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They have been fighting over Israel for 2,000 years (Original Post) LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 OP
2000? WarGamer Oct 2023 #1
Depending on who "they" is, that number might not be quite right... RockRaven Oct 2023 #2
3000 or even more nt msongs Oct 2023 #3
It's a busy part of the world. Basically at the crossroads Crunchy Frog Oct 2023 #15
Hamas can choose to stop killing Israeli civilians anytime they like. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #4
Yup nycbos Oct 2023 #9
Israel snipers can choose to stop murdering innocent Palestinians AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #11
And what SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #17
HRW is fine AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #18
You're entitled to your opinion SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #19
LoL ok. AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #24
This part... Xolodno Oct 2023 #21
It's funny AntivaxHunters Oct 2023 #25
It's a challenge to make arbitrary borders when no_hypocrisy Oct 2023 #5
Imagine No Religion walkingman Oct 2023 #6
This is only about religion on one side. Elessar Zappa Oct 2023 #8
In fact, the founders of Israel were marybourg Oct 2023 #10
My only anthem malaise Oct 2023 #14
Lady Gaga - Imagine (Live at Baku 2015 European Games Opening Ceremony) Celerity Oct 2023 #28
An absolutely beautiful version malaise Oct 2023 #29
+10000000000000000 Celerity Oct 2023 #27
the British drew borders in Africa treestar Oct 2023 #31
Ever see the Monty Python's: Life of Bryan LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #7
Who are "they"? Crunchy Frog Oct 2023 #12
Oh yeah! Sure!! Happy Hoosier Oct 2023 #13
Actually LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #16
Both side have to be willing SickOfTheOnePct Oct 2023 #20
Hamas has to be crushed LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #22
For a long time, it was considered nothing-ville. Xolodno Oct 2023 #23
I guess that if they have been doing it that long it is OK. Chainfire Oct 2023 #26
No, not okay LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #32
Only climate change can bring an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict dalton99a Oct 2023 #30

Crunchy Frog

(26,517 posts)
15. It's a busy part of the world. Basically at the crossroads
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 06:21 PM
Oct 2023

between Africa and Eurasia. It's been occupied by virtually every empire that ever existed in the region.

It's been inhabited by members of the genus "homo" for nearly 2 million years.

Elessar Zappa

(13,453 posts)
4. Hamas can choose to stop killing Israeli civilians anytime they like.
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 05:16 PM
Oct 2023

Until then, war will necessarily continue.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
11. Israel snipers can choose to stop murdering innocent Palestinians
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 06:13 PM
Oct 2023

It's a 2 way street.

[link:https://www.hrw.org/news/2023/08/28/west-bank-spike-israeli-killings-palestinian-children|]

Notice the date?
This only ends when the violence ends & murder on both sides ends.




SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
17. And what
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 06:34 PM
Oct 2023

Were these children doing? I mean, Israeli soldiers just killed them for no reason?

For me,
Human Rights Watch has proven themselves an unreliable source when it comes to anything related to Israel.

 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
18. HRW is fine
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 06:52 PM
Oct 2023

They hold everyone accountable and they were a BIG get when they endorsed Hillary in 2016. In fact that endorsement was everywhere.

Many innocent Palestinian kids have been murdered by Israeli snipers. It's been happening awhile. You may find this article interesting as it mentions some of the victims & what happened to them [link:https://www.dci-palestine.org/israeli_sniper_kills_14_year_old_palestinian_boy_in_jenin|]

I just want it all to end.
It's truly sad what's happening....

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
19. You're entitled to your opinion
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 06:56 PM
Oct 2023

As I am to mine.

I’ll not waste my time on any HRW writings that involve Israel, as they have proven to be heavily biased against Israel.

Xolodno

(6,253 posts)
21. This part...
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 07:02 PM
Oct 2023
"For me,
Human Rights Watch has proven themselves an unreliable source when it comes to anything related to Israel."



So they are fine in other conflict areas? Just not Israel because they call out your "team"? Maybe we should ignore everything in Ukraine and Russia? The Balkan war? And many other areas?

This is why comments like this get the roll of the eyes.
 

AntivaxHunters

(3,234 posts)
25. It's funny
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 07:26 PM
Oct 2023

I mean I'd pretty much expect a humans right org like HRW to be critical of a government that's run by a corrupt fascist far right leader; Netanyahu. Sounds a lot like someone we all know, eh?

no_hypocrisy

(45,280 posts)
5. It's a challenge to make arbitrary borders when
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 05:18 PM
Oct 2023

two different cultures claim that God gave THEM the land, excluding the other -- and there's no way to prove it.

Elessar Zappa

(13,453 posts)
8. This is only about religion on one side.
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 05:28 PM
Oct 2023

Israel isn’t fighting for Judaism, they’re fighting for the Jewish people. Many Jews are atheist, agnostic or otherwise secular.

marybourg

(12,486 posts)
10. In fact, the founders of Israel were
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 06:07 PM
Oct 2023

largely secular European socialists. It was about a homeland for people who had been displaced, and abused in other lands.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
31. the British drew borders in Africa
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 10:04 AM
Oct 2023

and that caused fighting - though we don't hear about it as much. It's just a habit they have when it comes to their empire. It does not always work out well.

Crunchy Frog

(26,517 posts)
12. Who are "they"?
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 06:16 PM
Oct 2023

2000 years ago it was occupied by the Roman Empire. I don't think they're a player in this current mess.

LiberaBlueDem

(862 posts)
22. Hamas has to be crushed
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 07:03 PM
Oct 2023

Hamas' biggest supporter is a leader of Israel

The most powerful makes it not a both side affair. You can throw out the both side arguments.

Xolodno

(6,253 posts)
23. For a long time, it was considered nothing-ville.
Sat Oct 14, 2023, 07:19 PM
Oct 2023

Even Jerusalem was just a pit stop for trade routes and at times, abandoned. The Jebusites actually developed the area, but the leaders eventually became unpopular. At the same time King David had a problem in Hebron, a good portion of his army were mercenaries and not Hebrew, so there was some conflict. Add that former King Saul's capital was Gibeah and only three miles for Jerusalem, David took advantage of the situation.

Result, more cosmopolitan city where his mercenary forces wouldn't be a problem and a base where he could stamp down on any chance of Saul's house coming up again.

The problem came later when the Temple was built and the main bank for the nation, suddenly it was a major target with all that gold, silver, etc. there. Now, its houses religious sites of three major religions. Every place you step in that city has probably had blood spilled on it.

Hence, why I'm not interested in visiting the pile of rubble, no worries of me getting Jerusalem Syndrome, that's for sure.

dalton99a

(80,414 posts)
30. Only climate change can bring an end to the Israeli-Palestinian conflict
Sun Oct 15, 2023, 09:59 AM
Oct 2023

by rendering the whole area uninhabitable

And then they will start killing each other somewhere else


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