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Initech

(99,756 posts)
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 04:22 PM Sep 2023

Texas sends 15th bus of asylum seekers to Los Angeles. It's the second in four days

A group of 45 migrants who reached Los Angeles Friday morning are the second to arrive by bus from Texas in four days.

Mayor Karen Bass’ office confirmed that the group of asylum seekers marks the 15th to arrive in L.A. since the first bus arrived in June.

The bus that arrived Friday pulled into Union Station shortly after 9:30 a.m. after leaving Texas around 8:30 a.m. on Thursday morning, according to L.A. Welcomes Collective, a group of immigration advocates, faith-based organizers and city and county officials. The group of asylum seekers, which includes 13 families and 23 children, traveled from Colombia, Mexico, Peru and Venezuela.

On Tuesday, 40 asylum seekers from Venezuela and El Salvador arrived in Union Station, the L.A. Welcomes Collective said.
https://www.latimes.com/california/story/2023-09-22/migrants-bus-los-angeles-texas-greg-abbott


Hey Greg, stop this shit right now. It's not funny. You're a fucking asshole. Stay the hell out of my state. You're not welcome here.
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Texas sends 15th bus of asylum seekers to Los Angeles. It's the second in four days (Original Post) Initech Sep 2023 OP
It's a toss up sometimes, who is worse, him or Meatball Ron DeNazi! RKP5637 Sep 2023 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author jimfields33 Sep 2023 #2
No, this is an insult. Initech Sep 2023 #4
What would he denounce? Zeitghost Sep 2023 #11
California can stop them at the state line... 2naSalit Sep 2023 #3
IF this IS possible, we need a look out for when the bus leaves. THEN bluestarone Sep 2023 #7
It is. 2naSalit Sep 2023 #9
Why would we want to stop them Zeitghost Sep 2023 #12
I did say IF the states want to stop them. I have no idea bluestarone Sep 2023 #13
This is an unfair characterization pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #31
California treats them like human beings Skittles Sep 2023 #22
True. 2naSalit Sep 2023 #26
WWJD Skittles Sep 2023 #27
Abbott is a dick. 1WorldHope Sep 2023 #5
Agreed! Initech Sep 2023 #8
Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration should begin scrutinizing bus driver data. Frasier Balzov Sep 2023 #6
Damn right! 2naSalit Sep 2023 #10
It's illegal to transport asylum seekers across state lines? MichMan Sep 2023 #15
Sounds like kidnapping... 2naSalit Sep 2023 #17
Problem is, Asylum seekers have court dates in different cities. haele Sep 2023 #24
From Wed to Fri of this week -10,000 migrants enter Eagle Pass, Texas womanofthehills Sep 2023 #28
Post removed Post removed Sep 2023 #29
Agreed pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #30
Post removed Post removed Sep 2023 #14
Abbott sent the immigrants as a "fuck you" to California. Initech Sep 2023 #20
Who cares why he sent them? SickOfTheOnePct Sep 2023 #21
Who cares? pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #23
I'm not that nice. I would put them on a bus right back to Texas 😑 In It to Win It Sep 2023 #16
The "receiver" states should sue... 2naSalit Sep 2023 #18
What is the issue here? pinkstarburst Sep 2023 #19
The issue is twofold. Climate refugees and refugees from corrupt states. haele Sep 2023 #25
Why aren't we talking about the human trafficking aspects of this? AntivaxHunters Sep 2023 #32
Because it really does not fit the definition: EX500rider Sep 2023 #34
Businesses are looking for employees. if they can be hired that would be helpful JI7 Sep 2023 #33

Response to Initech (Original post)

Initech

(99,756 posts)
4. No, this is an insult.
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 04:42 PM
Sep 2023

He's sending them here because of that whole "fuck you" to sanctuary cities thing. I'm really surprised Newsom isn't denouncing this crap. I think Abbott's anti-immigrant hysteria should be considered some kind of disorder.

Zeitghost

(3,663 posts)
11. What would he denounce?
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 05:02 PM
Sep 2023

The immigrants are happier and better off in CA.

