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Jilly_in_VA

(9,979 posts)
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 01:17 PM Sep 2023

White Neighbor Allegedly Hoses Prominent Black Party Guests

When Rosevony Duroseau turned 47 last year, her brother and sister-in-law hosted a small surprise party to celebrate.

Dr. Yves Duroseau, chair of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Manhattan’s Lenox Hill Hospital, and his designer wife, Claude, had about 15 guests over on Sept. 17, 2022—a Saturday evening—for a nine-course dinner in the back garden of their gracious Forest Hills home. The occasion was especially joyous for Rosevony, who had recently gotten engaged.

Yves, who in 2020 was the first physician in the U.S. to receive the COVID vaccine, and Rosevony, a U.S. Citizenship and Immigration Services (USCIS) asylum officer based out of Washington, D.C., are Haitian-American, and all but one of the guests at the gathering were Black or Latino. Among them were friends of Rosevony’s from Fordham Law School, where she earned her J.D., along with attorneys from the Justice Department’s Civil Rights Division and New York State Gov. Kathy Hochul’s administration, two bank executives, a New Jersey public schools administrator, at least one public defender, high-powered music industry player Rigo Morales, who co-founded the Recording Academy’s Black Music Collective, and Rosevony’s fiancé, the co-founder and CEO of a cybersecurity risk management consultancy. The meal was catered by chef Vanessa Cantave, 2011 winner of Bravo cooking competition show, Rocco’s Dinner Party.

But as things started to draw to a close, an unidentified white woman showed up with a “large, menacing German Shepherd,” and “demanded that the music playing in the backyard be turned down,” according to an astonishing civil lawsuit obtained by The Daily Beast.

When the “effort to silence Plaintiffs and end their celebration” apparently didn’t happen fast enough, the party “abruptly and forcefully ended” when a white neighbor grabbed his backyard hose and started hosing the guests to get them to disperse—“creating a scene reminiscent of 1960’s Birmingham, Alabama, when White law enforcement officers used fire hoses to douse, assault and batter African Americans participating in civil rights demonstrations in an attempt to get them to comply and disperse,” the complaint states.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/white-neighbor-allegedly-hoses-down-prominent-black-dinner-party-guests?ref=home

