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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsAm I the only one who doesn't care what Fetterman wears on the Senate floor?
Right now we have an entire political party who wants to shut down the government to force the other political party to accept their fascist agenda, a not-insignificant percentage of the American people who want to put one of the most prolific career criminals in American history back in the White House so he can turn our free country into a fascist dictatorship, and the guy who got canned by Auburn for losing to Vanderbilt for the first time in fifty seasons is sitting on 300 high-ranking military officers' promotions because the Army doesn't think you should have to carry your rapist's baby to term.
And what are we talking about? What Senator Fetterman wears to work.
There are more important things to discuss.
stuck in the middle
(821 posts)as he avoids accessorizing his hoodie with an AR-15 lapel pin, Im cool.
Pisces
(5,761 posts)For the job. Most jobs have a dress code. This is no different. I like Fetterman, but we need the Senate and the House to be more professional on all fronts. We are not exempt from this. Maybe Im too old fashioned, but optics matter.
Ftrump
(32 posts)Response to Pisces (Reply #2)
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Firestorm49
(4,148 posts)dweller
(24,471 posts)Not fashion .
Rules for how business is conducted in the senate, and the appropriate actions the senators follow may constitute decorum.
I dont know that there is a dress code in the rules, but there may be and Im not aware of it .
But as long as Fetterman follows the rules of the senate , I dont give a fig what he wears .
ymmv
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DemocraticPatriot
(5,410 posts)TheCowsCameHome
(40,199 posts)former9thward
(33,141 posts)He looks like anyone in a college dorm on a Saturday morning. He showed up in that with a meeting with Zelensky.
Red Mountain
(1,831 posts)Zelensky frequently gets the same criticism as if a suit will finally destroy the Russian will to fight.
Fetterman has said he'll wear a suit as a reward for good behavior by the Rubes. I like that idea.
former9thward
(33,141 posts)Zelensky is his country's CIC and dresses in a military uniform. He often is visiting troops at the front. Fetterman is not fighting any war and dresses in a beach outfit.
stuck in the middle
(821 posts)Ive actually seen the complaints that were referred to on how Zelensky dresses. That isnt made up.
helpisontheway
(5,122 posts)peacebuzzard
(5,217 posts)this man is clawing his way back after a tremendous physical and health challenge. He is dealing with that and must be uncomfortable because of it, as far as balance and rhythm; he needs to be as relaxed as possible to focus on what he is doing, how to get there, and most of all not worry about what the hell he needs to wear. This elected official is doing his best and he is good at it... It is his voice that we need, not his appearance.
on edit: remember he is a very tall and large man and he must constantly have to accommodate himself within his surroundings. To bloody hell with the suit and tie thing or Armani clothing or whatever everyone tries to dress him with. Get a life.
walkingman
(8,116 posts)looking at a reason to complain about a democrat. If I was going to complain about a democrat it would be Menendez.
However, I don't think it is appropriate to come to work in sweats.
jmowreader
(51,159 posts)Polo shirt, dressy-looking stretch pants and black leather athletic shoes?
walkingman
(8,116 posts)that seems OK to me. Most people today don't know that women in Congress were not allowed to wear pants until the 90's or sleeveless dresses? I think one of the muslim women were criticized for wearing a hijab....bet they wouldn't care if a nun wore a habit. It reminds me of the controversy over hair in public school which I always thought was ridiculous.
I'm with you, it is mostly just a distraction from the important issues.
LiberaBlueDem
(1,096 posts)And shorts. Once they get global warming under control they can back to suits
relayerbob
(6,895 posts)bullimiami
(13,788 posts)mike_c
(36,284 posts)Frankly, I still use the word "suit" pajoratively. I'm happy that Fetterman isn't a suit.
T_A
(604 posts)as long as all of his private parts are covered, who cares?
BTW, this is only about voting appearances. Fetterman said he wears a suit for committee hearings.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,499 posts)Bettie
(16,764 posts)backside about what he or any of them wear.
Yes, I laughed at Sinema sometimes, because she likes to dress like a teenager when she's, um, not one.
