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H2O Man

(73,668 posts)
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 11:26 AM Oct 2023

Rattus rattus

"Truth on our level is a different thing from truth for the jellyfish." -- T. S. Eliot


Yesterday I watched a documentary similar to the great episodes of "Wild Kingdom" I enjoyed many years ago. What was truly amazing was that it was live. It was about a rat attacking a jellyfish. And not just any rat, but a Rattus rattus, commonly known as a "house rat." And the rat attack came in the House against the defenseless, out of water jellyfish.

The disembodied voice of a ournalist said, "This is the first time in history that this has happened." That is correct. However, had he been Richard Marlin Perkins, that journalist might have connected some kind of recent events with another House rat, at least it qualifies as pretty recent if you are my age.

Newt Gingrich resigned from being Speaker before getting booted out. He had qualities much closer to Gaetz's than that of the jellyfish. Newt used timing to become the Speaker of the House, and he had more juice in the party than Matt does. But Gaetz thinks that now is his time to make a bold move within the republican's aquarium.

Advocating government shut-downs? Newt led two in 28 days. He thought that would be evidence of his being a populist rat. He was also convinced that impeaching President Clinton would result in republican picking up 30+ seats. But he was wrong when thinking that the common family would embrace a rat in their house.

No, house rats are actually destructive. They spread germs and viruses similar to those left on a theater seat by Lauren Boebert. They leave a stench.

Now, while Gaetz is of a lower intellectual capacity than Newt, we can recognize their goals as the same: a combination of self-promotion and a desire to destroy the federal government. Both have tried to rapidly increase the rat population in the House. Yet, as we know, when Rattus rattus over-populate, they begin to fight among themselves. Rats such as Majorie Taylor Greene and Lauren Boebert provide an example.

After watching the vicious rat attack, I saw the corpse of the jellyfish talk to reporters. It was half-Richard Nixon's bitter 1962 concession press conference, and half- Sponge Bob Square Pants. Thus, it was funny, but not really funny.

Needing something to make me laugh loudly, I next watched the defendent's deposition with the NYS Attorney General's Office. If you haven't watched it yet, I promise it is a giggle.

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Rattus rattus (Original Post) H2O Man Oct 2023 OP
That was so well written, and hilarious because it was so accurate Walleye Oct 2023 #1
I had to try H2O Man Oct 2023 #3
Boy, if you had written this with a goal to show the negative about the (R)attus decay erronis Oct 2023 #32
Thanks! H2O Man Oct 2023 #34
Perfect! leftieNanner Oct 2023 #2
Gaetz is aggressively H2O Man Oct 2023 #5
That he keeps getting elected says a lot leftieNanner Oct 2023 #7
Exactly! H2O Man Oct 2023 #9
...corpse of the jellyfish.... yardwork Oct 2023 #4
If it had been H2O Man Oct 2023 #6
I have no sympathy for any of this GOP crew. yardwork Oct 2023 #8
I remember back H2O Man Oct 2023 #10
It seems that most of the venerable M$M must be on the take also. erronis Oct 2023 #33
Perhaps I should H2O Man Oct 2023 #35
If you do, tell them I'll keep up my subscriptions if they publish your piece. erronis Oct 2023 #37
Thanks! H2O Man Oct 2023 #40
There's a whole school of jellyfish on the rethuglican side of the House Bayard Oct 2023 #11
That's it! H2O Man Oct 2023 #13
Excellent as always. Thanks for the laughs H2O man! livetohike Oct 2023 #12
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2023 #14
"Handed up" is a nice way of seeing it Easterncedar Oct 2023 #42
Your essay is worthy of the great Saoirse9 Oct 2023 #15
Thanks! H2O Man Oct 2023 #16
Thank you for your brilliant essay Wild blueberry Oct 2023 #17
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2023 #24
Oh, well done, H2O Man Hekate Oct 2023 #18
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2023 #25
Lovely essay... thank you !!!!! Karadeniz Oct 2023 #19
Thanks! H2O Man Oct 2023 #26
Not all rats are created equal. Kid Berwyn Oct 2023 #20
Nice! H2O Man Oct 2023 #27
Rats? Catch rats. Kid Berwyn Oct 2023 #38
That it is! H2O Man Oct 2023 #39
Excellent summation! 2naSalit Oct 2023 #21
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2023 #28
This is one for the ages mahina Oct 2023 #22
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2023 #29
I hope theater management disinfected the seat Martin Eden Oct 2023 #23
I hope that H2O Man Oct 2023 #30
THAT was a thing of beauty! nolabear Oct 2023 #31
Very good! H2O Man Oct 2023 #36
Perfect metaphor Easterncedar Oct 2023 #41
I remember that Newt H2O Man Oct 2023 #43
I feel the same Easterncedar Oct 2023 #48
Good post. One quibble. Caliman73 Oct 2023 #44
Respectfully disagree. H2O Man Oct 2023 #45
I can see your point. We don't disagree. Just have different semantics. Caliman73 Oct 2023 #47
You are making H2O Man Oct 2023 #49
Perfect sense. Caliman73 Oct 2023 #51
K&R spanone Oct 2023 #46
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2023 #50

