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Asked the young lady cashier if she votes (Original Post) LiberaBlueDem Sep 2023 OP
Keep talkin', LiberaBlueDem! This is a cool way to make a difference. fierywoman Sep 2023 #1
Good for you DavidDvorkin Sep 2023 #2
Yes, the one-on-one approach is the best LiberaBlueDem Sep 2023 #15
just curious, did you know what she was making? ecstatic Sep 2023 #3
They make 11 an hour at that store LiberaBlueDem Sep 2023 #5
ok! Thanks for all you do! ecstatic Sep 2023 #7
It's a fine line LiberaBlueDem Sep 2023 #9
"We have to be the media" is the powerful truth. JudyM Sep 2023 #11
I hope she was not making $18 per hour. Nt spooky3 Sep 2023 #4
Been talking to the kids about what they make LiberaBlueDem Sep 2023 #6
I remember Clinton and motor voter LiberaBlueDem Sep 2023 #8
I shut down one person using a GOP talking point regarding minimum wage, years ago. 4lbs Sep 2023 #10
If minimum wage goes up, the floor of other wages will, also. haele Sep 2023 #12
Making Them Think About It RobinA Sep 2023 #13
Michael Steele was on the post-debate MSNBC show last night and he said.. IcyPeas Sep 2023 #14


(32,409 posts)
3. just curious, did you know what she was making?
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 11:21 PM
Sep 2023

Because if she's making more than $15 then the surprised look could be a bad thing.


(862 posts)
5. They make 11 an hour at that store
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 11:26 PM
Sep 2023

There are a few places that pay the minimum at less than 8
If they knew that Dems would have them making 15 at minimum, well, you can guess who'd they vote for, yes?


(32,409 posts)
7. ok! Thanks for all you do!
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 11:30 PM
Sep 2023

I admit, I don't initiate political conversations with complete strangers but if someone brought it up to me, I hope I'd be able to say something to quickly change his/her mind.


(862 posts)
9. It's a fine line
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 11:34 PM
Sep 2023

I have no problem talking Dem politics with anyone anytime anywhere but if you make them mad they could be trumpers

Stick to the facts about Dems and they are impressed. We have to be the media


(862 posts)
6. Been talking to the kids about what they make
Wed Sep 27, 2023, 11:29 PM
Sep 2023

It's a pitiful amount
But they just didn't know about Dems and what we can do for them


(6,665 posts)
10. I shut down one person using a GOP talking point regarding minimum wage, years ago.
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 01:09 AM
Sep 2023

They were complaining about the minimum wage and how if it were around $15 or so, then a full-time cashier would make almost as much as an EMT. This was back when California was going to increase the min wage in phases, starting with $15 per hour.

Based on 2000 hours for a year (50 weeks at 40 hours per week), that is $30,000 for cashiers, $36,000 per year for an EMT back then (around $18 per hour then).

I responded, "Umm... ok, but why should EMTs be paid that low?"

He came back with "They shouldn't. They should be paid a lot more than that."

I then said, "Ok, so why aren't you banging the drum about increasing EMT wages, instead of complaining about the state minimum wage, since regardless, an ambulance ride can cost $1200, $1500, or $2000 or more?"

They shut up after that, because I completely refuted one of their talking points, and made them... umm... THINK about it.


(12,547 posts)
12. If minimum wage goes up, the floor of other wages will, also.
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 01:33 PM
Sep 2023

That's pretty much a given.
Problem is that sometimes in the mid '80's, the unions pretty much unanimously and unwisely agreed to lowering the floor for new hires in return for "better benefits". Within a decade that turned into wage stagnation up and down the employee sector, not only in union jobs and "lower level" professional and technical jobs. It didn't help that the federal government pegged it's labor costs to match the private sector, which led to a vicious circle as employees found they couldn't demand higher wages based on competition between public and private wages - only benefits.

In 1989, a union shipyard journeyman welder started at $18 an hour, electricians at $15. In 2009, it was $21/$17 an hour.
Keeping up with minimum wage. Didn't matter that technologies, training, and standards had changed, or if their responsibilities had increased - there was little push or incentive for the employers to raise wages.

Even consultants faced stagnation, though much of that had to do with gluts of graduates in technical fields - when a software or computer network consultant could negotiate $150 to $300 an hour to come in and "fix" a corporation's problem in 1990, now they're looking at $75 to $150 an hour, plus a nominal "service fee" to come out.

If minimum wage doesn't rise, there's nothing to bargain against. And businesses that don't look after or value their employees enough to pay legitimate compensation for the profit they get off employee labor are not going to be motivated to keep wages in line with both inflation and profits.



(9,850 posts)
13. Making Them Think About It
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 02:12 PM
Sep 2023

always shuts them down. "How about those WMDs that Iraq had?" Uh..... "How has Biden made the price of gas go up?" Um..... "In what ways is Obama a socialist?" Ehhhh....


(21,551 posts)
14. Michael Steele was on the post-debate MSNBC show last night and he said..
Thu Sep 28, 2023, 02:58 PM
Sep 2023

something like that... that the democrats don't get their message out. Gavin Newsom said something similar too.

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