List of Democratic Socialists of America public officeholders

[brooklynite]

How many will disavow the organization’s rallies in support of Palestine/Hamas this weekend?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Democratic_Socialists_of_America_public_officeholders

[Cha]

1. Yeah, I'll be waiting..

Rashida Tlaib[6] Michigan MI-13, MI-12 since 2019

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez[6] New York NY-14 since 2019

Cori Bush[6][7] Missouri MO-1 since 2021
J
amaal Bowman[6][8][a] New York NY-16 since 2021

Shri Thanedar[11][12] Michigan MI-13 since 2023

Greg Casar[13][a]

[JustAnotherGen]

2. Isn't Katie Porter affiliated in some way?

Or is she just a part of the bloc?

[Cha]

6. I can't find anything on

Porter and DSA.

I know she endorsed nina truner twice over Rep Shontel Brown who is a Pres Biden Dem.

That's all I need to kknow about her.

[Maru Kitteh]

8. Endorsing Nina Turner for *anything* is the kind of thing an asshole would do.

So anytime anyone does endorse that foul woman for anything, I have to ask why.


Takes all kinds Cha. SMDH.

[Cha]

10. Yeah, not very smart

to say the least.

Aloha, Maru

[question everything]

16. In short - the "squad"

[Cha]

18. Some of it.

[Polybius]

64. Cori Bush is one of the few that still say "defund the police"

AOC is the best of that list.

[Cha]

76. Update on Rep Bowman.. DSA is Mad at hm &

Shri

Link to tweet

[Igel]

3. Ah. I piece of the puzzle was missing for me.

Then I rummaged in the 'nets and found that the NYC rally that had a pro-Hamas speaker was Link to tweet
?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1710778425303081288%7Ctwgr%5E5563483c0ab84bdaae280b19e08abcbca75ef4f9%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fdailycaller.com%2F2023%2F10%2F07%2Fnew-york-socialists-rallying-for-palestinians-day-after-terrorists-killed-over-200-israelis%2F" target="_blank">DSA sponsored.

Missed whatever post connected the DSA with the rally.

[question everything]

17. Here

https://www.democraticunderground.com/10143141555

[anciano]

4. Both sides in the conflict have committed atrocities in the past .....

and as we all know the animosity and hatred these folks have for each other goes back about 4,000 years to the time of Abraham. That being said, if a particular group here in the US wants to express their feelings about the conflict, this is still a free country and they have a right to do so.

[SickOfTheOnePct]

5. I agree 100%

That they should be able to express their beliefs.

I also believe that when those beliefs include cheering for terrorists who murdered children and the elderly, elected officials who are associated with that group should condemn the cheering .

[Cha]

9. Mahalo!🤷‍♀️💕

[Cha]

7. This is about DSA Cheering on

the HAMAS TERRORISTS ATTTACKS on Innocent Men Women & Children and Dragging their Hostages through the Steets.

"Bogh Sides" ain't gonna cut this.

[ripcord]

11. Of course they do

and we have the right to judge them for their actions supporting terrorists.

[question everything]

15. Israel has never deliberately killed civilians and never took any civilians hostages

including elderly in wheelchairs.

This whataboutism is getting tiresome. How about some independent thinking?

[justaprogressive]

22. BULLSHIT!

Examples of exactly that

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100218343780

[anciano]

30. Thank you.

[JohnSJ]

110. Really. That post conveniently ignores the 1967 and 1973 unprovoked attemp by the neighboring Arab

The 1967 and you Kipper war were unprovoked attempt by the neighboring Arab neighbors to destroy Israel.

The so-called examples in that link are a complete misrepresentation of what led to that.

They tried to destroy Israel, and as a result of those wars, Israel captured land. Prior to that Jews were not allowed into Jerusalem, and the Golan Heights was used to launch missiles constantly into Israel.

[lapucelle]

116. It also leaves out any mention of Amin al-Husseini, the Grand Mufti of Jerusalem and

Palestinian Arab nationalist who actively collaborated with the Nazis throughout WWII.

[JohnSJ]

119. and the mufti was an antisemitite in his own right

[lapucelle]

115. What kind of journalist writes a "history", but leaves out the guy who collaborated with the Nazis?

You know, during the Holocaust.

