And if there was any doubt about Hamas hitting the hospital PARKING LOT.

[Tomconroy]

Malcolm Nance has persuasive analysis of the audio released of two Palestinians talking about their rocket going astray:

Link to tweet

ANALYSIS: I wore headphones for @NSAGov for nearly 2 decades. This @IDF Signals Intelligence (SIGINT) is a telephone voice intercept between two individuals. It is the exact conversation (called Hot Copy) any SIGINT team would have been furiously searching for b/c we know senior terrorists MUST be discussing it. But for Israel to release this raw SIGINT shows how serious the damage the explosion has done to its narrative of professionalism

Also before you ask Yes, the Arabic is Palestinian/Levantine dialect. Also Yes, the translation is word perfect. Could it be faked? Yes, but it’s easier for @IDF to release the actual real copy. It also burns the operatives who may be forced to do TV interviews to refute what they said. The Israelis know their names & can release other calls. This is SIGINT 101.

[claudette]

1. Really?

[Tomconroy]

2. Really

[claudette]

6. Well

If Hamas supposedly has such awful weapons then i would wonder WHY they would use them to kill 500 SICK Palestinians instead of their enemy. It does not make sense to me. The truth may never be known. This whole conflict is horrible when so many innocents on both sides are killed. I pray it ends soon.

[Tomconroy]

10. There is no evidence of 500 deaths.

You can see the damage in other posts on DU. no damage to buildings. Afew cars hit in a parking lot.

[claudette]

12. Where

are the reports coming from? Israeli government or the IDF. I saw photos, too. Some will believe anything Israel says that makes Hamas the (ONLY) bad guy. Me? I'll wait for further proof. I simply cannot believe the reports that Hamas would kill their own sick people. Again. My prayers are for the innocents on BOTH sides who are suffering and dying.

[Maru Kitteh]

15. anything that "MAKES" Hamas the bad guy? Do you hear yourself?

Hamas IS the bad guy. HAMAS carried out the attack broadcasting a grandmothers execution live to her family on Facebook. HAMAS burned children alive for AMUSEMENT, tied toddler's hands behind their backs and made them watch as they gouged out their father's eye and then killed them all anyway, OH, AND RAPED WOMEN TO DEATH.

HAMAS alone of these two parties calls for the elimination of every citizen, man woman and child because they are Jewish.


I am going to bookmark this post for the next person who snivels "Nobody here defends Hamas."

[ismnotwasm]

64. Setting up targets for media manipulation is Hamas's MO

They have been doing this for years. They DO NOT CARE—Hamas is absolutely horrible. I don’t think people realize how bad.

[claudette]

68. Of course

Hamas terrorists are horrible. No one is saying they aren’t. Yet I cannot believe that ANY human being would sacrifice 500 INNOCENT fellow Palestinians for a cause

[paleotn]

74. But apparently they're on your side so they're ok

Nice.

[claudette]

81. What?

Please calm down. Bye

[Mossfern]

88. Hamas is know for its brutal murder of Palestinians

who speak against them, killing Palestinian gay people, politicians from opposing parties. Palestinian children are taught that they will go to heaven if they kill Jews and some have been suicide bombers or at least are willing to die for the cause. Please do a bit of research for yourself from unbiased sources because lately you do appear as a Palestinian terrorist apologist.

The mission of Hamas is to KILL all Jewish people. They not only say the bad part out loud - they're proud of it.

[claudette]

90. But

it should not be the goal to kill The Palestinians who are not at fault as revenge. I’m exhausted just talking about this. I shouldn’t have to defend myself for showing concern for innocent Palestinians who have no defense against Israel’s weapons or Hamas’ control of Gaza along with my concern for innocent Israelis. Bye

[Mossfern]

95. Maybe you'll understand if it's put this way

The goal is not to kill Palestinians.
The goal is to stop Palestinians from killing Jews.

Since Hamas dress and live amongst innocent Palestinians, it's on THEM, not Israelis to protect their people by getting innocent civilians out of harms way and distinguish themselves as fighters by wearing some sort of identifying uniform. Are you purposely being thick?

