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LiberaBlueDem

(862 posts)
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 03:48 PM Oct 2023

Defense is, at heart, anti-war

When defense was misused as it was durring the Bush years it became pro-war.

In Israel, the border defense kept the peace until it failed, now there is war.

Being anti-war is the best defense against the pro-war people.

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Defense is, at heart, anti-war (Original Post) LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 OP
this is so true! Hamlette Oct 2023 #1
Pro-defense and anti-war is a new idea LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #2
and as an old hippie, I never thought I'd say it! Hamlette Oct 2023 #3
I wonder... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #4
Well, this is Israel. To some, everything they do is an offense. Lancero Oct 2023 #6
Pro-war people want war LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #7
Have you checked out Huffpost lately? SleeplessinSoCal Oct 2023 #5
Pro-war people are really hot these days LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #8
Who are the "pro-war" people? TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #9
Do not assume LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #10
Hmm TexasDem69 Oct 2023 #11
Ya got that right. Think. Again. Oct 2023 #12
How do you define "anti-war?" Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #13
What does that mean? LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #14
Well, i asked first, but... Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #15
Agree LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #16

Hamlette

(15,375 posts)
1. this is so true!
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 03:55 PM
Oct 2023

my father had a military connected civilian job (designing nuclear submarines) and was in the reserves. When Reagan started talking about the possibility of limited nuclear war, my dad lost his "faith" in the whole system. He believed his jobs were to help the country present a strong defense so war was unthinkable. When Reagan started thinking about trying the ultimate, it was a bridge too far for him.

One thing Trump has done for me, is by dissing service members (my mom and husband both served) is made me more defensive of our armed forces.

LiberaBlueDem

(862 posts)
2. Pro-defense and anti-war is a new idea
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 04:01 PM
Oct 2023

A new idea rooted in traditional practice.

We are told that defense is about protecting free speech. And most of the anti-free speech folks are pro-war.

Hamlette

(15,375 posts)
3. and as an old hippie, I never thought I'd say it!
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 04:07 PM
Oct 2023

I was in college during Vietnam and we hated the military. I my family, we used to joke that Mom and us to kids (starting at about age 12 for civil rights) would go out the front door to protest war and my Dad would go out the back in his uniform.

Reagan broke his heart. He became a radical liberal after that.

Think. Again.

(5,940 posts)
4. I wonder...
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 04:13 PM
Oct 2023

...is there such a thing as "pre-fense"?

It seems to me we are never being proactive about avoiding the escalation of conflicts, and there's never any serious talk about international arms reduction anymore. It's almost as though we let whatever's happening anywhere get to a boiling point just so we can feel justified in joining the melee.

Lancero

(2,961 posts)
6. Well, this is Israel. To some, everything they do is an offense.
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 04:21 PM
Oct 2023

In the instances where Israel is pre-emptive, they're decried as a aggressor. When they aren't pre-emptive, they're smeared for... Not 'defending' themselves properly?



LiberaBlueDem

(862 posts)
7. Pro-war people want war
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 04:24 PM
Oct 2023

They often use defense forces to make war. The anti-war people are always on the defense against pro-war people. Years ago there was a cool idea that instead of calling it "Defense Department" we call it the "Peace Department"



SleeplessinSoCal

(8,848 posts)
5. Have you checked out Huffpost lately?
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 04:17 PM
Oct 2023

They are very strongly condemning silence from State Department on Gaza.

"Josh Paul, who spent a decade in State's bureau overseeing arms sales, exclusively spoke with HuffPost after quitting over the U.S. approach to the Israel-Palestine conflict."

It is hard trying to avoid war with so much strife in our world.

LiberaBlueDem

(862 posts)
8. Pro-war people are really hot these days
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 04:28 PM
Oct 2023

Anti-war people are targets, so we have to watch what we say and who we say it to.

TexasDem69

(1,277 posts)
9. Who are the "pro-war" people?
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 04:31 PM
Oct 2023

I assume you aren’t talking about those who believe Israel has the right, indeed the obligation, to defend against and hunt down Hamas child-murderers, so curious who you might be talking about. I’ve never seen a “pro-war” post on DU.

Happy Hoosier

(6,781 posts)
13. How do you define "anti-war?"
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 05:10 PM
Oct 2023

I consider myself antiwar. But I think we disagree to some extent on recent events.

Curious what your perspective is.

Happy Hoosier

(6,781 posts)
15. Well, i asked first, but...
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 05:28 PM
Oct 2023

… to me, anti-war means opposing the use of armed force without adequate justification. For me, that means exhausting diplomatic solutions, where appropriate and focusing on defense. That is, avoid wars of aggression.

Okay, your turn.

LiberaBlueDem

(862 posts)
16. Agree
Thu Oct 19, 2023, 05:54 PM
Oct 2023

I am anti-war because it is the innocents who suffer the most in war.

Women and children get it worse than the war-makers.

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