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LiberaBlueDem

(862 posts)
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 09:53 AM Oct 2023

Next speaker of the house will be......

The next speaker wil be a congressperson who can convince all the republicans in the house that they will be happy.

It took McCarthy 15 votes before he could do that. He failed after nine months, so he's out.

I don't think there is anyone who can make all republicans happy

Not in a few weeks or months even. So we will have chaos and more do nothing congress for awhile, which considering the majority and the damage they could do if united, do nothing is good.

The other way is for a few republicans becoming Democrats and voting for Jefferies who can make all the Democrats happy

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Next speaker of the house will be...... (Original Post) LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 OP
they don't have to become Democrats, WhiteTara Oct 2023 #1
If they do vote for Jefferies they will be primaried LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #2
I don't really disagree with you. EndlessWire Oct 2023 #26
Really tho, trump is fading fast LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #28
It seems so simple. Logical, even. dchill Oct 2023 #3
I just hope Jordan doesn't get it BlueKota Oct 2023 #4
Jordan LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #6
That's good. BlueKota Oct 2023 #11
A Republican will be elected Speaker without any Dem votes Polybius Oct 2023 #23
Yes LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #27
Jim Jordan Polybius Oct 2023 #35
They don't need Dem votes Polybius Oct 2023 #22
Excellent point... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #5
If we were a banana republic Biden could disband congress LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #8
If things don't go well... Think. Again. Oct 2023 #10
And who would that be? getagrip_already Oct 2023 #14
I can't think of any good republicans LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #16
But that is our hope, not theirs..... getagrip_already Oct 2023 #17
As the opposition party, I wouldn't mind seeing Jordan in the spot as I truly believe that he is not Chainfire Oct 2023 #7
It will have to be another MAGAT. MTG maybe? Emile Oct 2023 #9
You think emptyG could please all repubs? LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #12
McCarthy, Gym Jordan both MAGAT'S. Emile Oct 2023 #13
It only takes 5 to spoil..... getagrip_already Oct 2023 #15
Steve Scalise is dumb enough. Shit he was shot pwb Oct 2023 #18
A few republicans can vote for Jeffries and work across the aisle to get what they want done FlyingPiggy Oct 2023 #19
At this point, that is the solution LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #21
There is no chance Jeffries is elected speaker during this congress FrankBooth Oct 2023 #25
Silly? Nah LiberaBlueDem Oct 2023 #30
Disagree FrankBooth Oct 2023 #32
That's about as likely as a few Democrats voting for Jordan Polybius Oct 2023 #24
Except we don't have a crazy base pushing to get rid of OUR speaker FlyingPiggy Oct 2023 #29
Doesn't matter Polybius Oct 2023 #34
I disagree FlyingPiggy Oct 2023 #36
You can bookmark it if you like Polybius Oct 2023 #37
I like Hakeem EndlessWire Oct 2023 #20
Know it will Never Happen but it would sure make the maggats madder BlueKota Oct 2023 #31
Nobody's nominating Boobert? Buns_of_Fire Oct 2023 #33

LiberaBlueDem

(862 posts)
2. If they do vote for Jefferies they will be primaried
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 09:59 AM
Oct 2023

One thing to think of is that now that trump is almost finished his hold over the magas in congress fades.

EndlessWire

(6,238 posts)
26. I don't really disagree with you.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:17 PM
Oct 2023

But, I question the part that says that Trump is almost finished, and that his hold over MAGA is done. The Repubs have shown that they are spineless, and that they are afraid of Donald "Two Scoops" Trump. There's nothing about this situation that says Donald is done.

The way you tell that Donald is done is to see the cell door clang shut on him. Then, you'll know.

LiberaBlueDem

(862 posts)
28. Really tho, trump is fading fast
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:22 PM
Oct 2023

Could be excess of hope from me, but in congress he is responsible for McCarthy going out and the Dems with just a slight disadvantage. His main boogers in congress are not well liked.

dchill

(38,080 posts)
3. It seems so simple. Logical, even.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:02 AM
Oct 2023

Now all it needs is for Trump to drop out of the running. Plus, some of them would have to develop some courage.

BlueKota

(1,088 posts)
4. I just hope Jordan doesn't get it
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:03 AM
Oct 2023

I hate him almost as much as tfg and I hate him more than I have ever hated anyone in my life.

LiberaBlueDem

(862 posts)
27. Yes
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:19 PM
Oct 2023

But Mccarthy is gone and that because he didn't get any Dem votes.

Can you name one repub who can get all repub votes? I can't see any. So, if one can get Dems to vote for him and say 10 repubs, he's in. Dems control this now because the magats made a mess.

Think. Again.

(6,133 posts)
5. Excellent point...
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:07 AM
Oct 2023

You write:

"... considering the majority and the damage they could do if united, do nothing is good."

I agree.

We'll be lucky if we just get through the next year and a half with them just putting on their show and staying away from the work part of their jobs.