[mzmolly]

94. I think the claim of 500 deaths is also

disputed.

[Ilsa]

97. Hamas considers the deaths of their own people to be

a worthwhile martyrdom. To die for their cause is the ultimate life to lead. They have no problem with killing their own people, whether they are sick, injured, etc.

[wnylib]

103. The group involved is Islamic Jihad. They are a military

arm of Hamas. Israel did not say that Hamas or IJ targeted the hospital. They said that IJ launched an explosive toward Israel and it failed, came crashing down. Israel also pointed out that this kind of failure is common in Palestinian weaponry. So Israel says it was an accidental "friendly fire" hit by IJ.

Personally, I have no problem believing that Hamas or IJ could have intentionally targeted their own people. They hide out among them and store explosives in schools and mosques, so they have no regard for their own people. They want power at any cost. They do not have military weapons equal to Israel's or other nations, so they leverage public opinion.

The damage at the hospital caused the cancellation of a conference between the Palestinian government, Arab Nations, and Biden. The goals of the conference were to improve conditions for Palestinians, negotiate hostage release, and diminish casualties. That would weaken the power and leverage of Hamas in Palestine. So the cancellation of the conference was a win for Hamas. The Hamas claims about the hospital made that win possible.

The Hamas claim that Israel bombed the hospital also increased anger and demonstrations around the world. Another win for Hamas.

It is a moral principal to speak out on behalf of Palestinian civilians. But defending Hamas terrorists is another story.

[cpamomfromtexas]

110. It sounds like an unexpected malfunction

[mcar]

111. Hamas IS the bad guy

[Cha]

118. HAMAS MAKES themselves the "BAD GUY"..

Last edited Wed Oct 18, 2023, 10:44 PM - Edit history (1)

by BUTHECHING BABIES and Children and Ordered to KILL as many People/Jews as Possible..

Why are you so hell bent on protecting the LYING MURDERING HAMAS ASSHOLES?

Israel didn't bomb tht hospital BUT GD HAMAS LYING FUCK HEADS was Sure Quick to Blame Israel.

And, Apparently some are READY to side with HAMAS.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

120. Mahalo Cha.

It really is quite sad that this person is so bent on believing that Israel did this and not Islamic Jihad.

[Cha]

121. Aloha MCE.. I'm glad

this reply is from you!

I reread my post first and it was a mess.. so I Cleaned it up!

Have you seen anything on the possibility that the Bomb was headed towards Israel from HAMAS and fell short at the Hospital? And, then HAMAS Blamed it on Israel?

[MarineCombatEngineer]

123. This is a video released by the IDF of the rocket malfunctioning

and raining flaming debris down.

Also, US Intelligence has confirmed that it was a malfunctioning rocket fired by Islamic Jihad towards Israel.
It seems that Islamic Jihad didn't intend for it to hit the hospital parking lot, it was just a shitty rocket.

[Cha]

125. Yes.. that's what I thihnk

happened.

So those like Tlaib etc can Stop Blaming Israel like the HAMAS Butchers do.

Mahalo nui loa for the video.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

124. And this is a photograph of where it landed,

there is no way the hospital was severely damaged, nor 500 people killed as Hamas claims.

[Maru Kitteh]

13. Bullshit. The truth is known, some people just prefer Hamas propaganda or really any propaganda

over teH JEWS. There's a word for that somewhere I heard once.


Terrorists LIE as a way of being, which is why Trump expresses so much approval of them and calls them "smart." Hell, look at what terrorist propaganda has been able to accomplish here, even on DU. It's breathtaking.

[claudette]

14. Believe what you want

I'm waiting for proof. And. My concern is for the INNOCENT Palestinians. Not Hamas. So Calm down.