You link to a post about a newspaper article entitled, "A brief history of the Israel-Palestinian conflict - explained". It's interesting that the author chose to exclude any mention of Amin al-Husseini.

"Let's sound 'historical' with a vague reference to Napoleon Bonaparte and just fast forward through WWII."

====================================================================

Amin al-Husseini

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amin_al-Husseini







-------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Bullshit indeed.

[question everything]

122. I will visit your post once Hanas will start executing hostages in front of the world

One woman who was murdered in Israel, they used her cell phone to photo and post on Facebook.

All the decapitation that we saw with ISIS will pale compare to what Hamas is ready to present us.

[obamanut2012]

52. THat is not true at all

They have deliberately killed civilians, including American civilians.

[question everything]

55. Examples? And not the ones who planted themselves in a middle of a war

and got killed.

Individual cases. Not entering a room of 200 party goers and killing all of them.

I cannot believe that posters here cannot distinguish between, yes, collateral damage and deliberate butchering of groups of people.

[tritsofme]

95. It's not that they can't distinguish between the two, it's that they don't want to

Because it frustrates big bad evil JOOOOS of Israel narrative that they love so much.

[JohnSJ]

111. Also, the examples used were the result of the 1967 and 1973 unprovoked wars against Israel to

destroy it, which that reference fails to even mention.

[Orrex]

121. That's a very charitable assessment.

[toesonthenose]

94. 4000 years? Islam began in 610 AD.

[anciano]

105. Good question ....

I'm not a Bible scholar or even religious, but it is my understanding that some religious commentaries say that Palestinians are descended from Abraham's son Ishmael (who he had with his wife's handmaid Hagar, according to the Old Testament account) and that Israelis are descended from his son Isaac (who he later had with his wife Sarah). Sarah had Hagar and Ishmael banished and that's when the "enmity" began between the two sons and their subsequent offspring. And this all supposedly happened about 4,000 years ago.

[roamer65]

12. Time to smear the socialists?

How 1933.

[Cha]

14. That was then.. this is NOW

when DSA doesn't want to help Ukraine from getting Runover from Russian.

DSA is "Smearing" their Damn selves cheering on HAMAS.

Fuck DSA 2023

[brooklynite]

19. No, no, no...they're DEMOCRATIC Socialists...

Apparently they think that’s significant.

[carpetbagger]

73. In '33, the national socialists killed the democratic socialists in Germany

They were among the first targets of the new government.

It's really significant, the differnence, kinda puts you on the opposite sides of World War II.

[Autumn]

20. This is America they can support Palestine if they chose to.

Their signs say nothing about supporting Hamas.

[Celerity]

24. Yes, there is a concerted effort by some to conflate supporting Palestinians and/or criticising

Israeli actions against them (the illegal settlements/land theft in the West Bank for example) with support of Hamas.

[Autumn]

26. Yes. With the added bonus that they can smear some very good Democrats.

[obamanut2012]

53. Yup, exactly

[lapucelle]

117. Any conflation complaint should be addressed to the actual conflaters: NYC-DSA.

NYC-DSA billed their event as a rally in solidarity with the Palestinian people. It was actually a celebration of the Hamas terrorist attack, complete with a guest speaker laughing as he described the slaughter of the kids at the music festival to the delight of the crowd.

"Pro-Palestinian crowd cheers after speaker praises Hamas' invasion of Israel and the number of rockets that were fired."

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

=====================================

At least one Nazi showed up to participate in the NYC-DSA celebration of the Hamas terrorist attack.

[Celerity]

120. I will address my replies to whom I choose to address them to.

As for conflation, some of those those people in your reply are apparently actual Hamas supporters, which I was not talking about. If they openly support Hamas, then there is no conflation needed from others, as they (the DSA members and other types who ARE Hamas supporters) themselves openly show their true colours.

I have never been a fangirl or a supporter of the DSA. I have stated for years that I think all elected Democrats, especially at US congressional level, should sever all ties and distance themselves from that extremely problematic organisation.

I do not, nor have I ever supported Hamas. Ever.