You'd think it was FloriDUH. Or Texass

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White Neighbor Allegedly Hoses Prominent Black Party Guests (Original Post) Jilly_in_VA Sep 2023 OP
Hope they... 2naSalit Sep 2023 #1
"You'd think it was FloriDUH. Or Texass" WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2023 #2
Racism IS everywhere. But if the South is the first place people think of Aristus Sep 2023 #3
And George Floyd wasn't killed in Alabama. WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2023 #4
A lot of racists in Minnesota fly the Confederate flag. Aristus Sep 2023 #11
Right. Because racism is everywhere and people should stop thinking it's only or especially WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2023 #13
Why are Northern racists inspired by the Southern brand of it? Aristus Sep 2023 #15
No, they generally see the brand as it is used today -- representative of current racism, anti- WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2023 #16
Chicago racists were the worst! That's what MLK said. LeftInTX Sep 2023 #67
I remember the shock of my first trip to New Jersey after being raised in the deep south prodigitalson Sep 2023 #36
Clanny...That's the way it is. Probably more diverse now, but people hung with their own. LeftInTX Sep 2023 #68
Hopefully there is some retribution against those neighbors. LiberalFighter Sep 2023 #5
I'm wondering how true this story is. honeylady Sep 2023 #6
WTAF? we can do it Sep 2023 #8
I googled Yves Duroseau, MD and found many hits. yardwork Sep 2023 #9
I just dont trust a lot I hear on the internet unless its backed up n/t honeylady Sep 2023 #82
Understandable. And the Daily Beast tends to run these civil suit stories. yardwork Sep 2023 #83
Search terms teach1st Sep 2023 #10
What is it you're hoping to find? WhiskeyGrinder Sep 2023 #12
I'm wondering just how true YOUR story is - here is a small sample from Google Otto_Harper Sep 2023 #18
Not sure why you posted this Shermanator Sep 2023 #23
What part of "It just seems too outrageous and stereotyped to be true" don't you understand? Hekate Sep 2023 #39
I've had the same experience cyclonefence Sep 2023 #38
Fair enough. I usually wait awhile myself for the same reasons. Hekate Sep 2023 #40
see my post to myself (oops) cyclonefence Sep 2023 #44
That certainly says it Hekate Sep 2023 #49
a civil suit has been filed cyclonefence Sep 2023 #43
I'm flumoxxed that you're wondering if story is true? happy feet Sep 2023 #24
The Daily Beast article has a link to the Kings County Court filing SpankMe Sep 2023 #30
Miss you. mercuryblues Sep 2023 #32
Racism has no damn boundaries, period MagickMuffin Sep 2023 #7
Near tfg's childhood home. marybourg Sep 2023 #14
Even in San Francisco and Silicon Valley I'm surrounded by racists in the tech industry. Not only MenloParque Sep 2023 #17
+1, money and racist attitudes are dangers AF uponit7771 Sep 2023 #19
Crazy that the white lady would bring her Quakerfriend Sep 2023 #20
Nowhere does it say Demobrat Sep 2023 #22
I guess you didn't read the civil law suit, where it's plainly stated FakeNoose Sep 2023 #26
So - ten PM? Demobrat Sep 2023 #29
I think having an outdoor party in your own yard is fine. LisaM Sep 2023 #31
I'm glad we are not neighbors. Demobrat Sep 2023 #33
Well, we don't know the size of the yards, the distance, between them, LisaM Sep 2023 #42
I am sorry for your neighbors Demobrat Sep 2023 #46
Well, I don't have a yard or hold outdoor parties. LisaM Sep 2023 #47
So everyone should? Is that your point? Demobrat Sep 2023 #51
count your blessings Skittles Sep 2023 #71
This message was self-deleted by its author Demobrat Sep 2023 #72
Well you know, this was a catered affair given by successful professionals Demobrat Sep 2023 #73
occasionally if I am disturbed by a party I will show up demanding free drinks Skittles Sep 2023 #75
This message was self-deleted by its author Demobrat Sep 2023 #74
Good grief. LisaM Sep 2023 #78
It was a catered affair, a 9-course dinner mainer Sep 2023 #55
I completely agree with you Hekate Sep 2023 #60
In the article I read it said about 9:50 pm. yardwork Sep 2023 #65
Time to shut it down Demobrat Sep 2023 #66
It's OK if their neighbors are also Latino! LOL LeftInTX Sep 2023 #69
This sort of obscene action isn't exclusive to either Florida or Texas. Paladin Sep 2023 #21
Where does one order a designer wife? Orrex Sep 2023 #25
here quaint Sep 2023 #34
LOL - I misread it the same way at first drmeow Sep 2023 #63
The guest list is rife swong19104 Sep 2023 #27
No, it's New Yuck. Tommy Carcetti Sep 2023 #28
There are horrid racists in North Orange County, California. quaint Sep 2023 #35
The guy who did it isn't even American, but a German national mainer Sep 2023 #37
The dude with the hose should be arrested, the woman with her dog was not a threat obamanut2012 Sep 2023 #41
woman with the dog WAS a threat mainer Sep 2023 #45
Disagree obamanut2012 Sep 2023 #52
She trespassed. LeftInTX Sep 2023 #70
I tend to agree with you- though the description Quakerfriend Sep 2023 #56
Especially one to which you had not been invited. niyad Sep 2023 #59
😆! n/t Quakerfriend Sep 2023 #61
Please read more carefully. dogwoman entered their home UNINVITED, and niyad Sep 2023 #50
I did read it carefully obamanut2012 Sep 2023 #53
Then, in your mind, TRESPASSING with a large and menacing, aggresive niyad Sep 2023 #58
Was the dog on a leash? Demobrat Sep 2023 #62
oooops. I am guessing jane doe and friend are going to wish they had just used niyad Sep 2023 #48
Why is every person listed by name except jane doe? (unless that actually is niyad Sep 2023 #54
They probably don't know drmeow Sep 2023 #64
Kick dalton99a Sep 2023 #57
Marcus Rosebrock wielded the hose..more info Demovictory9 Sep 2023 #76
Need More Context DET Sep 2023 #77
I agree about the context. LisaM Sep 2023 #79
My Context DET Sep 2023 #81
Wow, that is So Nasty! Good luck w the civil suit! electric_blue68 Sep 2023 #80

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
2. "You'd think it was FloriDUH. Or Texass"
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 01:32 PM
Sep 2023

How many stories do we have to read until we come to terms with the fact that racism is everywhere?