[claudette]

21. I'm not worried about

anything but innocents being killed by either side. Most people believe the worst about Hamas because of propaganda AND their terrorist acts. Calm down. You want to read something into my posts that just isn’t there. Gotcha. I care NOTHING about Hamas. I care about the TRUTH and that’s what should be sought when horrible actions are committed. Not just assuming the worst about either side

[Maru Kitteh]

27. You've demonstrated here that the truth, with evidence doesn't interest you.

But then again, the truth does "make Hamas the bad guy."

[claudette]

41. How do

you know that the TRUTH is here? I’ll wait.

And I’ll amend my prior statement to say that Almost everyone believes Israel is ALWAYS the good guy. No one is in a war. Hamas started it and revenge against them is going on now. Again. My prayers are for the INNOCENTS who are suffering and dying. So calm down

[Hellbound Hellhound]

57. If I were Hamas, I'd without a doubt slaughter my own people for "sympathy".

Just like what's being offered here; "Oh, so many innocents are being harmed, so many civilians, so many children" Yes, they are, by us, because it makes people feel sympathetic to my cause.

Don't underestimate the cruelty of the average terrorist. They can, and will, murder everyone and anyone who will advance their cause.

[claudette]

61. So sad

that you think that way but it’s your choice. I do not know what’s in the mind of a terrorist. Maybe lots of hatred but I cannot believe 500 innocent sick people would be sacrificed for a cause.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

72. Tough. I'm an American but the choice is obvious from a Terrorist's perspective.

I, one man, would 100% choose to obliterate not only 500 of my own people but 50,000 innocents if it meant the global stage would step in to secure the purpose of my cause.

Your innocence is both palpable and adorable. Likewise, it is tragically naïve and regretful.



Hamas is shaping the minds of the weak and innocent to their whim. They must be crushed.

[claudette]

78. Yes

Crush Hamas and ALL the other terrorist groups. Obliterating Gaza to rubble as promised by Israeli officials will not end this conflict. And all those innocents will die or be homeless. I just pray for all of them on all sides.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

83. That, I agree with.

Specifically that innocents must be considered in every way. However, when only one side of the conflict is willing to consider innocents (Israel, in case it isn't clear), to fight against an enemy who wishes nothing but complete genocide of an entire race (Hamas, in case it isn't clear), there is no recourse, no respite; We treat them as we did the Nazis.

Eradication and erasure from the history books. Just like the Nazis before them.

[claudette]

86. Question

I just read here on DU that the IDF is bombing the border with Egypt as refugees are fleeing as they were told to do by Israel. If this is true please tell me HOW that is possible if you believe Israel cares about innocents? War is horrible. I know. But why do some here blame a poster who expresses concern for innocent civilians? I don’t understand how that can be viewed as anti-Semitic.

[Hellbound Hellhound]

87. I've already read reports about the bombing of the border.

Likewise, if I were a Middle Eastern terrorist organization, I 100% would bomb the FUCK outta the crossing/border, then try to pin it on Israel through social media, to garner support from the young and impressionable idiots of the West who use their 'liberalism' as a badge of honor and who make it their whole identity..

Look mate, this isn't a fight. Both you and I are trying to look out for innocents. But the thing is, if the IDF takes control of the Strip (I say The Strip, but I mean "Palestine" such as it is, apologies for playing too much Fallout: New Vegas), far fewer innocents will die as opposed to leaving Hamas in control, and hopefully the world will have a chance at non-racist, non-Holocaust-based peace. I don't think you're anti-Semitic, I think you may be misguided; I personally have very little stake in the fight, unless you consider my ex-wife being Jewish a bargaining chip.

[claudette]

89. I also

have little in this fight even considering I have Jewish blood relatives who agree with me about ALL innocents. Guess I’ll just keep praying this mess ends soon 🙏

[Hellbound Hellhound]

91. Innocents die in war. But there are far more Hamas sympathizers than Jews.

And given the history of Jews as being chronically oppressed, suppressed and exterminated, I'm inclined to side with them, as I am inclined to side with Blacks and LGBT++.

If we have to agree to disagree, so be it. Be well, and may peace reign supreme.