It's all a bunch of sound and fury, aimed squarely at a Democrat to distract from how truly awful the Republican party is...a bunch of dickheads pointing and screaming "BUT HE WON'T WEAR A SUIT!!!".
WmChris
(191 posts)I've always thought suits and ties were overrated. I, for one, don't believe what you wear is nearly as important as the work you produce. Being a life long union worker I associate suits with the never sweat elitist managers. Many of the middle management people produced excellent results in casual wear.
Tree Lady
(11,973 posts)As long as private parts are covered I am good.
My daughter is going through this in her CPA office, she dresses up and almost no one else does. She said one of the new CPA's wore jeans with holes in it. I told her employees are hard to get these days as long as she gets the work done that's all bosses care of these days. Not like she sees the customers.
Times have changed in the last few years where work is concerned. I would have loved to have worked at home instead of an office since I had latch key kids calling me after school every day.
Back when I first went to work I had to wear a suit jacket nice blouse and skirt and heels. I was only 20 and making barely over minimum wage. My mom had to buy me the suit.
Wifes husband
(83 posts)The Senate was established as the senior branch of the legislature. Senators should dress appropriately.
He is not washing his car or mowing the lawn, and should dress in business attire.
If you want to be considered a serious person, you should dress appropriately and an adult man should know better than this.
This is an unnecessary distraction, and all concerned should cut out the crap and do their jobs
Iggo
(48,086 posts)First Communion dont count lol.
stuck in the middle
(821 posts)My wife used to say stuff like that to me. She was surprised to learn that in this country mathematicians dont generally dress up in a suit and tie to teach at a university.
Chalk it up to cultural differences, I suppose.
Its kind of funny seeing this, again.
I do dress up in a suit and tie every Easter and Christmas to accompany her to Mass, though, despite being an atheist.
Well just because.
Iggo
(48,086 posts)stuck in the middle
(821 posts)NowISeetheLight
(3,987 posts)Considering the crap the Senate was responsible for under McConnell, a clown suit or inmates costume might be appropriate.
GoodRaisin
(9,413 posts)He ought to shave that unruly shit growing out of his face he thinks is a beard before he says anything about the appearance of anyone else. Gym shorts and hoodie are no less non acceptable than walking around in a suit and goofy beard your face cant grow.
jcgoldie
(11,831 posts)If the assholes are talking about Fettermans outfit maybe trans kids and immigrant families get a short respite.
manicdem
(488 posts)Does he dress like that because of his medical issues or is it by choice? If he has difficulty putting on pants and shoes and needs loose clothing to dress himself I can understand.
Clothing isn't everything, but it does show professionalism and standards. Right now my workplace is in the middle of an election between two unions. The representative for one union dresses in hoodies and what looks like pajamas when he appears in court and important meetings representing union members. If you were fighting to keep your job, and your representative came into court wearing a pajamas that would be bad.
Congress is no different. Lives, jobs, future of the nation depend on what they do.
byronius
(7,529 posts)Ive been a CEO for thirty years, and thats my uniform.
Suits are for courts and weddings.
BOSSHOG
(38,945 posts)For weddings and funerals.
byronius
(7,529 posts)Business is work, unless one is a charlatan.
people
(665 posts)I do care how it looks that we have Menendez there after he's been indicted on felony counts -- that looks BAD, particularly when we want the Democratic Party to look much different that the Orange Jerk's party.
BOSSHOG
(38,945 posts)Imagine if the house decided to show a movie and turned the lights way down low.
Generic Brad
(14,357 posts)That is why people like Rand Paul, Ted Cruz, Mitch McConnell, Tommy Tuberville, Lyndsey Graham, Ron Johnson, etc will always be pieces of shit regardless of what they wear. The things they do are self serving, mean spirited, and purposefully destructive. Suits and ties don't make up for their lack of character.
onetexan
(13,609 posts)paleotn
(18,799 posts)I completely agree with you.
But I don't think he got canned for the Vandy loss. That was decent Vanderbilt team, Bobby Johnson's best, and Aubie was grossly overrated coming into that season. The collapse after the UT win and getting demolished by Bama at the end did him in.
Warpy
(112,817 posts)The guy is still recovering from a stroke, he can keep things as easy as he needs to.