erronis

(15,447 posts)
32. Boy, if you had written this with a goal to show the negative about the (R)attus decay
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 02:21 PM
Oct 2023

it would have been impossible to read without disinfectant.

Great piece!!!

leftieNanner

(15,191 posts)
2. Perfect!
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 11:48 AM
Oct 2023

Matt the Rat has designs on the Governor's House in Florida.

I guess he thinks this behavior will polish his brand.

Can't rightly polish a turd, though.

H2O Man

(73,668 posts)
5. Gaetz is aggressively
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 11:52 AM
Oct 2023

obnoxious. As old as I am, I find my brain saying, "Left jab, right cross, left hook." Just enough to flush him from the House.

leftieNanner

(15,191 posts)
7. That he keeps getting elected says a lot
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 11:55 AM
Oct 2023

I used to think that public service was a part of politics. And for some, it still is.

H2O Man

(73,668 posts)
9. Exactly!
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 12:01 PM
Oct 2023

It must be due to fears and hatreds. No one could actually like him, could they?

There was a time when there were republicans that I could respect, while disagreeing with them. Often strongly disagreeing. But those fears and hatreds of the republicans have put totally unqualified, self-promoting rats in the House.

H2O Man

(73,668 posts)
6. If it had been
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 11:54 AM
Oct 2023

someone I liked -- even someone I only kind of disliked -- I'd have felt bad for him. But I confess that I did not. Not even a little bit.

yardwork

(61,752 posts)
8. I have no sympathy for any of this GOP crew.
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 12:00 PM
Oct 2023

I think a lot of them have accepted dark money from the Russians and Saudis and who knows who else. They don't bother to try to do their jobs. It's all a big grift to them. I can't stand their uninformed, dim witted "opinions" that are bought and sold by billionaires.

They remind me of the dumb mean kids in middle school who hung around with bullies. They don't have enough initiative to even be bullies themselves. They're bully-helpers.

H2O Man

(73,668 posts)
10. I remember back
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 12:07 PM
Oct 2023

in 2016. My late brother confessed that he had felt sorry for Jeb Bush when the defendent was assaulting him on stage in the republican primaries. Neither of us had thought it was possible to feel bad for a Bush, but the sad look on Jeb's refrigerator-sized head was indeed pathetic.

I know that the republicans take foreign cash ..... a few years back, it was being funneled through the NRA. They always find a way, for that is what criminals do.

In Erich Fromm's book on sociopaths with political power, he noted how their gravity pulled anti-social individuals into their orbit. The bully-helpers that you spoke of.

erronis

(15,447 posts)
33. It seems that most of the venerable M$M must be on the take also.
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 02:25 PM
Oct 2023

I can think of no reason that orgs like WaPo and the tired Old Grey Lady NYT can't cover these things objectively - unless money/blackmail is involved.

Thank gawdess for The Guardian and ProPublica.

erronis

(15,447 posts)
37. If you do, tell them I'll keep up my subscriptions if they publish your piece.
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 03:56 PM
Oct 2023

I don't know enough about the business but I'm betting a few other outlets might be interested.

Online, Digsby, Rolling Stone, others may like a guest editorial such as this.

Good luck, waterman!