[claudette]

92. Amen!

👍🙏

[whopis01]

18. Hamas did not fire the rocket at the hospital

The video shows the rocket broke up in mid air. You can see two explosions on the ground. The smaller one is like from part of the rocket motor and it’s fuel. Then there is a much larger one from the warhead.

The audio tape appears to agree with what was seen in the video.

[Beastly Boy]

45. Israel didn't fire on the hospital

The same video shows absolutely no activity in the area other than the rockets being fired from the ground in close vicinity to the hospital, and an explosion immediately following the firing of the rockets, nothing else.

[mitch96]

67. "no activity in the area other than the rockets being fired " So no radar signature of a plane

in the area? To me that would be more proof of no IDF involvement.
Innocents being killed, A bad situation anyway you cut it..
m

[Beastly Boy]

76. The camera only detected visual activity, which

would be clear in the night sky if it was anything propelled a chemical reaction.

The rockets being fired are clearly visible. Nothing else is.

[mitch96]

85. I was thinking with the Aircraft Carrier Strike group in the area with their long range radar

would pick up a gnat farting 50 mile away.
Seeing a signature of a jet or rocket would be easy.
m

[Beastly Boy]

98. I have no evidence of that,

but I am watching MSNBC at the moment quoting Biden that DOD has determined that Israel is not responsible for the hospital attack.

He must know something I don't.

[Happy Hoosier]

116. Not sure radar would help.

Glide bombs can be dropped from up to 50 miles a way.

[AkFemDem]

22. The likeliest explanation

Is that a poorly trained “army” with poorly maintained weapons, will have a higher percentage of “friendly fire” accidents, misfires, and equipment failures. It is unsurprising that Hamas might experience many missile failures and that while firing them in highly populated areas, there will be many civilian casualties as a result.

[claudette]

26. Sounds

plausible. We’ll have to wait for the whole truth to come out. At least your explanation doesn’t have Hamas deliberately killing innocent sick Palestinians. That’s what some would want the world to believe. 🙏

[AkFemDem]

31. If you listen (read caption) to the audio clip linked

On the original post, they say the missile was fired from the cemetery behind the hospital and then one specifically says “and it misfired and fell on them”

[Shrek]

28. Amazing that Hamas could dig through the rubble in the dark and count the bodies so quickly n/t

[Happy Hoosier]

34. Did you actually listen to this?

FFS... no one is asserting they deliberately targeted their own people.

They are shitty weapons. One failed. It belonged to Islamic Jihad, btw, not Hamas. Another little detail you apparently missed. They fired it from a cemetary BEHIND the hospital. Failing missile fell on the hospital.

Are you interested in the truth, or simply pressing forward your desired narrative of ISRAEL BAD?

[claudette]

43. That's not

My Narrative. It’s wait for the truth is what I’m saying. Period. My prayers are for the INNOCENTS who suffer and die ON BOTH SIDES

[Beastly Boy]

52. Doesn't sound like your narrative expresses concern for the innocents on both sides

"If Hamas supposedly has such awful weapons then i would wonder WHY they would use them to kill 500 SICK Palestinians instead of their enemy."

"Their enemy" is civilians. With overwhelming evidence of Hamas consistently and deliberately targeting civilians, you are still wondering why they would spare Gaza civilians?

That's your narrative.

[claudette]

55. Goodbye

It is hopeless to interact with someone who has misinterpreted everything I have said. Sorry. Bye

[Beastly Boy]

58. I quoted what YOU wrote.

If you have a better interpretation of it, do tell!

Or don't tell.

[claudette]

59. But

You MISUNDERSTOOD my meaning. I’m done. Bye

[Beastly Boy]

62. Was your quote not meant to convey what you meant?

What alternative meaning can you possibly offer?

[edisdead]

65. No. I think you are wrong

Nobody is misunderstanding your meaning.

There is audio and video explaining what happened and your answer is that you will wait for the whole truth. What you are really looking for is something that can refute what the truth says. I don’t think you are looking for the truth. You are looking for plausible deniability.

[claudette]

84. No

It’s simply that you choose to believe that as truth. I haven’t yet

[Mossfern]

93. Sounds a bit like you're looking for

"alternative facts."

