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When Rosevony Duroseau turned 47 last year, her brother and sister-in-law hosted a small surprise party to celebrate.
Dr. Yves Duroseau, chair of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Manhattans Lenox Hill Hospital, and his designer wife, Claude, had about 15 guests over on Sept. 17, 2022a Saturday eveningfor a nine-course dinner in the back garden of their gracious Forest Hills home. The occasion was especially joyous for Rosevony, who had recently gotten engaged.
Yves, who in 2020 was the first physician in the U.S. to receive the COVID vaccine, and Rosevony, a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) asylum officer based out of Washington, D.C., are Haitian-American, and all but one of the guests at the gathering were Black or Latino. Among them were friends of Rosevonys from Fordham Law School, where she earned her J.D., along with attorneys from the Justice Departments Civil Rights Division and New York State Gov. Kathy Hochuls administration, two bank executives, a New Jersey public schools administrator, at least one public defender, high-powered music industry player Rigo Morales, who co-founded the Recording Academys Black Music Collective, and Rosevonys fiancé, the co-founder and CEO of a cybersecurity risk management consultancy. The meal was catered by chef Vanessa Cantave, 2011 winner of Bravo cooking competition show, Roccos Dinner Party.
But as things started to draw to a close, an unidentified white woman showed up with a large, menacing German Shepherd, and demanded that the music playing in the backyard be turned down, according to an astonishing civil lawsuit obtained by The Daily Beast.
When the effort to silence Plaintiffs and end their celebration apparently didnt happen fast enough, the party abruptly and forcefully ended when a white neighbor grabbed his backyard hose and started hosing the guests to get them to dispersecreating a scene reminiscent of 1960s Birmingham, Alabama, when White law enforcement officers used fire hoses to douse, assault and batter African Americans participating in civil rights demonstrations in an attempt to get them to comply and disperse, the complaint states.
https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-neighbor-allegedly-hoses-down-prominent-black-dinner-party-guests?ref=home
You'd think it was FloriDUH. Or Texass
2naSalit
(86,637 posts)Enjoy having their asses sued off. People like that are everywhere.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,355 posts)How many stories do we have to read until we come to terms with the fact that racism is everywhere?
Aristus
(66,380 posts)when the subject comes up, there's a reason for it. Emmett Till wasn't murdered in Vermont.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,355 posts)Aristus
(66,380 posts)It's worth asking why...
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,355 posts)a southern thing.
Aristus
(66,380 posts)Do they wish it had been institutionalized, like in the South? Do they resent that erstwhile Northern slave states voluntarily voted to abolish enslavement?
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,355 posts)Blackness, white supremacy, anti-urbanism, anti-government sentiment, anti-elitism and so on.
LeftInTX
(25,364 posts)They were used to living in all-white areas and never dealt with blacks until housing laws were changed. All of a sudden black people were in their neighborhoods and they revolted.
Additionally, in small-town, Wisconsin, I had a bunch of classmates who had never seen a black person in real life!! They had never seen one, ever!
My dad didn't like my BF, so he said to him, "Why don't you get a job in Milwaukee?" BF said, "I don't wanna be around n_______"
prodigitalson
(2,423 posts)I thought/assumed/hoped that white racism wouldn't be as prevalent. What I found were white people who were racist against everyone but their specific white ethnic group. I found Poles who hated Italians vice versa. Of course they didn't like black or brown people either.
LeftInTX
(25,364 posts)LiberalFighter
(50,942 posts)honeylady
(157 posts)I've googled the doctor's name and can find only The Daily Beast article and one from the Messenger.com.
It just seems too outrageous and stereotyped to be true.
There are lots of links about his credentials but nothing in the headline to indicate that there is anything else.
we can do it
(12,186 posts)yardwork
(61,622 posts)Multiple sites show him as an emergency medicine physician practicing in New York, and there are also articles about his receiving the COVID vaccine. And there is a feature story from 2009 on him in The New Yorker. There doesn't seem to be anything suspicious there.