Bayard

(22,209 posts)
11. There's a whole school of jellyfish on the rethuglican side of the House
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 12:08 PM
Oct 2023

Too afraid to stand up against the rats.

H2O Man

(73,668 posts)
13. That's it!
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 12:13 PM
Oct 2023

That is exactly it.

It reminds me of my Dad telling me how cowardly people were during the infamous McCarthy Hearings of yesteryear. Spineless as jellyfish.

livetohike

(22,169 posts)
12. Excellent as always. Thanks for the laughs H2O man!
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 12:09 PM
Oct 2023

It’s been such pleasure reading your essays all these years (Mar 2004). You’ve kept me sane.

H2O Man

(73,668 posts)
14. Thank you!
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 12:16 PM
Oct 2023

I appreciate that!

As I watched the House hearing, I found myself thinking, "This is real. It is happening in the country I live in, that my children live in, the one my grandchildren are having handed up to them." It is up to us to put an end to this madness.

Saoirse9

(3,687 posts)
15. Your essay is worthy of the great
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 12:23 PM
Oct 2023

Thaddeus Stevens himself. Stevens was a great wit and the king of the intelligent insult. I am reading simultaneously “Team of Rivals “ by Doris Kearns Goodwin and Gore Vidal’s Lincoln. Stevens was both admired and feared for his great wit. And he was damn funny. Funny people are always very intelligent.

I am mildly curious about which rat will be elected speaker now that the chief rat has been ousted by one of the lesser rats.

If they had an ounce of sense they would allow Hakeem Jeffries to preside over the rats and their esteemed counterparts on the non-rat side.

But they haven’t got an ounce of sense between them. So it will be more rat fucking until all the rats are voted out.

H2O Man

(73,668 posts)
16. Thanks!
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 12:31 PM
Oct 2023

Jeffries is a good man, which excludes him from that position until we crush the republicans in 2024. And that is really sad to think about. The next 13 months will be rough. But it should help to convince the public that there are rats infesting our House, and I think that Jeffries set some traps yesterday.

H2O Man

(73,668 posts)
24. Thank you!
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 01:44 PM
Oct 2023

I was listening to the Beatles' "Hey, Jude" at the time I began typing this. Paul's line "take a sad song, and make it better" influenced my thinking.

When I was a kid, there were acres of wild blueberries on my father's land. Though we lived quite rurally, neighbors picked there for hours and hours. The Iroquois had burned the mountain, and the forest had not reclaimed the fields yet. Those were the days!

H2O Man

(73,668 posts)
25. Thank you!
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 01:53 PM
Oct 2023

I wasn't sure how many people here would remember Wild Kingdom. I'm not sure the program ever had the same level of intense violence as we saw yesterday. And I'm certain that there wasn't so much hate.

H2O Man

(73,668 posts)
27. Nice!
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 01:55 PM
Oct 2023

If memory serves me correctly, this sub-species was called "rat-fuckers" during the Nixon years. It is one of the few creatures that should face extinction.

Kid Berwyn

(15,040 posts)
38. Rats? Catch rats.
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 04:27 PM
Oct 2023

Like the alley behind the unregulated butcher's, the freaking Internet is crawling with them.



Roger Stone and ‘Ratf—ing’: A Short History

The flamboyant political aide is often tagged with the term. But its origins—and Stone’s relationship with the word—are complicated.


By BEN ZIMMER January 25, 2019

Roger Stone, now under indictment on several counts related to special counsel Robert Mueller’s investigation into Russian meddling in the 2016 presidential election, has always reveled in being a political mischief-maker. It’s a reputation he has burnished since he was 19 years old, when he was involved in the “dirty tricks” operation of Richard Nixon’s 1972 reelection campaign. More recently, he bragged publicly about purported contacts with WikiLeaks during the 2016 campaign, the subject of Friday’s indictment.

When asked in the 2017 documentary Get Me Roger Stone why he has embraced the role of “dirty trickster,” he shrugged and said, “Well, I’m stuck with it now. It’s going to be in the first paragraph of my New York Times obit, so I might as well go with the flow.”

