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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAsked the young lady cashier if she votes
She said yes, she registered at the DMV when getting her license
I mentioned to her that if Democrats had their way she'd be making $15 an hour. She looked surprised. She did not know that.
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fierywoman
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DavidDvorkin
(19,641 posts)I guess it's true that we aren't doing enough to get our message out.
LiberaBlueDem
(1,071 posts)Word of mouth advertising is the best kind
ecstatic
(33,504 posts)Because if she's making more than $15 then the surprised look could be a bad thing.
LiberaBlueDem
(1,071 posts)There are a few places that pay the minimum at less than 8
If they knew that Dems would have them making 15 at minimum, well, you can guess who'd they vote for, yes?
ecstatic
(33,504 posts)I admit, I don't initiate political conversations with complete strangers but if someone brought it up to me, I hope I'd be able to say something to quickly change his/her mind.
LiberaBlueDem
(1,071 posts)I have no problem talking Dem politics with anyone anytime anywhere but if you make them mad they could be trumpers
Stick to the facts about Dems and they are impressed. We have to be the media
JudyM
(29,431 posts)Way to go, LBD!
spooky3
(35,067 posts)LiberaBlueDem
(1,071 posts)It's a pitiful amount
But they just didn't know about Dems and what we can do for them
LiberaBlueDem
(1,071 posts)Good lord did the republicans fight that idea.
4lbs
(7,051 posts)They were complaining about the minimum wage and how if it were around $15 or so, then a full-time cashier would make almost as much as an EMT. This was back when California was going to increase the min wage in phases, starting with $15 per hour.
Based on 2000 hours for a year (50 weeks at 40 hours per week), that is $30,000 for cashiers, $36,000 per year for an EMT back then (around $18 per hour then).
I responded, "Umm... ok, but why should EMTs be paid that low?"
He came back with "They shouldn't. They should be paid a lot more than that."
I then said, "Ok, so why aren't you banging the drum about increasing EMT wages, instead of complaining about the state minimum wage, since regardless, an ambulance ride can cost $1200, $1500, or $2000 or more?"
They shut up after that, because I completely refuted one of their talking points, and made them... umm... THINK about it.
haele
(12,939 posts)That's pretty much a given.
Problem is that sometimes in the mid '80's, the unions pretty much unanimously and unwisely agreed to lowering the floor for new hires in return for "better benefits". Within a decade that turned into wage stagnation up and down the employee sector, not only in union jobs and "lower level" professional and technical jobs. It didn't help that the federal government pegged it's labor costs to match the private sector, which led to a vicious circle as employees found they couldn't demand higher wages based on competition between public and private wages - only benefits.
In 1989, a union shipyard journeyman welder started at $18 an hour, electricians at $15. In 2009, it was $21/$17 an hour.
Keeping up with minimum wage. Didn't matter that technologies, training, and standards had changed, or if their responsibilities had increased - there was little push or incentive for the employers to raise wages.
Even consultants faced stagnation, though much of that had to do with gluts of graduates in technical fields - when a software or computer network consultant could negotiate $150 to $300 an hour to come in and "fix" a corporation's problem in 1990, now they're looking at $75 to $150 an hour, plus a nominal "service fee" to come out.
If minimum wage doesn't rise, there's nothing to bargain against. And businesses that don't look after or value their employees enough to pay legitimate compensation for the profit they get off employee labor are not going to be motivated to keep wages in line with both inflation and profits.
Haele
RobinA
(9,997 posts)always shuts them down. "How about those WMDs that Iraq had?" Uh..... "How has Biden made the price of gas go up?" Um..... "In what ways is Obama a socialist?" Ehhhh....
IcyPeas
(22,192 posts)something like that... that the democrats don't get their message out. Gavin Newsom said something similar too.