At the same time, I support the Palestinians who I think have legitimate grievances and do not engage in terrorism.

I condemn the actions of Hamas, just as I condemn the actions, for instance, of Israeli RW settlers and the parts of the Israeli government who aid and support them in their illegal land grabs in the West Bank.

The conflation I was addressing was taking support for the things I stated I (and others) support, plus my (and others) condemnation of specific actions by radical elements from the Israeli side, and then trying to falsely frame that as support for Hamas.

[lapucelle]

123. You replied in an OP about the DSA

to a poster who said this about the DSA:

This is America they can support Palestine if they chose to.
Their signs say nothing about supporting Hamas.

by beginning with the word "yes", but your response was about other general conflaters, rather than DSA conflaters ?

Yes, that makes sense

[Elim Garak]

28. Thank you.

[Autumn]

31. No thanks needed. I don't need to follow any accepted narrative. I have watched for years what

is going on there.

[anciano]

29. Thank you.

[Autumn]

34. I support the people of Palestine and I support the people of Israel. Their leaders suck big time.

They cause so much unnecessary death and destruction for both peoples.

[redqueen]

35. Well said, and thank you for your posts in this thread. nt

[justaprogressive]

21. What on earth are y'all gonna do when

"The Squad" is 2/3rds of the House of Congress??

Surely you must have noticed new congresspeople DUPLICATING the actions of
the last few years by the squad...

Say...You wouldn't be Doxing Democrats in this post would you?

[Emile]

25. +1

[Ace Rothstein]

37. People like the squad will never come close to 2/3 of Congress.

They probably won't ever make up more than half of Democrats, at least I hope not.

[Autumn]

83. You are very wrong. Thank goodness. Young people see what is wrong with this country

and they are stepping up. An aging electorate will move it along. We older ones don't have that many elections left.

[Ace Rothstein]

85. I'm only in my mid-40's so I have plenty of elections left.

Supporting atrocities like this will only push people to the right.

[Autumn]

88. And no, no one is supporting any atrocities. Looking at something and seeing both sides

gives one a full picture. Turning a blind eye to atrocities committed against one side while condemning the other side committing the same atrocities is ignorance. From watching TikTok and FB young people see the unfairness. It gives me hope for the future

[Ace Rothstein]

91. Getting their news from Facebook and Tik Tok is part of the problem.

That's where all the Trumpy people I know get their news from.

[Autumn]

92. Don't know a lot of you people do you? Have a nice day, I'm done here.

When all you have is insults you have nothing to add to anything.

[Cha]

67. "Doxing"!? Are you saying they're

Not proud to be DSA members?

Rep Richie Torres NY Dem says it best..

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

70. As if DSA membership is top secret personal info! Those members identify as democratic socialists.

Who didn't know this?

[Cha]

74. IKR... "Doxing"? Really?!!

Update on Rep Bowman..

Link to tweet

[Autumn]

80. You obviously. Many identify as Democrats, like AOC, Corie Bush and Jamal Bowman.

They and a lot of others belong to an organization called Democratic Socialists of America.

[betsuni]

82. Where do I say they aren't Democrats, elected members of the Democratic Party?

DSA isn't a political party.

[Autumn]

86. You said

betsuni (23,791 posts)

70. As if DSA membership is top secret personal info! Those members identify as democratic socialists.

Who didn't know this?

They identify as Democrats, they are members of an organization called Democratic Socialists of America. The only thing you were right on is...

As if DSA membership is top secret personal info!

[betsuni]

89. I don't understand your argument. Those members do identify as democratic socialists

and they are elected Democrats. It's a big tent party, one doesn't have to give up also identifying as other things.

AOC will explain. Being a democratic socialist is "part of what I am, it's not all of what I am. ... Democrats are a big tent party. I'm not trying to impose an ideology on all several hundred members of Congress."

[Autumn]

106. They identify themselves Democrats. They belong to an organization. .

Democratic socialism is a left-wing political philosophy that supports political democracy and some form of a socially owned economy. Democratic Socialists of America is an organization.

Words have meanings.

organization

1. an organized body of people with a particular purpose, especially a business, society, association, etc.
"two local organizations assisted with rescuing the animals"

2.the action of organizing something.
"the organization of conferences and seminars"

philosophy

Quite literally, the term "philosophy" mean "love of wisdom."