“Dirty trickster” is one thing. But Stone, who says he will plead not guilty to the charges against him, hasn’t been so eager to embrace another, more profane Nixon-era label with which he’s often tagged: “ratfucker,” or a political operator who engages in roguish behind-the-scenes behavior to undermine rivals. He’s inexorably linked to the term, even if he doesn’t like it. “Stone’s specialty is being a ‘ratfucker,’” wrote Will Greenberg of Mother Jones in 2017. Abigail Tracy of Vanity Fair called him a “professional ratfucker” last year—a description echoed by the Law & Crime website after Friday’s indictment.

Where did the word “ratfucking” come from, and how did Stone become one of its prime targets?

As first recounted by Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein in All the President’s Men, the term “ratfucking” entered the lingo of the Nixon campaign thanks to Donald Segretti, who was hired by his old college friend, Dwight Chapin, to sabotage the campaigns of Democrats running in the 1972 primaries. As undergraduates at the University of Southern California, Segretti and Chapin, along with other future Nixon staffers including press secretary Ron Ziegler, had been involved in a group called Trojans for Representative Government that gleefully engaged in shady tactics to win campus elections.

“The Trojans called their brand of electioneering ‘ratfucking,’” wrote Woodward and Bernstein. “Ballot boxes were stuffed, spies were planted in the opposition camp, and bogus campaign literature abounded.”

CONTINUED...

https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2019/01/25/roger-stone-and-rating-a-short-history-224218/

Big. Big fucking rats. And good dogs know what to do with them after catching them.

H2O Man

(73,668 posts)
39. That it is!
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 05:05 PM
Oct 2023

The internet is infested with them.

Since the family farms around me closed, the neighborhood's "barn cats" have been hanging out in my garage. Some full-time, others apparently only stopping in for cat conventions. They do a pretty good job at getting rid of rodents.

Martin Eden

(12,882 posts)
23. I hope theater management disinfected the seat
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 01:33 PM
Oct 2023

After Boebert and her consort were escorted out.
(thanks for the )

A more thorough cleansing and stronger disinfectant will be required to e-rat-icate the current stench in the US House of Representatives.

nolabear

(42,001 posts)
31. THAT was a thing of beauty!
Wed Oct 4, 2023, 02:10 PM
Oct 2023

I’m so full of schadenfreude I’m burping giggles. You added the cherry on top!

Easterncedar

(2,363 posts)
41. Perfect metaphor
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 08:12 AM
Oct 2023

Newt’s legacy is weirdly hard to eliminate. Like the stench of rats inside.

The speaker pro tem is one of his corrupt followers, too, I understand.

H2O Man

(73,668 posts)
43. I remember that Newt
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 01:04 PM
Oct 2023

accompanied VP Cheney to CIA HQ to try to pressure analysts to "conclude" that Iraq had WMDs, etc. And that wasn't many years after he had resigned in disgrace. So the severe damage he did to the House and to the country was not concluded with what should have been the end of his political career.

Without Newt, I do not think it would be possible to have Gaetz, MTG, or Boebert. Despite these three being far less intellectually capable than Newt, he opened the way for them to serve as agents of putrefaction of the federal goverment. It has created a toxic stench.

Every so often, I see some television news show has Newt on as a guest, as if he is an elder statesman. I coud vomit. But I turn to something else first.

Caliman73

(11,760 posts)
44. Good post. One quibble.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 01:32 PM
Oct 2023

You said, "Now, while Gaetz is of a lower intellectual capacity than Newt, we can recognize their goals as the same: a combination of self-promotion and a desire to destroy the federal government."

I disagree that they want to "destroy" the Federal government. They want to REPURPOSE the Federal government and have wanted to do so since 1933 when FDR significantly expanded the role of the Federal Government to actually help the average American. The wealthy Conservatives hated it so much they actually plotted a coup against FDR. Conservative also worked with the German government to foment right wing insurrection plots throughout the 1930's and 1940's, likely as a result of the role of the government expanding and their loss of complete dominance over society.

People like Gaetz, Gingrich, and every Conservative since at least Ronald Reagan's time, have SAID, they want to reduce the size of government, BUT they have ALL expanded it. They want do reduce the size of the government that helps poor, working, and middle class people. They have NO problems expanding ANY part of government that would protect the property of the wealthy and control the choices of the rest of us.