Why do you doubt the story?
honeylady
(157 posts)yardwork
(61,622 posts)I agree that it's good to wait for corroboration.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,355 posts)Otto_Harper
(509 posts)Yves Michel Duroseau, MD, MPH
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Shermanator
(35 posts)The person said there were a lot of hits about his credentials but very few hits about this particular incident.
Hekate
(90,708 posts)Its like the time a black minister was arrested watering a vacationing parishioners front yard. Birthday parties and family BBQs in public parks broken up, because how dare black and brown Americans show their faces in public.
Its not a stereotype when it is true on a daily basis across the country.
cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)when trying to verify particularly egregious stories like this one. It isn't an effort to deny racism; it's to make sure we lefties aren't doing what the RW does: promulgate outrageous stories that turn out to be not quite what they were presented as.
For example, I wonder why this hasn't been reported by large media outlets--it's such an awful event that I think it should be national news, especially since prominent people are involved.
I've tried to track down stories similar to this one, stories so outrageous and infuriating that you would think there would be national reporting, interviews on major news outlets, and follow-up stories telling what the results of this criminal assault were--arrests? lawsuits? Is there a record of police being called, and their response?
I guess we'll see what transpires, but like you I am suspicious of stories that enrage but are difficult to track down. I'd like to see a statement from one of the principals available *somewhere*--even on the outlets that publicized this story.
Hekate
(90,708 posts)cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)a civil suit has been filed:
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23980967-duroseau-at-al-v-rosebrock-et-al
Hekate
(90,708 posts)cyclonefence
(4,483 posts)happy feet
(869 posts)There are stories much worse than this of racism.
SpankMe
(2,957 posts)This doc was uploaded by the Daily Beast article author. I can't find the actual filing on the NY Courts web site. But, the upload from Daily Beast is at least something.
Plus, the issue is brand new. Maybe in a few more days there'll be more articles on it as word gets out.
mercuryblues
(14,532 posts)MagickMuffin
(15,943 posts)They exist everywhere. Why I bet there are plenty in the state you live in.
marybourg
(12,631 posts)MenloParque
(512 posts)That but these assholes have tons of $$ for military grade auto firearms in 223 all the way up to 50cal. Yeah they absolutely talk loudly amongst themselves about militia training in the Sierra Nevadas. Seriously thinking of moving up the coast to Vancouver, BC. I love it there.
uponit7771
(90,346 posts)Quakerfriend
(5,450 posts)German Shepherd with her & the guy with the hose, WTH!
However, I will admit that I am mortified when my large Latino family thinks its OK to play their music at outdoor gatherings. It is always way too loud & imo very inconsiderate of the neighbors. It is so rude!
In my culture that is unacceptable.
Demobrat
(8,980 posts)what time it was when the party goers were asked to quiet down.
Of course the neighbors methods were unacceptable. But so are loud, outdoor parties that make it impossible for people to sleep.
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)The civil lawsuit is here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23980967-duroseau-at-al-v-rosebrock-et-al
(It's kindly provided by The Daily Beast in their article.)
You'd be amazed what you can learn in the OP links.
Demobrat
(8,980 posts)Point made. Time to shut it down.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)10:00 pm is not late, and it was winding down by then.
I think it's completely unreasonable to expect people to be quiet all the time. I like the sound of outdoor music on a nice evening. But we have become a closed society, putting on ear buds or head phones and retreating from everyone.
It sounds like a joyous occasion, with happy noise. In another country, this wouldn't have been an issue. This is a very American response.
Demobrat
(8,980 posts)Where I live everyone tries to be considerate. Thank goodness.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)or even the type of music being played. But I enjoy music on a pleasant evening. I don't have a yard (I am in an apartment), but there is a cabin we stay in fairly often and I find it very relaxing and convivial when I hear the sound of music drifting through the air, whether it's from an outdoor event in the village or the neighbors having a party. I think being sociable contributes to mental well-being. I am sorry you can't find a way to enjoy someone else having an occasional outdoor gathering.