Aristus

(66,380 posts)
3. Racism IS everywhere. But if the South is the first place people think of
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 01:47 PM
Sep 2023

when the subject comes up, there's a reason for it. Emmett Till wasn't murdered in Vermont.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
13. Right. Because racism is everywhere and people should stop thinking it's only or especially
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 02:05 PM
Sep 2023

a southern thing.

Aristus

(66,380 posts)
15. Why are Northern racists inspired by the Southern brand of it?
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 02:18 PM
Sep 2023

Do they wish it had been institutionalized, like in the South? Do they resent that erstwhile Northern slave states voluntarily voted to abolish enslavement?

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,355 posts)
16. No, they generally see the brand as it is used today -- representative of current racism, anti-
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 02:22 PM
Sep 2023

Blackness, white supremacy, anti-urbanism, anti-government sentiment, anti-elitism and so on.

LeftInTX

(25,364 posts)
67. Chicago racists were the worst! That's what MLK said.
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 08:47 PM
Sep 2023

They were used to living in all-white areas and never dealt with blacks until housing laws were changed. All of a sudden black people were in their neighborhoods and they revolted.

Additionally, in small-town, Wisconsin, I had a bunch of classmates who had never seen a black person in real life!! They had never seen one, ever!

My dad didn't like my BF, so he said to him, "Why don't you get a job in Milwaukee?" BF said, "I don't wanna be around n_______"

prodigitalson

(2,423 posts)
36. I remember the shock of my first trip to New Jersey after being raised in the deep south
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 03:59 PM
Sep 2023

I thought/assumed/hoped that white racism wouldn't be as prevalent. What I found were white people who were racist against everyone but their specific white ethnic group. I found Poles who hated Italians vice versa. Of course they didn't like black or brown people either.

honeylady

(157 posts)
6. I'm wondering how true this story is.
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 01:50 PM
Sep 2023

I've googled the doctor's name and can find only The Daily Beast article and one from the Messenger.com.

It just seems too outrageous and stereotyped to be true.

There are lots of links about his credentials but nothing in the headline to indicate that there is anything else.



yardwork

(61,622 posts)
9. I googled Yves Duroseau, MD and found many hits.
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 02:00 PM
Sep 2023

Multiple sites show him as an emergency medicine physician practicing in New York, and there are also articles about his receiving the COVID vaccine. And there is a feature story from 2009 on him in The New Yorker. There doesn't seem to be anything suspicious there.

Why do you doubt the story?

yardwork

(61,622 posts)
83. Understandable. And the Daily Beast tends to run these civil suit stories.
Tue Sep 26, 2023, 11:49 AM
Sep 2023

I agree that it's good to wait for corroboration.

teach1st

(5,935 posts)
10. Search terms
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 02:00 PM
Sep 2023

If you search Yves Duroseau party forest hills hose, you'll find story links to Yahoo News, among others.

Otto_Harper

(509 posts)
18. I'm wondering just how true YOUR story is - here is a small sample from Google
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 03:06 PM
Sep 2023

Yves Michel Duroseau, MD, MPH

Northwell Health
https://www.northwell.edu › emergency-medicine › dr...
Yves Michel Duroseau, MD, MPH is a New York-based Northwell Health physician who specializes in Emergency Medicine.

Dr. Yves Duroseau - ELabNYC

ELabNYC
https://www.elabnyc.com › directory › dr-yves-durose...
Yves Duroseau, MD, MPH is the current Chair of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Lenox Hill Hospital (LHH), NS/LIJ. As Chair, Dr. Duroseau provides ...