[Beastly Boy]

36. Because the failure rate of their weapons is abysmal, and they don't care.

And there are reports that it was a misfired Islamic Jihad missile that fell on the hospital compound.

[paleotn]

71. Malfunction

It happens.

Nice “open mind” you have. Presupposed are we?

[manicdem]

122. 500

How do you know 500 people really died?

If 500 people died, there'd be double that in injuries. It'd be very noticeable if that many people were involved. The videos didn't show anything like that. A small explosion like that outdoors wouldn't have killed 500 people even if it was crowded. There'd be blood everywhere.

For an explosion like that assuming people were sleeping in the cars and on the ground, no more than 50 killed. More likely under 25.

[Lovie777]

3. More evidence with facts will be coming out, slowly....................

seems like Hamas have successfully, at this moment in time, reached one of their goals - chaos and blame.

Early this morning the streets across the Middle East, Turkey, etc. were filled with angry protesters against Israel and the USA, attacking their Embassies and in Turkey a US Military base.

200 - 900 were told to the media of deaths, hospital bombed beyond recognition.

Reports of journalists and people who witnessed the aftermath describing such horrific event.

Leaders canceling the meeting with President Biden.

[Tomconroy]

4. More evidence is out. Hamas lied not only about

The source but the extent of the damage.

[spinbaby]

5. At this point...

…I just assume everyone is lying.

[claudette]

7. That's how

I feel too.

[Happy Hoosier]

35. Maybe... but...

I'm inclined to believe those who DIDN'T launch a massive raid with the explicit goal of killing as many civilians as possible.

The sides here are NOT the same.

[sarisataka]

100. Yesterday someone posted, It does not matter who is responsible

For the explosion. Israel will be blamed.

That poster was prescient.

[BeyondGeography]

8. Both sides lie routinely

Listen to the tape!

Fake tape.

Next.

The only bottom we’ll be getting to in this saga is maybe three or four outrages from now in what is a very early stage of this conflict. So I’m trying to pace myself.

[Tomconroy]

9. The evidence is posted elsewhere on DU today.

But no one can force you to look for it.

[BeyondGeography]

11. There's a lot of evidence about a lot of things

Perspective on the bigger picture is more important to me at this point.

Pretty good piece on that here:

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/oct/17/left-on-the-shelf-how-the-world-failed-miserably-in-the-middle-east?CMP=Share_iOSApp_Other

[Maru Kitteh]

19. BOTH SIDES BOTH SIDES BOTH SIDES! Leave Hamas alone!

[BeyondGeography]

20. In Bibi we trust?

Yeah, you run with that.

[Tomconroy]

24. You can trust the photos that show there was no damage to the hospital

Buildings. Nothing to do with Bibi.

[claudette]

30. Who took them

[Beastly Boy]

56. The audio recording cited in the OP was made by Hamas militants.

[claudette]

63. So says whoever

Leaked it

[Beastly Boy]

66. "Inddependently verified"

What kind of a conspiracy are you suggesting?

[claudette]

69. I'm not suggesting

ANY conspiracy. I’m waiting for truth

[Beastly Boy]

80. "Leaked it" is not a suggestion of anything?

Fooled me!

[claudette]

82. Could

Have been leaked but not necessarily in a conspiracy. My gawd people here are just misreading into posts to find fault. Bye

[Beastly Boy]

99. Any evidence it "could have" been leaked?

You seem to be asking me to not take what you say for what you are saying

[indigoth]

70. Why

Would it matter WHO took the photo? A destroyed building would show as destroyed no matter who took the photo. And. There was no destroyed building … and that’s blatantly obvious.

[claudette]

73. Believe

what you want. So much disinformation is being put out everywhere. I’ll wait. Maybe someone’s will confess

[TexasDem69]

105. Wait for what?

The photo shows the hospital wasn’t destroyed. What additional evidence do you need that the hospital wasn’t destroyed besides an intact hospital?