Demobrat
(8,980 posts)and very grateful that the people around me dont believe that forcing their neighbors to listen to the music of their choice should make said neighbors happy.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)I enjoy it when other people do, though.
Demobrat
(8,980 posts)What about if I have to get up for work at six, and the music is still blasting at ten? Am I still obligated to enjoy it?
Skittles
(153,164 posts)I work all night - getting woke up by inconsiderate assholes happens quite regularly.
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Demobrat
(8,980 posts)in an upscale neighborhood. They couldn't possibly be inconsiderate assholes.
Skittles
(153,164 posts)Response to Skittles (Reply #71)
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LisaM
(27,813 posts)Yes, I think people should occasionally be able to house outdoor events in their own back yards in nice weather.
It's better than a former neighbor I had who seemed to think that the entire weekend, starting at about 7:00 a.m., was for running power tools in his driveway. However, I never set a dog on him or hosed him down. I never even complained to him, even though weekends were my chance to sleep in and I can't stand the noise of power tools.
We are clearly not going to agree, so I hope you have a nice week.
mainer
(12,022 posts)These weren't wild and crazy teenagers. These were professionals with distinguished careers, so I agree with you. I can't imagine it was rowdy enough to deserve the fire-hosing they got. And it wasn't even 10 PM yet when the neighbors came at them.
Hekate
(90,708 posts)Considering the careers of all the people involved in the party, my guess is their neighborhood also has plenty of space between houses. But even if it were a neighborhood of small homes, everyone is entitled to the enjoyment of the outdoor space, including on occasion a party.
Nowhere does it state that the couple hosting the party does this every weekend, nor does it imply that they are drunken brawlers. It just sounds happy.
10:00 pm on a Saturday night is not unreasonable, by any stretch of the imagination. Closing up at midnight would be fine 1:00 am would be beyond bounds. Thats Normal.
yardwork
(61,622 posts)Demobrat
(8,980 posts)or at least move it inside. People work.
LeftInTX
(25,364 posts)Just joking. I know what you mean.
Bar B Que!!!
Forget about camping......That's even noisier...
I used to host La Leche meetings at my house. Next door neighbor said, "Invite me to your next bunco party". I had to explain that it was a breastfeeding group. She sure gave me a weird look, then she didn't want her husband talking to me cuz, you know "boobs"....
Paladin
(28,262 posts)As anybody with half a brain cell understands.
Orrex
(63,213 posts)drmeow
(5,018 posts)wife who is a designer doesn't have the same ring
swong19104
(306 posts)with power players. Those white neighbors are going to wish they'll have a hose to drink water from where they'll be shuffled off to.
Tommy Carcetti
(43,182 posts)Where terrible people also live, in addition to Florida and Texas, and 47 other states that don't deserve juvenile nicknames simply on account of the fact that terrible people live there.
quaint
(2,564 posts)I am acutely aware of them.
mainer
(12,022 posts)What a nightmare of a neighbor. Deport him.
obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)And, having a loud, backyard party until 10:00 PM+ is just being a terrible neighbor, no matter who cooked your food or who your guests are.
Dog Woman is the only one who didn't do anything wrong. She talked to her neighbors instead of calling the cops, which is what you should do if you aren't afraid of the neighbors. The hyperbole about her "menacing dog" is ridiculous.
mainer
(12,022 posts)She came onto their property. Her dog scared the residents. I'd say she was trespassing.
obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)LeftInTX
(25,364 posts)I don't believe she range the doorbell, but appeared in the foyer unannounced. That would be considered trespassing.
Quakerfriend
(5,450 posts)that he was menacing is subjective.
I have a 128# German Shepherd whos as sweet as a kitten. However, I am well aware that everyone is a bit scared just looking at him. I would NEVER take him with me to a neighbors party!
niyad
(113,323 posts)Quakerfriend
(5,450 posts)niyad
(113,323 posts)her dog was apparently menacing.
obamanut2012
(26,079 posts)niyad
(113,323 posts)dog is perfectly acceptable behaviour??? Got it. I am most thankful that none of my neighbors appears to think like that.