1.the study of the fundamental nature of knowledge, reality, and existence, especially when considered as an academic discipline.

2. a particular system of philosophical thought.
plural noun: philosophies
"Schopenhauer’s philosophy"

3. the study of the theoretical basis of a particular branch of knowledge or experience.
"the philosophy of science""

[betsuni]

109. They're Democrats who are democratic socialists. Elected members of the party are Democrats.

They identify as Democrats and democratic socialists. Still don't understand the argument here.

[carpetbagger]

75. Doxxing is publicizing personal information about public (broadly defined) people

This is publicizing public information about public people.

So no, Broolynite is not "Doxing Democrats".

[egduj]

118. I'm not sure you know the meaning of that word.

Nevertheless, these names need to be exposed.

[dalton99a]

23. Crickets

[Emile]

27. You should self delete this divisive post

[anciano]

32. IMO it's an excellent thread.....

this is what a discussion forum should be, an exchange of viewpoints and an opportunity to have our opinions scrutinized and evaluated by others.

[Emile]

33. So that's what we're calling it today!

Bullshit

[Marius25]

38. I think his excellent post should remain.

The Pro-Palestinian position has always been about Antisemitism. That's why police in the US and Europe have had to massive increase protection of Jews who are being targeted by pro-Palestinians.

Nobody can pretend they just oppose Israeli government policies when they're attacking Jews in the US and Europe.

I've personally never met a "Free Palestine" person who isn't an Antisemite. The entire movement was founded by a rabidly hateful Antisemitic Muslim from Syria who wants Jews wiped out.

[Emile]

40. We will disagree on this one

SOP for GD allows open discussion of the Israeli/Palestinian conflict is permitted during very high-profile news events which are heavily covered across all newsmedia.

This is not about the conflict in Israel. It's about bashing Democratic politicians.

[Marius25]

42. Unfortunately the rules here are ridiculous enough to the point that we can't call out

"Democratic" politicians who advocate Islamic terrorism.

How are we any better than conservative echo chambers who ban any criticism of TFG?

[Emile]

47. Care to name these Democratic politicians

who advocate Islamic terrorism?

[Marius25]

49. Nope, since it's against the rules.

[Emile]

50. That's a very thin line you are on.

[Cha]

81. No it is NOT "Bashing"

Dem politicians.. They're proud members of DSA, right?

We want to hear what they have to say about DSA's Rally in Times Square. Why should that be covered up.. just bc it's looking bad for DSA.

DSA has already reportedly kicked out Rep Bowman and are "mad at Shri"..

Link to tweet

[redqueen]

51. "The Pro-Palestinian position has always been about Antisemitism"

Wow.

So if you're anti-apartheid, you're an antisemite?

[Marius25]

54. If you think Israel should be eliminated, or you ignore Palestinian/Arab apartheid against Jews, yes

And if you are attacking Jews in the US and Europe after Hamas murders and kidnaps hundreds of civilians, yes you're Antisemitic.

Are you aware people get executed for selling property to Jews in Palestinian territories? Are you aware Palestinians behead gay people? Yet we have "Queers for Palestine" calling for the end of Israel. That's literally Chickens for KFC.

Are you aware Jews are banned from praying on the holiest site in Judaism in Israel's capital city?

[redqueen]

71. Are you aware you're spreading misinformation?

Whether you are or not we are done.

[Cha]

78. No he should NOT "delete"..

DSA is Fucked UP and needs to be held accountable for supporting terrorists.

I'd like to hear from the Dem members.

DSA Also does NOT Support Helping Ukraine.. again.. they're Fucked UP.

Rep Richie Torres NY says it best..

Link to tweet

[tritsofme]

96. I think the pro-terrorism rally DSA hosted yesterday was a bit more divisive.

We should know who stands with such a scummy organization.

[redqueen]

36. "Palestine/Hamas" why are you conflating the two?

What is your agenda here?

[Marius25]

39. There's no difference. Most Palestinians support Hamas.

Pro-Palestinians who are celebrating in the US and Europe are celebrating that Hamas committed an Islamic terrorist attack against Jews and foreign tourists.