[indigoth]

106. I didn't say anything about "belief"

I asked why would it matter who took the photo? A destroyed or intact building would look EXACTLY the same regardless of who was holding the camera.

[EX500rider]

107. How about the BBC?

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-middle-east-67144061
Crater is way to small for air dropped ordnance in the 500lb bomb and up size
.webp

[onenote]

119. Who took the photos? Really?

They were taken in Gaza. Do you think the Israelis took them? Or US operatives sneaking around in Gaza? Maybe you think they were taken at a Hollywood studio under orders from President Biden?

You seem pretty quick to give the benefit of the doubt to Hamas. Are you on the fence about whether this guy was lying?

Your posts bring you surprisingly close to the kinds of nonsense spewed by those that claimed that Sandy Hood was a false flag operation or that the Stoneman Douglas High School survivors were crisis actors.

[claudette]

29. I didn't see

anyone here saying that. I see some waiting for conclusive proof since the truth seems to evaporate in the fog of war

[Tomconroy]

23. Did you actually write

"There's a lot of evidence about a lot of things"?

[Maru Kitteh]

32. Hamas defenders are down to that kind of pablum now. It's sickening.

[claudette]

46. No one

here is DEFENDING Hamas. Calm down. I’m waiting for the Full Truth

[BeyondGeography]

33. Yeah, try to keep my horizons as broad as possible

Get beyond “hospital explosion was actually an errant missile so we can all breathe easy now.” It helps.

[Tomconroy]

40. I can see trump using that line on the witness stand.

Obviously you refuse to look at evidence because it might confuse you.

[BeyondGeography]

53. What's kind of confusing is people who feel the injustice of Russia's occupation of Ukraine

very deeply but are seemingly indifferent to Israel’s West Bank settlement policies (among other things) and how they helped us get here. That is endlessly confusing to me.

[Tomconroy]

60. I can see that you are very confused.

[BeyondGeography]

102. Oh really? Russia and China are having a field day with this inherent contradiction

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/10/18/world/europe/biden-israel-putin-china.html?unlocked_article_code=2BQ_zb9MXT4vqtr4lQHspkFnXTVZryj4IqImmHSyp_qL_yT5bOan4yaP9U_RsdSDd_n1j0maB_4wU7VyRW8nQLBky0a9NWX2q7OUdkga2U-7dqGBbnhdRecgFnnuPIzBSWOlMgiJJGwugM-92i_gmtPwViEO5YIPKdgAlz-3nqi9fUkPeXNrLs0qVPnACUISbMVaYxAIUSFs3lWw53ZdRXQ8yP8IknOtFiYAWjVZOtCQsQFX9guUYdc40E8HELYcQ-b7yNg8OB5PExV3FfkD2pFXQJ0Uzqt5Peu1O8kQ0bRPD7zlUJJtZ4rlZexV8AONkA3E4p9qoqd0TC1ASJTSqD0oJjZZHrU&smid=nytcore-ios-share&referringSource=articleShare

[Happy Hoosier]

50. So... facts be damned, it's about the narrative?

huh.

[paleotn]

79. An excuse for ignoring evidence

Sometimes I wonder if self delusion is more than a MAGA phenomenon.

[Happy Hoosier]

37. You have evidence its fake?

Or is that opinion just pulled out of nowhere?

And the sides are not equivalent here.

One side launched a massive raid with the EXPLICIT goal of targeting and killing as many civilians as possible.

[sarisataka]

101. Both sides lie

But some have yet to hear a lie from anyone but Israel.

[mopinko]

17. i trust malcolm.

i kept looking for evidence that he couldnt b trusted, cuz he seems to good to b true. but i’ve watched him for years, and never seen him engage in any kind of bullshit.

[Johnny2X2X]

42. Agree

There are trustworthy sides in this, mainly our allies. Israel is far from perfect, but they would not lie about something like this.

Malcolm Nance wouldn't lie about this.