Demobrat
(8,980 posts)I think it matters. If the dog was off leash it was not just a menace - it was a weapon.
If it was on a leash and under her control the case is different.
niyad
(113,323 posts)earplugs, given the guest list, and the fact that she trespassed in entering the house uninvited.
How was the guy with the hose close enough to turn it on them? I am guessing those yards and properties are not tiny.
niyad
(113,323 posts)her name?)
And what is the relationship between dogwoman and hoseguy?
drmeow
(5,018 posts)her name as she probably did not identify herself and may not be on the deed of the house.
dalton99a
(81,513 posts)Demovictory9
(32,457 posts)But soon after, Rosebrock, whose yard neighbors Duroseau's, 'took his water hose and began water hosing [the guests] in the Duroseau's backyard to get them to disperse', according to the suit.
The suit said the incident created 'a scene reminiscent of 1960s Birmingham, Alabama, when white law enforcement officers used fire hoses to douse, assault and batter African Americans participating in civil rights demonstrations'.
The suit alleges Rosebrock increased the pressure of the hose during the alleged attack so that it was 'extremely powerful and stinging in nature'.
Rosebrock allegedly subjected the group to a prolonged attack until they were 'completely drenched.
Police were called and two NYPD officers responded to take a report, but there has been 'no follow-up since then, even though this incident should be investigated as a hate crime', according to Derek Sells, a lawyer representing the group.
The suit accuses both Rosebrock and the woman of being 'racist'.
The suit adds: 'Each of the plaintiffs suffered economic losses as a result of [the defendants'] conduct.
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12558707/amp/black-doctor-hosed-white-neighbor-lawsuit.html
DET
(1,323 posts)Looks like a nice upscale neighborhood, although pretty crowded. It seems obvious that the neighbor with the hose engaged in outrageous and probably illegal behavior, for which he will undoubtedly receive the punishment that he deserves. The woman with the dog isnt quite as clear cut. I have no idea if if this incident was racially motivated. But I have to wonder what would prompt two different neighbors to confront the host about the noise. Its hard for me to believe that such a distinguished list of party attendees could create so much noise that their neighbors felt compelled to confront them. But you never know.
I had an incident several years ago where a neighboring homeowner decided to rent out his house while he was deployed. One day I heard an incredibly loud band playing in his backyard. Ive been to concerts that werent that loud. The noise was literally painful inside my own house. I finally walked over after several hours and signaled to the band (this was during the height of Covid and I was not going to closely engage people who were not masked). The band signaled to the tenant who said he would ask the band to turn it down. That sort of worked for a couple of hours. Two weeks later it happened again. At that point I called the police. The noise stopped. Im extremely sensitive to noise, but I could never imagine turning a hose on the neighbors for any reason. This guy was either an arrogant MAGAt or someone whod been pushed way too far. Time will tell.
LisaM
(27,813 posts)I don't like to jump to conclusions and I don't know how loud the music was. And, a party is different from what you describe, which seems more like a concert that went on for all hours.
I also don't know what kind of music it was and I would be interested in finding out. Maybe the neighbors were racist about music. I could stand most things except misogynistic, violent, or racist lyrics, even though there are genres I dislike, if it was only for a few hours.
Trust me, the incident in my neighborhood was a casual get together, not a concert. Maybe the neighbors were racist about music. Thats an interesting statement. The neighboring tenant here was upscale White and his friends in the band were all Black. Im not racist about music, but every other word in their lyrics was the n word. I found it incredibly offensive, especially since there are children nearby. And their own kids were at the party. I cant understand how that is in any way acceptable.
I have no problem with a neighbor celebrating a happy event, even if it is loud, as long as it is for a limited period of time and infrequent. I can even tolerate country music within reason. But there are limits.
electric_blue68
(14,906 posts)10PM on a SAT night is not exactly late, either.
Some very occasional celebration event, and that guy goes off his rocker!
(I was taught long ago by my mom that racists existed here in The North (NYC). NJ was seemingly somewhat infamous for having a fair amount of KKK dregs)