I wouldn't want Tammy Duckworth to have to cope with pantyhose and high heeled shoes, either.
ancianita
(37,705 posts)rip them on their total idiotic incompetence in governance and intent to dismantle this democracy for their billionaire owners and trump, their front man.
No Democrat has a major problem with Fetterman's appearance. I'm glad Schumer relaxed the dress code in solidarity with his colleague so he can dress for his leadership role in representing his constituents as he sees fit.
Fetterman's dress might reflect him, but short or long term, it also reflects how we Democrats accept difference, as long as our fellow Democrats' values are true to democracy and doing the greatest good for the greatest number.
onecaliberal
(35,126 posts)AllaN01Bear
(22,446 posts)Eko
(8,214 posts)stopdiggin
(12,439 posts)But I think a fair reading would acknowledge that there's a decent amount of opinion going the other direction. So if MTG shows up dressed as Q-Anon Shaman .. ? Thong bikini and flip flops .. ?
And, while it is eminently true that are far weightier matters - most of us are capable (and somewhat expect of others) at least a moderate degree of multi-task. Holding two thoughts at the same time - and all that.
If the attorney representing me shows up in court wearing board shorts, wife-beater and a parrot-head ... I'm frankly a little edgy.
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Pisces
(5,761 posts)Pisces
(5,761 posts)Outside of the home has a dress code. Business casual is not too much to ask of anyone.
duckworth969
(965 posts)I thought perhaps the reason Fetterman is choosing, at least in part, to wear his hoodie and shorts for his day gig is for his own mental and emotional health.
Maybe a way of keeping inside his own element, to stay grounded and maintain focus.
Its what hes used to and comfortable with.
Ask yourself how much deference and respect we extend to others because of the suits, gowns, tiaras, hats, robes, etc. they wear, and so many of them turn out to be the worst examples of Homo sapiens.
Look, when the Senate has their group photo, Id to see Big John in a suit.
But when hes at work and he wants to wear his work clothes, let the man alone so he can do his job.
Fettermans not there to be what you want.
Hes there for the people he works for and they seem to be cool with his garb of choice.
Carlitos Brigante
(26,736 posts)LetMyPeopleVote
(152,191 posts)helpisontheway
(5,122 posts)Roy Rolling
(7,121 posts)Uniforms are for group identity and cohesiveness. Military soldiers wear uniforms when fighting, but that doesnt t mean without the uniform they cannot fight.
But also, the uniform has exceptions for the wounded. You dont see a soldier covered in blood charged with a dirty uniform. Fetterman is recovering and eventually may see the small compromise of garments a sacrifice hes willing to make.
But he wont do it because Republicans publicly command he change clothes, so here we are.
Wifes husband
(83 posts)The point is being missed is that a great many people, me included, DO CARE that a senator wear appropriate business attire. Him showing up ready to paint his house is simply not appropriate and distracting.
This is one of our best senators and the man is brilliant, and we are discussing his clothing.
Don't get me wrong. I am retired and I am not wearing a suit again. Business casual is the best you get from me now on, even to funerals. But when I show up to a wedding or funeral I will be inappropriately dressed. I won't pretend I am ok. I just don't give a damn, and that is the image I will project.
I don't plan to run for senator either
The suit projects a serious image.
Hotler
(11,816 posts)csziggy
(34,179 posts)For taking his jacket off. Otherwise I don't care. Said by a 71 year old women who spends 90% of her time in ratty casual shirts and leggings with no bra.
haele
(13,225 posts)Tells you how seriously they take females in the Senate, it takes "a dude" to flaunt dress code before there's a concerted outcry about decorum.
Haele
marshall
(6,667 posts)Not to mention it would be very difficult at his size for him to dress himself even if he didnt have the limitations from his strokes.
It may have been noted, but lapses in dress and grooming is a factor of depression, which he has publicly struggled with.
area51
(12,071 posts)as long as he's working for his constituents and not wealthy special interests.
If nazis don't get upset about Gym Jordan's lack of jacket, they can't complain about Fetterman.
Rob H.
(5,475 posts)As long as he shows up and works for the people who elected him I couldn't care less what he wears.