It's just insane that hundreds of deaths were reported with no proof. On NPR this morning, they're still saying hundreds of deaths. If that parking lot is all that was hit, there's no way there were hundreds of deaths. It's like 3 cars burned out, and several others with some damage. If there were people in that parking lot and in those cars, a few dozen could have died, and while tragic, it's the result of an errant Hamas rocket.

People are literally listening to our closest ally in the Middle East and a terrorist organization that rivals ISIS in Hamas, and saying, "Well I don't know who to believe, let's wait for pictures."

[Hugin]

54. What about the numerous other missiles from that launch?

It wasn’t a singular launch from the videos I have seen.

Presumably, they landed in Israel on or near their targets and exploded. Nobody is talking about that. Even if nobody was killed or injured that was the intent when the terrorist were randomly launching them.

[Johnny2X2X]

77. Exactly

Israel has the Iron Dome that protects it from most of those rocket attacks, but if they didn't, thosuands of Israeli civilians would be dying from those rockets that are being aimed at civilian targets non stop. Hamas has launched thousands of rockets into Israel, thosuands. Not once have they tried to aim that at legitimate military targets, they're all targeting houses, apartments, schools, regular neighborhoods, and hopsitals.

The next time Hamas drops leaflets on an Israeli building warning the people inside to leave because a strike is coming will be the first.

[sarisataka]

104. It is funny

How everyone is ignoring that particular elephant.

Apparently the rest of those rockets were not aimed a cities full of civilians and just evaporated.

[Ace Rothstein]

25. Amazing how people can see the pictures and still think it was a missle.

People and news media carrying water for a terrorist organization, useful idiots.

[Happy Hoosier]

38. Are you asserting it was a bomb?

If so, where is the bomb crater?

Same as the supposed attack on the convoy... no crater.

This was NOT an aerial bomb.

[Johnny2X2X]

44. It was a Hamas rocket

They contain 20-50 pounds of explosives and don't leave craters like a car bomb or an Israeli missle would. Israeli strikes would be a crater, their munitions contain 800 to 2000 punds of explosives. And there is literal film of a Hamas rocket being launched from Palestine, and landing and exploding near this hospital at the time of the explosion.

[Happy Hoosier]

48. Exactly so. That's my point.

The post I was respnding to was ambiguous, but at these point folks saying this was an Israeli bomb are simply asserting what they WANT to be true.

[Ace Rothstein]

47. No, I'm in agreement with you.

Clearly a misfired or flawed rocket shot by one of the terror orgs.

[Happy Hoosier]

49. Cool...

I'm a bit on a hair trigger this AM from folks in complete denial. My apologies.

[Ace Rothstein]

51. No worries, I understand.

[Beastly Boy]

39. I am sure tomorrow's media in the entire Middle East will be full of recriminations

and accusations of war crimes against Hamas...

as if I need it:

[FVZA_Colonel]

75. This is absolutely embarrassing for you

That audio is the most ridiculously contrived horse shit and doesn’t prove what Nance says it does.

[EX500rider]

108. Amazingly small crater for a IDF bomb I'd say

.webp

[Cha]

115. NO.. it i is NOT "embarrassing" to the OP.

[Patton French]

96. Why are so many not willing to believe President Biden

And instead believe a terrorist organization that has killing innocent civilians as a part of its purpose?

[sellitman]

113. We know the answer to this question.

It's why I will never become a Moderator here.

[Cha]

112. Thank you & Malcom Nance!

[question everything]

114. Thank you. K&R

[NowISeetheLight]

117. If Hamas

If Hamas had any respect for the Palestinian people they would...

1. Not hide behind them and use them as human shields.

2. Hold elections so they could have a choice instead of seizing power 17 years ago and having none.

3. Use the billions in foreign aid funneled to Gaza to actually improve infrastructure and the lives of the Palestinians.

4. Not lob rockets into Israel which leads to Israel retaliation.

Just my view.

[PufPuf23]

126. Unfortunate that SIGINT did not foresee the Hamas terror attack.

Would rather have not experienced this thought.

The goal of Hamas must be to expand the conflict where other nations are attacking Israel and war otherwise expands.