California has public policies that can only be interpreted as being open and welcoming to immigrants. It adds to the diversity of culture here and provides more workers for our bustling economy that seems to have positions to fill.

I understand the reasons for the bus trips are rooted in Texas bigotry, but the results seem to be all positive.

bluestarone

(16,395 posts)
7. IF this IS possible, we need a look out for when the bus leaves. THEN
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 04:47 PM
Sep 2023

Alert every state that wants to can stop these buses at their border! (like i say, IF this is possible)

2naSalit

(84,913 posts)
9. It is.
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 04:52 PM
Sep 2023

Any bus that isn't a school bus is regulated by the ICC and has to be licensed to operate in any state it enters. Plus, the agricultural check stations could serve to identify them since the CHP is also there. Should be the way to do it, you can't enter the state without going through a "bug station". All commercial vehicles, including chartered buses are regulated so if government entities like the ICC and DOJ should be doing something about this.

Zeitghost

(3,663 posts)
12. Why would we want to stop them
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 05:03 PM
Sep 2023

Is there some problem with immigrants?

I know Texas and Florida don't want them, but most of us here in non-racist blue states do.

bluestarone

(16,395 posts)
13. I did say IF the states want to stop them. I have no idea
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 05:18 PM
Sep 2023

Of what these states are going through. I fully agree that Immigrants should be accepted IF possible. They are being used as by Texas and Florida as political pawns. I do wish there was an answer for these busloads going from state to state.

pinkstarburst

(1,291 posts)
31. This is an unfair characterization
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 10:14 AM
Sep 2023
Is there some problem with immigrants?

I know Texas and Florida don't want them, but most of us here in non-racist blue states do.


10,000 migrants crossed into Eagle Pass, Texas in the last three DAYS. The population of Eagle Pass, Texas is 28,000 people.

In 2022, 2 MILLION people crossed the southern border. 1.2 MILLION of them crossed into Texas. Plenty of migrants stay in Texas. I am a retired public school teacher and my classes were always full of ESL learners and recent immigrant kids. Trust me, Texas is already doing more than its fair share, and it is absolutely crazy to me that the moment a few busloads of migrants show up in a blue state and suddenly the problem is visible in other places and it's not just poor Eagle Pass with its 28,000 citizens asked to deal with 10,000 people crossing in three days, and other cities and states are asked to start doing their fair share, the conversation becomes how Texas and Florida must be racist because they don't want the migrants.

Immigration needs to be a NATIONAL ISSUE. If our values are that we want the borders to be open the way that they are now due to political and economic problems in the countries these people are coming from, then FINE. But that means that the 2 million people streaming into the country every year (last year, this year, next year and every year to come) will need to be spread out over all 50 states. We as democrats don't get to talk out of both sides of our mouths on this. We don't get to say we support immigrants as long as we never have to look at one or have one in our kids' school. Democrats don't get to say we love immigration as long as all the immigrants stay in Texas. That's not how it works, folks. If our values say we let these people continue to come in at a rate of 2 MILLION people per year, then they are going have to be spread out to all the states. Or we change our policy. It's silly to keep having a NIMBY tantrum over the busses. Abbott shouldn't have to keep footing the bill for the busses. Biden should be providing the busses to send the migrants across the country as soon as they cross the border.

2naSalit

(84,913 posts)
26. True.
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 07:53 PM
Sep 2023

Much more humane yet still not the best for them. That they are used as political pawns is the problem and something needs to happen in that regard.


I wish something would happen to remedy the situation but I don't know what that would be, exactly.

1WorldHope

(666 posts)
5. Abbott is a dick.
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 04:43 PM
Sep 2023

On the positive side, the immigrants will get better help anywhere other than Texas or Florida.
Also, it has been an effective way to get the point across. Being a border state must be taxing and the whole country could be helping out. That said, again, he is a dick. Could there be a kinder more regulated way to spread the burden of refugees? This is only going to get worse. And we must be mindful, Americans may also need refuge someday because of climate destruction. Karma is a bitch.

