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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHamas is but one iteration of a predictable and foretold resistance.
While the calls to "obliterate" Hamas, (which in reality is nothing more than a radical islamic group who opportunistically seized control of Gaza) are understandable and justified, it does nothing to solve the long term conflicts in this region. Until the basic human rights of the people of "Palestine" are met and a future full of promise is realized, they will cling to the belief that only through armed conflict can they achieve their political aims. The world needs to offer these people hope.
But given the current situation, I cannot see that there is very much hope to be offered. Hamas will be neutralized; but then what? I fear that the next iteration will spring up in the vaccum of effective leadership and the cycle will continue again and again until one of these groups is completey wiped from the earth and they will be but a chapter to be studied by furure historians.
RockRaven
(15,890 posts)If Americans didn't learn this in the two decades following 9/11, I suppose one cannot expect them to do so now either.
radicalleft
(485 posts)but the rest of the western world too
Silent Type
(5,474 posts)is all it would take to make a huge difference in their lives, as would even $2 or $5 Billion.
Not suggesting we pay that to individuals, but that it wouldnt take a big amount to make a difference. Obviously, there are millions/billions more who need help beyond the 2 Million in Gaza. More a long term approach, than helpful short term.
radicalleft
(485 posts)That I don't forsee happening for a long long time.
Silent Type
(5,474 posts)Cant say thats wrong in this situation, but just doesnt feel right.
LauraInLA
(898 posts)Unfortunately, it seems it has been very difficult to impossible to get the aid to Gazan civilians, as it is filtered through and appropriated by Hamas. I dont know how to break that stranglehold or alter that dynamic for the future. Im reminded that when Israel withdrew from the Gaza Strip, they left greenhouses and other valuable assets Im not aware that average Gazan citizens gained any benefit from these resources.
BootinUp
(48,312 posts)that they need factories. But Hamas and their supporters wont build one.
JI7
(90,071 posts)Israel is the better than the others though .
radicalleft
(485 posts)What gives rise to oppressive regimes? Is it poor education or lack of economic opportunity? Or is it simply evil people in positions of power moving pawns around a board?
Or could it be because of western political intervention that has failed to recognize the culture of a region that has historically been tribal or or in other cases ruled by a monarch of sorts? Is this culture/region capable of thriving in a western style democracy?
The US in particular is unique in that we have never really had to contend with a hostile neighbor. We are protected by two expanses of water that shield us from invaders. I think that has given us a distorted view of how other regions of the world deal with geo-political tensions.
I just don't really know...
BlueMTexpat
(15,465 posts)There are likely bits of all involved. Unfortunately, we still do not seem to learn any real lessons from the past.
Nor do we seem to want to.
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radicalleft
(485 posts)maybe my browser doesn't like the link
marybourg
(12,942 posts)Why do you think every attempt at a peaceful settlement over the past 75 years, starting long before the advent of Hamas, has failed? Its because they have no interest in anything less than the right of return. The Hamas terrorists said this even as recently as Oct 7. If they were willing to allow for a two state solution, living peacefully alongside Israel, this would have been settled a long time ago. Not facing this fact is just living in a dream world.
radicalleft
(485 posts)The "Palestinians" have "lost" since the end of WW1. They are fighting for what they believe is their right, just as the Israelis have. The roots of this conflict run deep and will only end I believe with one annihilating the other...
Frasier Balzov
(3,376 posts)Yet they are responding to violence from an irrational threat which is clearly incapable of being mollified.
radicalleft
(485 posts)Its a sad situation