaven

(15,890 posts)
1. The treatment begets the disease alongside the alleged cure...
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 12:27 AM
Oct 2023

If Americans didn't learn this in the two decades following 9/11, I suppose one cannot expect them to do so now either.

Silent Type

(5,474 posts)
2. Was reading that median income in Gaza is like $6,500 annually. That means, $13 Billion
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 12:29 AM
Oct 2023

is all it would take to make a huge difference in their lives, as would even $2 or $5 Billion.

Not suggesting we pay that to individuals, but that it wouldn’t take a big amount to make a difference. Obviously, there are millions/billions more who need help beyond the 2 Million in Gaza. More a long term approach, than helpful short term.

Silent Type

(5,474 posts)
8. Agree, "they'll" spend $13 Billion on trying to bomb folks into peace.
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 12:57 AM
Oct 2023

Can’t say that’s wrong in this situation, but just doesn’t feel right.

LauraInLA

(898 posts)
12. Getting aid to citizen non-combatants
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:15 AM
Oct 2023

Unfortunately, it seems it has been very difficult to impossible to get the aid to Gazan civilians, as it is filtered through and appropriated by Hamas. I don’t know how to break that stranglehold or alter that dynamic for the future. I’m reminded that when Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip, they left greenhouses and other valuable assets — I’m not aware that average Gazan citizens gained any benefit from these resources.

BootinUp

(48,312 posts)
13. One activist Gazan who escaped to Egypt says
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:38 AM
Oct 2023

that they need factories. But Hamas and their supporters wont build one.

JI7

(90,071 posts)
5. Most Countries in this region are bad when it comes to human rights
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 12:47 AM
Oct 2023

Israel is the better than the others though .

radicalleft

(485 posts)
7. Why is that though?
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 12:57 AM
Oct 2023

What gives rise to oppressive regimes? Is it poor education or lack of economic opportunity? Or is it simply evil people in positions of power moving pawns around a board?

Or could it be because of western political intervention that has failed to recognize the culture of a region that has historically been tribal or or in other cases ruled by a monarch of sorts? Is this culture/region capable of thriving in a western style democracy?

The US in particular is unique in that we have never really had to contend with a hostile neighbor. We are protected by two expanses of water that shield us from invaders. I think that has given us a distorted view of how other regions of the world deal with geo-political tensions.

I just don't really know...

BlueMTexpat

(15,465 posts)
14. Good thoughts.
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 03:03 AM
Oct 2023

There are likely bits of all involved. Unfortunately, we still do not seem to learn any real lessons from the past.

Nor do we seem to want to.

Response to radicalleft (Original post)

marybourg

(12,942 posts)
10. But the only future the Palestinians collectively want is to drive Israel into the sea.
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:09 AM
Oct 2023

Why do you think every attempt at a peaceful settlement over the past 75 years, starting long before the advent of Hamas, has failed? It’s because they have no interest in anything less than “the right of return”. The Hamas terrorists said this even as recently as Oct 7. If they were willing to allow for a two state solution, living peacefully alongside Israel, this would have been settled a long time ago. Not facing this fact is just living in a dream world.

radicalleft

(485 posts)
11. That is the whole point of my post
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 01:14 AM
Oct 2023

The "Palestinians" have "lost" since the end of WW1. They are fighting for what they believe is their right, just as the Israelis have. The roots of this conflict run deep and will only end I believe with one annihilating the other...

Frasier Balzov

(3,376 posts)
15. What cruel irony for Jews to inflict such a "final" solution.
Wed Oct 25, 2023, 03:15 AM
Oct 2023

Yet they are responding to violence from an irrational threat which is clearly incapable of being mollified.

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