Frasier Balzov

(2,567 posts)
6. Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration should begin scrutinizing bus driver data.
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 04:46 PM
Sep 2023

Drivers who know or have reason to know that they are carrying passengers who are subject to Homeland Security jurisdiction shouldn't feel free from peril to their commercial driver's licenses when they cross state lines.

2naSalit

(84,913 posts)
10. Damn right!
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 04:55 PM
Sep 2023

And I have said so before when this shit first started. They should be held for illegally transporting them across state lines. If the Govs of these receiver states got together they could push this issue and end the practice.

Not only the drivers but the companies they work for.

2naSalit

(84,913 posts)
17. Sounds like kidnapping...
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 05:44 PM
Sep 2023

The state can still refuse to allow them in. There is a way to stop this legally and it doesn't seem there is much effort in that direction.

There are laws about transporting people across state lines in the ICC regulations and if the migrants are not sure where they are going and were lied to, there should be a legal case.

haele

(12,549 posts)
24. Problem is, Asylum seekers have court dates in different cities.
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 07:33 PM
Sep 2023

You send an asylum seeker to L.A. on the 20th when s/he has a hearing in, say, Chicago sometimes in early October (because that's where their relatives/sponsor are), and that court date is getting missed.

They're being told they're going to someplace where there's jobs, housing, and people to take care of them. However, whomever was in charge of making sure they made their court date has now lost track of them, and who knows how much the seeker understands about the process they need to go through to get back into the system and make their court date. Especially since the only reason they came up was to be safe and work, and that's what's on their minds, not standing before a judge with someone from legal aid to walk them through the hoops.

No matter what, if the asylum seeker misses a court date, s/he is now an undocumented criminal.

Haele

womanofthehills

(8,471 posts)
28. From Wed to Fri of this week -10,000 migrants enter Eagle Pass, Texas
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 08:26 PM
Sep 2023
About 3,000 migrants crossed into Eagle Pass on Wednesday and another 3,000 are on track to enter Thursday, said U.S. Rep. Tony Gonzalez, who represents the city in Congress. He said the Border Patrol estimates that by Friday, 10,000 migrants will have entered Eagle Pass in a week.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/migrants-overwhelm-texas-city-of-eagle-pass/ar-AA1h3nQf


This is one entrance - there are others. 45 migrants to Cal is a drop in a 50 gallon bucket. We need to stop sanctions on Venezuela (esp oil sanctions) or this will never end till half of Venezuela travels here during the coming years.

Response to womanofthehills (Reply #28)

pinkstarburst

(1,291 posts)
30. Agreed
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 08:16 AM
Sep 2023

Texas has been dealing with this for years and in much higher numbers. Suddenly a few busses of migrants show up in a blue city and those mayors are getting out the smelling salts. While for years everyone has ignored the news stories of tiny Texas towns of 3,000 people where thousands of migrants would be camped out underneath their bridges, begging in their neighborhoods, desperate and thirsty and hungry.

Response to Initech (Original post)

Initech

(99,756 posts)
20. Abbott sent the immigrants as a "fuck you" to California.
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 07:08 PM
Sep 2023

And it's not the first time he's done this either. DeSantis is pulling similar shit. It's all to please their talk show host bosses.

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
21. Who cares why he sent them?
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 07:14 PM
Sep 2023

If California welcomes immigrants, then why should anyone care how they get there?

pinkstarburst

(1,291 posts)
23. Who cares?
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 07:33 PM
Sep 2023

Abbott and Desantis are awful. No question. But on this, they are not entirely wrong.

If we as a nation support letting these people in (and we as DEMOCRATS support letting them in), then that means we have to support them! We have to stop talking out of both sides of our mouths. 2 MILLION people crossed the southern border in 2022. 1.5 million of them crossed through Texas.