Yves Duroseau Profile - Zucker School of Medicine

Hofstra University
https://faculty.medicine.hofstra.edu › 7778-yves-duros...
View the Zucker School of Medicine profile of Yves Duroseau. Including their publications and grants ... Photo of Assistant Professor Yves Duroseau, MD, MPH.

Dr. Yves M. Duroseau, MD | New York, NY

US News Health
https://health.usnews.com › Doctors
Dr. Yves M. Duroseau is an emergency medicine physician in New York, New York and is affiliated with Lenox Hill Hospital at Northwell Health. He received ...
Rating: 5 · ?5 reviews

Dr. Yves Duroseau, MD – New York, NY

Doximity
https://www.doximity.com › ... › New York › New York
Dr. Yves Duroseau, MD is a board certified emergency medicine physician in New York, New York. He is affiliated with Lenox Hill Hospital.

Dr. Yves Duroseau - Emergency Medicine - New York, NY

Castle Connolly
https://www.castleconnolly.com › top-doctors › yves-...
Dr. Yves Duroseau is a Castle Connolly Top Doctor whose specialty is Emergency Medicine and is located in New York, NY.

Dr. Yves Duroseau, MD - Emergency Medicine

Healthgrades
https://www.healthgrades.com › ... › New York, NY
Dr. Yves Duroseau, MD is an emergency medicine specialist in New York, NY and has over 24 years of experience in the medical field. He graduated from GEORGE ...

Yves Duroseau, MD, MPH

Find my Direct Doctor
https://www.findmydirectdoctor.com › ... › New York
Yves Duroseau, MD, MPH · Specialty: DPC Internal Medicine, Concierge Emergency Medicine · Languages: English · Cost: N/A · Payment Method: N/A · Additional Services:.

Shermanator

(35 posts)
23. Not sure why you posted this
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 03:25 PM
Sep 2023

The person said there were a lot of hits about his credentials but very few hits about this particular incident.

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
39. What part of "It just seems too outrageous and stereotyped to be true" don't you understand?
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 04:09 PM
Sep 2023

It’s like the time a black minister was arrested watering a vacationing parishioner’s front yard. Birthday parties and family BBQs in public parks broken up, because how dare black and brown Americans show their faces in public.

It’s not a stereotype when it is true on a daily basis across the country.

cyclonefence

(4,483 posts)
38. I've had the same experience
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 04:07 PM
Sep 2023

when trying to verify particularly egregious stories like this one. It isn't an effort to deny racism; it's to make sure we lefties aren't doing what the RW does: promulgate outrageous stories that turn out to be not quite what they were presented as.

For example, I wonder why this hasn't been reported by large media outlets--it's such an awful event that I think it should be national news, especially since prominent people are involved.

I've tried to track down stories similar to this one, stories so outrageous and infuriating that you would think there would be national reporting, interviews on major news outlets, and follow-up stories telling what the results of this criminal assault were--arrests? lawsuits? Is there a record of police being called, and their response?

I guess we'll see what transpires, but like you I am suspicious of stories that enrage but are difficult to track down. I'd like to see a statement from one of the principals available *somewhere*--even on the outlets that publicized this story.

happy feet

(869 posts)
24. I'm flumoxxed that you're wondering if story is true?
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 03:28 PM
Sep 2023

There are stories much worse than this of racism.

SpankMe

(2,957 posts)
30. The Daily Beast article has a link to the Kings County Court filing
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 03:50 PM
Sep 2023
https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23980967-duroseau-at-al-v-rosebrock-et-al

This doc was uploaded by the Daily Beast article author. I can't find the actual filing on the NY Courts web site. But, the upload from Daily Beast is at least something.

Plus, the issue is brand new. Maybe in a few more days there'll be more articles on it as word gets out.

MagickMuffin

(15,943 posts)
7. Racism has no damn boundaries, period
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 01:54 PM
Sep 2023



They exist everywhere. Why I bet there are plenty in the state you live in.


MenloParque

(512 posts)
17. Even in San Francisco and Silicon Valley I'm surrounded by racists in the tech industry. Not only
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 03:02 PM
Sep 2023

That but these assholes have tons of $$ for military grade auto firearms in 223 all the way up to 50cal. Yeah they absolutely talk loudly amongst themselves about militia training in the Sierra Nevadas. Seriously thinking of moving up the coast to Vancouver, BC. I love it there.