Obviously "destroy" the government is much more catchy and holds interest. I felt accuracy was needed. Liberals use government to try to create equitable and sustainable growth to improve the lives of as many people as possible. Conservatives use government to install and maintain a hierarchical form of society where those who deserve the best, get the best and the rest of us make due.

H2O Man

(73,668 posts)
45. Respectfully disagree.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 02:04 PM
Oct 2023

I think that "destroy" is a more accurate term than "repurpose." I think it fits in the context that you describe -- they want to destroy the federal government's attempts, from the programs of such leaders as FDR and LBJ, to assist the middle and lower economic classes. Indeed, there can be a lot of money made by parts of the "upper" economic class's investments in poverty.

The expressed idea of creating a more perfect union involves the struggle for making things better for more people in every generation. That is -- along with national defense -- the purpose of government ...... to serve "the people," not a tiny minority of people. To go back to the 19th century, there was the Golden Age, followed by the Gilded Age. Between 1865 and 1900, for example, politicians gave the railroad barons more land than the combined states of Illinois, Indiana, Michigan, Ohio, and Wisconsin .... and it is important to keep in mind that the land belonged to other groups of people, and really wasn't the politicians to give.

Today, of course, while railroads still play an important role, they are not the newest cutting edge of technology. Those seeking to make the country into a "less perfect union" do want to use the parts of government that are allowing them to create a high-tech feudalism. And that requires the destruction of institutions, which involves repurposing them in the most un-American ways.

Caliman73

(11,760 posts)
47. I can see your point. We don't disagree. Just have different semantics.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 02:46 PM
Oct 2023

I would argue that Conservatives have NEVER wanted to make a "more perfect Union". Conservatives would have been the Royalists or "Loyalists" in the American Revolution, the ones who wanted to remain a British Colony and fought for the Crown during the war. Granted, they had to adopt the new form of government, however, they have always sought to maintain a hierarchy in the similar vein.

Destroy and repurpose or destroy by repurposing. Either way, Conservatism as a political ideology, and its political vehicle, the Republican Party need to go.

H2O Man

(73,668 posts)
49. You are making
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 04:22 PM
Oct 2023

valid points, and actually if you said "destroy," I'd have said "repurpose." For DU used to have more frequent and serious discussions. Plus every male on my paternal side for all the generations I know of have a compulsive need to debate, evenwhen in full agreement with another's point of view.

My next point would be Steve Bannon. He is influential with the nitwits in the House, etc. He has openly identified his goal as "dismantling" the federal goverment, his variation of "repurpose" or "destroy." He was among those who promoted the January 6 violence in Washington. He and the other criminals involved might claim they were merely trying to repurpose the election system, and in a very real sense, for what you and I agree on: for their own benefit.

Anyhow, I am really enjoying this conversation. I hope my response makes sense, as I had a phone call from my daughter in the middle of it.

Caliman73

(11,760 posts)
51. Perfect sense.
Thu Oct 5, 2023, 04:41 PM
Oct 2023

Language is important. As you said destroy, dismantle, and other such words are more "manly" for those "manly men" in the Conservative movement.

It may also rally people on our side who may think that there is some benefit to having a "non-destroyed" Federal government.

I have in the last year or so, tried to put out the narrative that the Conservative movement is full of crap. They are lying when they put out their policy platitudes of "small government", "family values", and "fiscal responsibility". The size of government is not as important to them as its function. They want a tiny regulatory apparatus so that the wealthy polluters can continue to pass on the costs of their business to us. They wouldn't care at all if the government was large enough to enforce their preferred morality. This brings me to "family values"... that just means imposing patriarcal, christian dominionist rules on the rest of us. Rules they wouldn't have to follow, just like the commoner got put into the "stocks" if they transgressed, but the nobility could have affairs, intrigue, etc... Fiscal responsibility just means that they don't want to give one penny to helping the poor, working, and middle classes. They will and do spend 700 plus billion dollars on military spending every year. That budget NEVER goes down, but they want to cut any and every social spending program.

They do, as you said, want to destroy the New Deal, the Great Society, the Square Deal, and any other program where the government actually protects anything but the wealth and property of the richest people.

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