Not only should there be busses waiting to take those 2 million people to cities all across the nation, but BIDEN should be paying for the busses. Abbott should not have to do it, folks. I'll say it one more time for the kids at the back of the class: it is not the responsibility of the southern border states to deal with the 2 million migrants who come through each year. If we want those people to stay, we ALL have to support them. That means they come to YOUR community, your schools, your backyard. So Eric Adams. needs to shut his mouth with all this "they're going to destroy New York City" crap. Either we are all together on this and we are going to support these 2 million people, and the 2 million we will receive this year, and the 2 million we will receive next year and the next and the next, or we make policy changes.

But the answer ISN'T that we say "I support migrants as long as I never have to look at one."

Or "I call myself a democrat and I say I support migrants as long as Texas has to do the dirty work and keep all the migrants in their state."

Either we support these people and want to help them or we don't. But that has to be a solution all the states are in on. I'll say it again. Quit being mad at Abbott for the busses. Joe Biden should be providing the busses.

In It to Win It

(8,002 posts)
16. I'm not that nice. I would put them on a bus right back to Texas 😑
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 05:38 PM
Sep 2023

Advanced notice required.

Every bus goes back filled with those same passengers until he learns how to coordinate with us on where and when they’ll be dropped off so that we can be prepared, not the random busses here and there political stunt that he’s pulling 😑😑😑

2naSalit

(84,913 posts)
18. The "receiver" states should sue...
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 05:45 PM
Sep 2023

The shit out of FK and TX and their governors. These buses are for hire and thta should start the feds looking into their operations.

pinkstarburst

(1,291 posts)
19. What is the issue here?
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 07:05 PM
Sep 2023

In 2022, 2 million migrants crossed the border.

1.2 into Texas
500K into Arizona
140K into New Mexico
250K into California

2023 will see as many OR MORE.

Democrats need to stop talking out of both sides of our mouths on this issue. Either we support migrants and want the border to remain open as it is now or we support policy change. If our democratic values say that we want to support these people who are fleeing political violence in the countries they are coming from, ALL STATES must be prepared to receive the 2 MILLION MIGRANTS that come across the border EVERY YEAR.

It is not the job of the four southern border states to deal with this simply because they are next to the border. Democrats need to shut up with this snotty NIMBYism and saying the bussing is the problem. If we are CHOOSING to let these people into the country, then that's it! We now have made the decision to let them in! We now have to support them! And by "support them" this doesn't mean hide them in Texas where the problem is invisible to some ultra progressive voter living in a coastal state who thinks it's great to say "I support migrants as long as I never have to look at one." If our democratic values mean that we are letting these people in, every single state will have to take migrants. And MORE migrants. Every week. Every month. Or we adjust how many people we let in. That is the other option. But we can't talk both sides of our mouths. I am no Greg Abbott fan, but in this case, he is not completely wrong.

haele

(12,549 posts)
25. The issue is twofold. Climate refugees and refugees from corrupt states.
Fri Sep 22, 2023, 07:51 PM
Sep 2023

Europe is seeing millions of Climate refugees, because that's a huge cause of the political instability in North/Central Africa and the Middle East.
Areas of Central and South America have the same issues.

But Republicans and other "Nationalists" have been sitting on their hands for the past 40 years concerning both climate change and the predicted rise in refugees from developing countries that remain poor due to resources and economic exploitation. It's really easy to make a quick buck cheating your labor and flooding markets for profit. It's harder and takes longer to develop and nurture a strong economic trading partners and sustainable markets.

We (the collective) allowed greedy rich f***ers to bully their way into playing zero-sum Masters of the Universe. Now we all are going to pay for it. And rich f***ers will be the last to realize one just can't buy their way out of the death cult their game of unregulated "free trade" capitalism becomes. The tighter they try to hold on to their rich and selfish lifestyle, the more it falls apart.

It's Guillotines for everyone, the guilty and innocent alike.

Haele

EX500rider

(10,335 posts)
34. Because it really does not fit the definition:
Sat Sep 23, 2023, 12:55 PM
Sep 2023
the unlawful act of transporting or coercing people in order to benefit from their work or service, typically in the form of forced labor or sexual exploitation.
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