Quakerfriend

(5,450 posts)
20. Crazy that the white lady would bring her
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 03:10 PM
Sep 2023

German Shepherd with her & the guy with the hose, WTH!

However, I will admit that I am mortified when my large Latino family thinks it’s OK to play their music at outdoor gatherings. It is always way too loud & imo very inconsiderate of the neighbors. It is so rude!

In my culture that is unacceptable.

Demobrat

(8,980 posts)
22. Nowhere does it say
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 03:23 PM
Sep 2023

what time it was when the party goers were asked to quiet down.

Of course the neighbor’s methods were unacceptable. But so are loud, outdoor parties that make it impossible for people to sleep.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
26. I guess you didn't read the civil law suit, where it's plainly stated
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 03:41 PM
Sep 2023


The civil lawsuit is here: https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/23980967-duroseau-at-al-v-rosebrock-et-al

(It's kindly provided by The Daily Beast in their article.)

You'd be amazed what you can learn in the OP links.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
31. I think having an outdoor party in your own yard is fine.
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 03:51 PM
Sep 2023

10:00 pm is not late, and it was winding down by then.

I think it's completely unreasonable to expect people to be quiet all the time. I like the sound of outdoor music on a nice evening. But we have become a closed society, putting on ear buds or head phones and retreating from everyone.

It sounds like a joyous occasion, with happy noise. In another country, this wouldn't have been an issue. This is a very American response.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
42. Well, we don't know the size of the yards, the distance, between them,
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 04:16 PM
Sep 2023

or even the type of music being played. But I enjoy music on a pleasant evening. I don't have a yard (I am in an apartment), but there is a cabin we stay in fairly often and I find it very relaxing and convivial when I hear the sound of music drifting through the air, whether it's from an outdoor event in the village or the neighbors having a party. I think being sociable contributes to mental well-being. I am sorry you can't find a way to enjoy someone else having an occasional outdoor gathering.

Demobrat

(8,980 posts)
46. I am sorry for your neighbors
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 04:24 PM
Sep 2023

and very grateful that the people around me don’t believe that forcing their neighbors to listen to the music of their choice should make said neighbors “happy”.

Demobrat

(8,980 posts)
51. So everyone should? Is that your point?
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 04:44 PM
Sep 2023

What about if I have to get up for work at six, and the music is still blasting at ten? Am I still obligated to enjoy it?

Skittles

(153,164 posts)
71. count your blessings
Tue Sep 26, 2023, 12:26 AM
Sep 2023

I work all night - getting woke up by inconsiderate assholes happens quite regularly.

Response to Skittles (Reply #71)

Demobrat

(8,980 posts)
73. Well you know, this was a catered affair given by successful professionals
Tue Sep 26, 2023, 12:41 AM
Sep 2023

in an upscale neighborhood. They couldn't possibly be inconsiderate assholes.

Response to Skittles (Reply #71)

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
78. Good grief.
Tue Sep 26, 2023, 02:58 AM
Sep 2023

Yes, I think people should occasionally be able to house outdoor events in their own back yards in nice weather.

It's better than a former neighbor I had who seemed to think that the entire weekend, starting at about 7:00 a.m., was for running power tools in his driveway. However, I never set a dog on him or hosed him down. I never even complained to him, even though weekends were my chance to sleep in and I can't stand the noise of power tools.

We are clearly not going to agree, so I hope you have a nice week.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
55. It was a catered affair, a 9-course dinner
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 04:51 PM
Sep 2023

These weren't wild and crazy teenagers. These were professionals with distinguished careers, so I agree with you. I can't imagine it was rowdy enough to deserve the fire-hosing they got. And it wasn't even 10 PM yet when the neighbors came at them.

Hekate

(90,708 posts)
60. I completely agree with you
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 05:07 PM
Sep 2023

Considering the careers of all the people involved in the party, my guess is their neighborhood also has plenty of space between houses. But even if it were a neighborhood of small homes, everyone is entitled to the enjoyment of the outdoor space, including on occasion a party.