[redqueen]

41. "Most Palestinians support Hamas"? Source?

Do most Americans support the CIA? Do most Israelis support netanyahu?

The US and Israel have been murdering civilians for decades. Spare me the selective outrage.

[Marius25]

43. Here: If elections were held in the West Bank today, Hamas would win power there too

https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87

Poll finds dramatic rise in Palestinian support for Hamas

JERUSALEM (AP) — A new poll released Tuesday finds a dramatic surge in Palestinian support for Hamas following last month’s Gaza war, with around three quarters viewing the Islamic militants as victors in a battle against Israel to defend Jerusalem and its holy sites.

The scientific poll by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research also found plummeting support for President Mahmoud Abbas, who was sidelined by the war but is seen internationally as a partner for reviving the long-defunct peace process.

The poll found that 53% of Palestinians believe Hamas is “most deserving of representing and leading the Palestinian people,” while only 14% prefer Abbas’ secular Fatah party.

Israel has never stormed into a giant concert and murdered, tortured, and raped civilians including international tourists.

Israel has never paraded and spit on corpses in the streets of Tel Aviv.

Israel has never recruited child suicide bombers.

Israel has never kidnapped Holocaust survivors and elderly women in wheel chairs.

Hamas and Hamas supporters are pure evil. The fact that you're trying to both sides this is disgusting.

[redqueen]

44. 53%

🙄

[Marius25]

45. To 14% for Fatah.

That's a massive difference.

Obviously you admit more than half of Palestinians support Islamic terrorism.

[redqueen]

46. I admit that you're damning an entire country

Because of the opinions of barely over half of them

[Kaleva]

56. In 1932, Hitler got less then 40% of the vote

But that was enough to get him into power. A few years later, the Allies destroyed Germany and hundreds of thousands of German civilians were killed regardless of they supported Hitler or not

[tritsofme]

97. Why do you suppose there have been no elections in the Palestinian territories since 2006?

Or why Abbas is serving in year 18 of his 4 year term?

Because they know it would be a Hamas landslide.

[lapucelle]

59. It's NYC-DSA that is guilty of the conflation.

The march was billed as a rally in solidarity with the Palestinian people, but it was, in fact, a celebration of the Hamas terrorist attack.

"Pro-Palestinian crowd cheers after speaker praises Hamas' invasion of Israel and the number of rockets that were fired."

Link to tweet

Link to tweet

[lapucelle]

69. "Pariah status awaits"

[AntivaxHunters]

57. I think a lot of people are going to be in shock

when they find out the largest voting bloc, young voters, support the Palestinian people & see Israel as a far right conservative apartheid entity.

Gallup poll https://news.gallup.com/opinion/gallup/472796/young-adults-views-middle-east-changing.aspx]

[lapucelle]

65. ...

[Sympthsical]

58. This seems a bit ham-handed

Even by our usual low standards.

[lapucelle]

60. New York State Democratic Party statement on the rally.

Link to tweet

[Cha]

84. Mahalo for The Statement from the Dem

Party Chari, Jay Jacobs, lapuceele.

[Nixie]

113. Thanks again, lapucelle, you are really bringing it.

I was shocked at their tone deaf timing, and it looks to be “repugnant” to many Dem leaders. Glad to see them put in the corner.

[lapucelle]

114. ...

[lapucelle]

61. New York Democrats are *still waiting* ...

Link to tweet

[Polybius]

62. Kshama Sawant of Seattle is perhaps the most extreme on that list

I cant believe she is still in office. She's retiring this term, however.

[lapucelle]

63. NYC Comptroller Brad Lander (a longtime DSA member) disavowed the rally

[lapucelle]

66. Tom Watson (aka "the unknown guy", so-named by someone who didn't know who he is)

Link to tweet

[Cha]

87. "Yup. I mean they're celebrating a far right theological paramilitary group in the name of

socialism"

That's important what Tom Watson is pointing out..

Thank You!

