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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI don't see how it is possible, but I have underestimated the pervasiveness of antisemitism.
It is everywhere, regardless of religion, political affiliation, race. I am not naive. I knew it was bad. I mean, thousands of years bad. But it's so much worse than even I could imagine.
boston bean
(36,410 posts)and it reveals itself. Very worrying.
elleng
(134,862 posts)Haters gotta hate.
AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)As we've seen the massive rise in hate groups.
There are literal Nazi's standing in front of Disney waving a Nazi flag & holding DeSantis 2024 signs.
This country is losing it fast....
Demovictory9
(33,249 posts)AntivaxHunters
(3,234 posts)We're going down a very dark path in this country
Elessar Zappa
(15,178 posts)Probably the oldest bigotry out there.
hlthe2b
(105,148 posts)seems to be failing throughout the Western world--as it has long been elsewhere. Nationalist populist movements and politicians have certainly added to the problem.
yardwork
(63,432 posts)applegrove
(121,797 posts)Most persecutors are wimps so they attack a group that does not have strength in numbers. I mean Jews did ot colonize Africa/Asia/South America and make war in Europe, Christians did. They only did that on land they had an historical claim to.
LymphocyteLover
(6,265 posts)applegrove
(121,797 posts)LymphocyteLover
(6,265 posts)applegrove
(121,797 posts)as deranged. Evil. and all the rest.
LymphocyteLover
(6,265 posts)BlueCheeseAgain
(1,893 posts)That wasn't just misinformation. It was a direct appeal to the tired old bigoted idea that Jews run the media.
(To be clear, I'm not saying that those on DU who believed it knew that. But the roots of this kind of conspiratorial thinking are unmistakeable.)
LymphocyteLover
(6,265 posts)AZSkiffyGeek
(12,313 posts)I guess at some point the pervasive antisemitism overwhelmed my ability to discern the dogwhistles.
MOMFUDSKI
(7,080 posts)blacks, browns, gays, trans, religions, others, and many more. The fight to be on top of the hill may never end.
We all know how bad hate is in this country. Hell, in many states now trans folks can't even get the healthcare they need. Gay and black civil rights can't be taught in many schools. The Holocaust is being denied. We have to all band together to fight the right in this country. It has to stop!
Beastly Boy
(10,717 posts)Probably several.
ismnotwasm
(42,381 posts)It is horrible and its everywhere
swong19104
(330 posts)are Semites as well. Perhaps you mean anti-Judaism.
LexVegas
(6,377 posts)czarjak
(12,183 posts)LymphocyteLover
(6,265 posts)Really.
Behind the Aegis
(54,671 posts)Perhaps every person here, who has professed their love for children, really would be OK with being labeled as a pedophile. Or not.
"Homophobia" is not the fear of sameness either.
Beastly Boy
(10,717 posts)ismnotwasm
(42,381 posts)ColinC
(10,039 posts)But non-Jewish folks are not the targets of the word "anti-semitism" by definition.
JI7
(90,113 posts)specifically as white Christian nazis being anti Jewish.
LymphocyteLover
(6,265 posts)As blatant hate of Jews? Or are you including more subtle concepts that people may perpetrate without knowing it is antisemitic?
LexVegas
(6,377 posts)Response to LymphocyteLover (Reply #20)
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Beastly Boy
(10,717 posts)Antisemitism is a certain perception of Jews, which may be expressed as hatred toward Jews. Rhetorical and physical manifestations of antisemitism are directed toward Jewish or non-Jewish individuals and/or their property, toward Jewish community institutions and religious facilities.
Accompanying the IHRA Definition are eleven examples that may serve as illustrations of how antisemitism manifests contemporaneously, ranging from age-old anti-Jewish tropes, to Holocaust denial, to certain expressions of animus toward the Jewish State of Israel that may at times cross the line into antisemitism. These examples are important, because while certain longstanding myths animating antisemitism have stood the test of millennia, manifestations of antisemitism do change, sometimes significantly, over time and place. It is important to provide guidance built on the knowledge of experts in the field, as well as the lived experience of large segments of the Jewish population.
https://www.adl.org/resources/backgrounder/about-ihra-working-definition-antisemitism
SpamWyzer
(385 posts)antisemitism has fueled many a pogrom, razzia and massacre. Scapegoating is a common practice. It dehumanizes the target group, ascribes blame for imaginary crimes and seeks retributive vengeance as a form of dangerous "justice". It flares up in times of war but is lurking in many hearts all the time. I can say without any irony or comedy intended, some of my dearest friends are Jewish and they have been true, kind and decent all the years I have had them as a blessing in my life. I know this is not what was meant by "the chosen people"...Peace on everyone. STOP THE WARS!