Nowhere does it state that the couple hosting the party does this every weekend, nor does it imply that they are drunken brawlers. It just sounds — happy.

10:00 pm on a Saturday night is not unreasonable, by any stretch of the imagination. Closing up at midnight would be fine — 1:00 am would be beyond bounds. That’s Normal.

LeftInTX

(25,364 posts)
69. It's OK if their neighbors are also Latino! LOL
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 08:51 PM
Sep 2023

Just joking. I know what you mean.

Bar B Que!!!

Forget about camping......That's even noisier...

I used to host La Leche meetings at my house. Next door neighbor said, "Invite me to your next bunco party". I had to explain that it was a breastfeeding group. She sure gave me a weird look, then she didn't want her husband talking to me cuz, you know "boobs"....

Paladin

(28,262 posts)
21. This sort of obscene action isn't exclusive to either Florida or Texas.
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 03:23 PM
Sep 2023

As anybody with half a brain cell understands.

swong19104

(306 posts)
27. The guest list is rife
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 03:44 PM
Sep 2023

with power players. Those white neighbors are going to wish they'll have a hose to drink water from where they'll be shuffled off to.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
28. No, it's New Yuck.
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 03:45 PM
Sep 2023

Where terrible people also live, in addition to Florida and Texas, and 47 other states that don't deserve juvenile nicknames simply on account of the fact that terrible people live there.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
37. The guy who did it isn't even American, but a German national
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 04:05 PM
Sep 2023

What a nightmare of a neighbor. Deport him.

obamanut2012

(26,079 posts)
41. The dude with the hose should be arrested, the woman with her dog was not a threat
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 04:15 PM
Sep 2023

And, having a loud, backyard party until 10:00 PM+ is just being a terrible neighbor, no matter who cooked your food or who your guests are.

Dog Woman is the only one who didn't do anything wrong. She talked to her neighbors instead of calling the cops, which is what you should do if you aren't afraid of the neighbors. The hyperbole about her "menacing dog" is ridiculous.

mainer

(12,022 posts)
45. woman with the dog WAS a threat
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 04:19 PM
Sep 2023

She came onto their property. Her dog scared the residents. I'd say she was trespassing.

LeftInTX

(25,364 posts)
70. She trespassed.
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 09:21 PM
Sep 2023

I don't believe she range the doorbell, but appeared in the foyer unannounced. That would be considered trespassing.

Quakerfriend

(5,450 posts)
56. I tend to agree with you- though the description
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 04:51 PM
Sep 2023

that he was “menacing” is subjective.

I have a 128# German Shepherd who’s as sweet as a kitten. However, I am well aware that everyone is a bit scared just looking at him. I would NEVER take him with me to a neighbor’s party!

niyad

(113,323 posts)
50. Please read more carefully. dogwoman entered their home UNINVITED, and
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 04:31 PM
Sep 2023

her dog was apparently menacing.

niyad

(113,323 posts)
58. Then, in your mind, TRESPASSING with a large and menacing, aggresive
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 04:54 PM
Sep 2023

dog is perfectly acceptable behaviour??? Got it. I am most thankful that none of my neighbors appears to think like that.

Demobrat

(8,980 posts)
62. Was the dog on a leash?
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 05:31 PM
Sep 2023

I think it matters. If the dog was off leash it was not just a menace - it was a weapon.

If it was on a leash and under her control the case is different.

niyad

(113,323 posts)
48. oooops. I am guessing jane doe and friend are going to wish they had just used
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 04:29 PM
Sep 2023

earplugs, given the guest list, and the fact that she trespassed in entering the house uninvited.

How was the guy with the hose close enough to turn it on them? I am guessing those yards and properties are not tiny.

niyad

(113,323 posts)
54. Why is every person listed by name except jane doe? (unless that actually is
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 04:47 PM
Sep 2023

her name?)

And what is the relationship between dogwoman and hoseguy?

drmeow

(5,018 posts)
64. They probably don't know
Mon Sep 25, 2023, 08:18 PM
Sep 2023

her name as she probably did not identify herself and may not be on the deed of the house.