[lapucelle]

68. Once again, "the unknown guy".

Link to tweet

[betsuni]

79. +1

[Cha]

90. Freaking Ghoulish Assholes.

Link to tweet

[redqueen]

72. Glad to see this garbage only got 8 recs.

Trashing it. 🤮

[BannonsLiver]

103. 11 now after mine

[Cuthbert Allgood]

77. Seems like a fun game. What do we expect from those that support this:

Because if we are going to act like Israel is completely innocent in this and their treatment of Palestine is awesome, we aren't going to get far.

[tritsofme]

98. So I guess it would be more fair if Hamas was better at killing Jews?

[Cuthbert Allgood]

100. This didn't all happen in a vacuum.

The actions of terrorists certainly needs to be dealt with, but then Israel needs to take a hard look at how they are dealing with Palestine. Improvements could be made there that would decrease support for Hamas.

[lapucelle]

101. You forgot to include the link to the Statista graphic.

https://www.statista.com/chart/16516/israeli-palestinian-casualties-by-in-gaza-and-the-west-bank/

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From the link

Violence has broken out after weeks of tension stoked by violent clashes between Israeli police and Palestinian protestors in Jerusalem. Israel has carried out heavy airstrikes in Gaza with the Hanadi tower, a combined office and apartment complex owned by Hamas, targeted and destroyed.

The militant group has fired rockets towards major Israeli cities including Tel Aviv, Ashkelon and Beersheba with one volley of 130 projectiles thought to be the single largest barrage ever seen. Footage posted on social media shows Israeli Iron Dome missiles intercepting many of the incoming rockets as air raid sirens blared in the background.

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So the Iron Dome Missile Defense System works.

Imagine what the casualties would have been if Congress had voted to cut off funding for the Iron Dome missile defense system. Why would anyone vote against a missile defense system that obviously saves lives?

https://rollcall.com/2021/09/23/house-passes-israel-iron-dome-funding-with-some-democratic-defections/

[PufPuf23]

93. Why post such a DU divisive OP?

Looks like a deliberate effort to harm specific Democratics that most likely had nothing to do with the recent protests.

Long ago and far away Ron Dellums was the best representative ever voted for and had the pleasure to be a constituent.

[tritsofme]

99. I think the pro-terrorism rally DSA hosted yesterday was much more divisive

We need to challenge any Democrat who associates with such a trashy organization.

[PufPuf23]

102. The DSA rally is inexcusable. Wonder what specific individuals organized

and funded the event?

Broad brush to implicate all DSA in history much less all the present members.

[tritsofme]

104. I feel it is incumbent upon members to denounce the event.

Or it is fair to assume from their silence that they approve.

[PufPuf23]

107. Unfortunately, not as simple as that.

[tritsofme]

108. Actually, it is. Denouncing a pro-terrorist rally should be very easy.

In fact, I’m not sure I can think of anything easier!

[JohnSJ]

112. Then that is all that needs to be said. The problem is the DSA organization has made some troubling

statements, especially regarding the Russian invasion of Ukraine:

"Socialists’ Response to War in Ukraine Has Put Some Democrats on Edge
The Democratic Socialists of America’s view that U.S. “imperialist expansionism” through NATO fueled Russia’s invasion has created challenges for politicians aligned with the group.

Not long after Russia invaded Ukraine, the Democratic Socialists of America released a statement that drew instant reproof.

The group condemned the invasion, but also urged the United States “to withdraw from NATO and to end the imperialist expansionism that set the stage for this conflict.”

The position — a watered-down version of a prior, even more pointed statement from the group’s international committee — drew rebukes from a White House spokesman and from a number of Democratic candidates and elected officials, from Long Island congressional contenders to officials in New Jersey and Pennsylvania. But in the New York City area, where the D.S.A.’s largest chapter wields substantial influence, it has also created a challenging dynamic for politicians aligned with the organization."

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/03/08/nyregion/dsa-nato-ukraine-russia.html

Whether people like it or not, that is right out of trump's playbook, and Putin's goal.

NATO was formed as a defensive organization to deter an invasion from Russia into NATO members.

The issue is much more complicated as suggested by this PEW poll:

https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/09/19/modest-declines-in-positive-views-of-socialism-and-capitalism-in-u-s/

From what I see if you have to explain what you mean by "socialism", that is a problem from the start. It is not different then the term "defund the police".