Martin Eden
(13,239 posts)Is it possible to criticize policies of the Israeli government without being prejudiced against Jews or their religion, while supporting the right of Israel to exist?
Each and every one of us needs to look inside ourselves honestly, and question whether we unintentionally or consciously exhibit prejudice. Stereotypes can be pervasive, requiring conscious effort to root them out.
Also pervasive, often as a political cudgel for many years, is to hurl accusations of antisemitism at those who have honest and well meaning objections to some of the policies, especially the rightwing Likud party.
All I ask is an honest effort to avoid painting with too broad a brush.
Peace,
Martin
Beastly Boy
(10,717 posts)Just look at the countless Israelis protesting against judicial reform for months.
It becomes problematic and borderline antisemitic when Israel is criticized as if it is a bad guy character out of a comic book, and all its diversity is ignored.
Dorian Gray
(13,692 posts)And it doesn't seem to matter where, even in liberal circles.
TeamProg
(6,630 posts)LexVegas
(6,377 posts)yobrault1
(129 posts)As in the past, with every advancement in how we communicate comes the rise of blustering sociopaths that use communications to foment hate. Antisemitism is low hanging fruit, not bc people love to hate Jews but because someone somewhere will love to blame a whole group of people for their lot in life. Its much easier to hate others than to find something to love about yourself. People who feel worthless are easy fodder for a sociopaths hate machine. Social Media is the new hate engine and now a sociopath has purchased a platform and added jet fuel to the equation.
LexVegas
(6,377 posts)Behind the Aegis
(54,671 posts)Both are excellent books and worth the read. If you can find time, I suggest both. They are available on Audible. There are also some other great books on the topic that I have read, if interested, let me know.
LexVegas
(6,377 posts)PCIntern
(26,445 posts)It is difficult in some circumstances to awaken in the morning and face the day in a particular context.
LexVegas
(6,377 posts)ColinC
(10,039 posts)Does my concern over the deaths of innocent civilians in Palestine -as an isolated concern (not as deflection) count as anti-Semitic?
I do recall certain congress folks being disciplined simply over this concern when the current Hamas terrorism was not yet an issue.
DemocratSinceBirth
(99,988 posts)But I have seen posts that Orthodox Jews don't have the right to feel safe wearing their traditional garb or that Jews don't have the right to feel safe eating at a kosher restaurant.
ColinC
(10,039 posts)Although this post was directed at the OP, so I'm curious what they might say.
Aussie105
(6,011 posts)People being suspicious and mistreating members of a group they recognise as being not like the group they identify with goes by many names.
Racism.
Xenophobia.
Ageism.
Sexism.
Antisemitism.
Cultism.
Then there are those forms of discrimination I don't have specific names for - like language, religion, eye colour, political affiliation, gun humpers, etc.
Sticking a label on a situation that you perceive to be not-quite-right solves nothing.
What are you going to do about it - that should be the question.
Goddessartist
(2,066 posts)Mom and sisters all are horrified. There's a street in Israel named after their relative. Szold Street I believe.
Behind the Aegis
(54,671 posts)These range from "redefining" anti-Semitism ("aren't Palestinians Semites too?" , to "questioning" if they can ever question Israel and it not be anti-Semitic (this is a popular whine), to asking, innocently of course, if support for Palestinians is "anti-Semitic", to regaling people about their Jewish family members/people they have or continue to fuck who are Jews, or their instance of once seeing a Jew on TV precludes their being, or even saying anything, anti-Semitic, to claiming criticism of Israel/Israelis is never anti-Semitic, to Jews aren't "really" a minority, and to claiming that anti-Semitism simply doesn't exist on the left.