LiberaBlueDem

(862 posts)
8. If we were a banana republic Biden could disband congress
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:15 AM
Oct 2023

But I think a real centrist non-maga will take speakership.

I am hoping it is Jefferies

getagrip_already

(13,755 posts)
14. And who would that be?
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:37 AM
Oct 2023

They were the ones who participated in the j6 hearings, or who voted to impeach. They are no longer in the house.

Literally ever gop house member who so much as raised a question of impropriety against the orange gangster was driven out, and the rest were silenced and put in line.

There really aren't any even any partially moderate gop members left.

Sure, some like buck will say there is no evidence to impeach, being in a very swing district, but a quick look at his past rhetoric tells the story of very right wing loon. He's trying to play the crowd wherever he is.

The remaining gop members are all nuts at this point.

LiberaBlueDem

(862 posts)
16. I can't think of any good republicans
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:45 AM
Oct 2023

That's why I say Jefferies may be the best hope.

There could be one repub that Jefferies could work with? At least to pass a budget? It is the only hope to get anything done.

getagrip_already

(13,755 posts)
17. But that is our hope, not theirs.....
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:51 AM
Oct 2023

Gaetz is actually trying to burn the house down legislative to cover his tracks and prepare for his run for governor.

He doesn't want there to be a speaker, or any business conducted, or a functioning govt.

That plays into his run for gov.

It also keeps the house from expelling him for being a pedo sex trafficker.

But he has accomplices. And unless 5 gop members cross the aisle and vote for Jeffries, he won't be speaker. You will see musk as speaker before jeffries.

Chainfire

(17,178 posts)
7. As the opposition party, I wouldn't mind seeing Jordan in the spot as I truly believe that he is not
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 10:13 AM
Oct 2023

smart or savvy enough to be an effective leader. I am just glad that Republicans don't have a Pelosi waiting in the wings.

getagrip_already

(13,755 posts)
15. It only takes 5 to spoil.....
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:43 AM
Oct 2023

And with scalese suffering from cancer, Santos about to take a plea deal, McCarthy about not to give a fuck and retire, and gaetz likely to toss a molotov cocktail as he resigns to run for FL governor, that could be down to 1.

Tough to get agreement when you can't lose even one vote.

So bad. Not sad. Oh well, time for popcorn.

FlyingPiggy

(3,352 posts)
19. A few republicans can vote for Jeffries and work across the aisle to get what they want done
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 11:57 AM
Oct 2023

They need to get over this tribalism cult mentality. It’s destructive.

LiberaBlueDem

(862 posts)
21. At this point, that is the solution
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:01 PM
Oct 2023

Democrats hold all the cards, really. No republican can make the magas happy, so the Dems will elect the next speaker.

FrankBooth

(1,596 posts)
25. There is no chance Jeffries is elected speaker during this congress
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:16 PM
Oct 2023

That will not happen, and it's silly to even speculate about it.

I think it'll end up being Stefanik.

LiberaBlueDem

(862 posts)
30. Silly? Nah
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:25 PM
Oct 2023

It is the best hope. Stefanik can't win all the repubs, I don't think any can and only one who can get Dem votes will win.

FrankBooth

(1,596 posts)
32. Disagree
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:36 PM
Oct 2023

Best hope for who? The GOP? I don't think so.


IMO Jeffries would not receive a single GOP vote in the extremely unlikely event he was put up for the speakership. They'll eventually find a way to elect someone without any Dem votes, a la Kevin 15, and Stefanik is as "good" a choice as any of them. IMO, they'd rather go speakerless for the duration of this congress than give Hakeem the speaker position. It's not going to happen.

Polybius

(15,002 posts)
24. That's about as likely as a few Democrats voting for Jordan
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:14 PM
Oct 2023

You just don't vote for someone that you disagree with on 99% of the issues.

EndlessWire

(6,238 posts)
20. I like Hakeem
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:01 PM
Oct 2023

He's smart, he's funny, he's good looking, and his speaking voice is ear candy. He can hold his own. I haven't heard how he feels about it. I think he can be as good as Pelosi. I read that Pelosi may come back, but this will be done by then.

But, if Donald became Speaker, he'd use the time to campaign. He'd have diarrhea of the mouth continuously, and probably tell the Congress what HE wants. He might cause so much alienation that Repubs would change parties. I think we would have to see what would happen.

tRump is like a cancer. You just have to do something about it. I am not sure if that Rule is right or not, that he can't become Speaker. Guess we'll find out about that, too.

I think our Government is fracturing right in front of our faces. I dislike Gaetz so much. Interesting how Donald is praising Marjorie Traitor Greene instead of Gaetz. But, she sucked up in a way that Gaetz can't.

BlueKota

(1,088 posts)
31. Know it will Never Happen but it would sure make the maggats madder
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 12:28 PM
Oct 2023

if it could. Someone on FB Occupy Democrats page suggested someone should nominate Liz Cheney. just to get their 🐐 . She would never get elected, but it sure would be funny to watch.

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