Demovictory9

(32,457 posts)
76. Marcus Rosebrock wielded the hose..more info
Tue Sep 26, 2023, 02:02 AM
Sep 2023

But soon after, Rosebrock, whose yard neighbors Duroseau's, 'took his water hose and began water hosing [the guests] in the Duroseau's backyard to get them to disperse', according to the suit.

The suit said the incident created 'a scene reminiscent of 1960s Birmingham, Alabama, when white law enforcement officers used fire hoses to douse, assault and batter African Americans participating in civil rights demonstrations'.

The suit alleges Rosebrock increased the pressure of the hose during the alleged attack so that it was 'extremely powerful and stinging in nature'.

Rosebrock allegedly subjected the group to a prolonged attack until they were 'completely drenched.

Police were called and two NYPD officers responded to take a report, but there has been 'no follow-up since then, even though this incident should be investigated as a hate crime', according to Derek Sells, a lawyer representing the group.

The suit accuses both Rosebrock and the woman of being 'racist'.

The suit adds: 'Each of the plaintiffs suffered economic losses as a result of [the defendants'] conduct.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12558707/amp/black-doctor-hosed-white-neighbor-lawsuit.html

DET

(1,323 posts)
77. Need More Context
Tue Sep 26, 2023, 02:56 AM
Sep 2023

Looks like a nice upscale neighborhood, although pretty crowded. It seems obvious that the neighbor with the hose engaged in outrageous and probably illegal behavior, for which he will undoubtedly receive the punishment that he deserves. The woman with the dog isn’t quite as clear cut. I have no idea if if this incident was racially motivated. But I have to wonder what would prompt two different neighbors to confront the host about the noise. It’s hard for me to believe that such a distinguished list of party attendees could create so much noise that their neighbors felt compelled to confront them. But you never know.

I had an incident several years ago where a neighboring homeowner decided to rent out his house while he was deployed. One day I heard an incredibly loud band playing in his backyard. I’ve been to concerts that weren’t that loud. The noise was literally painful inside my own house. I finally walked over after several hours and signaled to the band (this was during the height of Covid and I was not going to closely engage people who were not masked). The band signaled to the tenant who said he would ask the band to turn it down. That sort of worked for a couple of hours. Two weeks later it happened again. At that point I called the police. The noise stopped. I’m extremely sensitive to noise, but I could never imagine turning a hose on the neighbors for any reason. This guy was either an arrogant MAGAt or someone who’d been pushed way too far. Time will tell.

LisaM

(27,813 posts)
79. I agree about the context.
Tue Sep 26, 2023, 03:10 AM
Sep 2023

I don't like to jump to conclusions and I don't know how loud the music was. And, a party is different from what you describe, which seems more like a concert that went on for all hours.

I also don't know what kind of music it was and I would be interested in finding out. Maybe the neighbors were racist about music. I could stand most things except misogynistic, violent, or racist lyrics, even though there are genres I dislike, if it was only for a few hours.

DET

(1,323 posts)
81. My Context
Tue Sep 26, 2023, 03:47 AM
Sep 2023

Trust me, the incident in my neighborhood was a casual get together, not a concert. “Maybe the neighbors were racist about music.” That’s an interesting statement. The neighboring tenant here was upscale White and his friends in the band were all Black. I’m not racist about music, but every other word in their lyrics was the ‘n word’. I found it incredibly offensive, especially since there are children nearby. And their own kids were at the party. I can’t understand how that is in any way acceptable.

I have no problem with a neighbor celebrating a happy event, even if it is loud, as long as it is for a limited period of time and infrequent. I can even tolerate country music within reason. But there are limits.

electric_blue68

(14,906 posts)
80. Wow, that is So Nasty! Good luck w the civil suit!
Tue Sep 26, 2023, 03:31 AM
Sep 2023

10PM on a SAT night is not exactly late, either.

Some very occasional celebration event, and that guy goes off his rocker!


(I was taught long ago by my mom that racists existed here in The North (NYC). NJ was seemingly somewhat infamous for having a fair amount of KKK dregs)

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