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LuckyCharms

(17,472 posts)
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 01:36 PM Sep 2023

If I didn't know better, I'd think that Trump is gearing up for an insanity defense.

I'm kind of torn on this.

The stuff he has been saying, especially the last few days...

Any rational person would think he is either insane or in the throes of dementia.

Maybe his lawyers told him that's his only way out?

However, I don't think Trump is so far gone yet that his ego would accept this scenario.

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If I didn't know better, I'd think that Trump is gearing up for an insanity defense. (Original Post) LuckyCharms Sep 2023 OP
74 Million people voted for him TC 1 Sep 2023 #1
This message was self-deleted by its author LuckyCharms Sep 2023 #2
Or maybe he really is insane. Ocelot II Sep 2023 #3
Entirely possible. LuckyCharms Sep 2023 #4
he's an amoral sadistic psychopath... agingdem Sep 2023 #15
This TheRealNorth Sep 2023 #21
I'd have gone with "narcissistic sociopath". Igel Sep 2023 #23
psychopath... agingdem Sep 2023 #28
No, I think he likes, or at doesn't care about the pain he inflicts dmr Sep 2023 #31
Didn't he once say (paraphrasing) Disaffected Sep 2023 #32
Yeah, "You know, he's not wrong" was my first thought. n/t Igel Sep 2023 #22
i'd rather see him in a locked ward than a prison, tbh. mopinko Sep 2023 #5
no. He thinks he's a stable genius. he can remember Man, woman, person, TV, camera Recycle_Guru Sep 2023 #6
I don't think his ego would let him take that way out.... getagrip_already Sep 2023 #7
Nah. If he convinced them he was insane Igel Sep 2023 #24
But he would be confined..... getagrip_already Sep 2023 #27
If this was anyone else... TSExile Sep 2023 #8
We saw the same thing play out with Raygun. wnylib Sep 2023 #25
Maybe? herding cats Sep 2023 #9
I don't see how any lawyer would represent him. LuckyCharms Sep 2023 #10
I've never understood it. herding cats Sep 2023 #13
If he is NOT fit to stand trial, he is NOT fit to be POTUS. ProudMNDemocrat Sep 2023 #11
The only reason he is running is because he thinks LuckyCharms Sep 2023 #12
I think he shows better now than when campaigning in 2015-16. Hortensis Sep 2023 #14
I've noticed something about him this week. LuckyCharms Sep 2023 #17
I wonder if he feels stress? LiberalFighter Sep 2023 #30
One word drmeow Sep 2023 #16
A couple things underpants Sep 2023 #18
It is extremely difficult and nearly impossible to prevail with an insanity defense dlk Sep 2023 #19
And don't forget: Only he can save this country. The_Casual_Observer Sep 2023 #20
The standard for hospitalization used to be (and probably still is): harmeful to self or others. skip fox Sep 2023 #26
How would that go if he wants to be President? LiberalFighter Sep 2023 #29
Who's the senile one? erronis Sep 2023 #33

Response to TC 1 (Reply #1)

agingdem

(7,874 posts)
15. he's an amoral sadistic psychopath...
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 01:57 PM
Sep 2023

the hovering specter of golem Jack Smith has Trump raging...he can't fathom why his decades long weapons of annihilation (threats/intimidation/personal insults) are not bringing prosecutors/judges to their knees...accountability is a bitch and it's driving him to distraction...

Igel

(35,390 posts)
23. I'd have gone with "narcissistic sociopath".
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 02:27 PM
Sep 2023

Don't see that he likes inflicting pain, more like he's oafishly oblivious to others' pain.

If he wanted to *inflict* pain, then he's obviously incompetent at the whole "sadistic" thing.

agingdem

(7,874 posts)
28. psychopath...
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 02:44 PM
Sep 2023

a person who is manipulative, dishonest, narcissistic, borderline sadistic, remorseless, controlling, apathetic, amoral, promiscuous..a pathological liar...Donald J. Trump..

dmr

(28,364 posts)
31. No, I think he likes, or at doesn't care about the pain he inflicts
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 02:52 PM
Sep 2023

There more to pain than physical pain.

He lashes out at people causing them tremendous pain. Look at what he did to those two women in Georgia -- they are still suffering - scared to death, i would be, too..

This just one example of his enjoyment, or at least his "I don't give a shit".

I'd offer more examples, but I don't feel well and can't think straight.

Disaffected

(4,574 posts)
32. Didn't he once say (paraphrasing)
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 02:55 PM
Sep 2023

"When someone hits me, I hit back 10 times harder"?

Sounds like me he gets at least some satisfaction in inflicting pain and suffering.

mopinko

(70,375 posts)
5. i'd rather see him in a locked ward than a prison, tbh.
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 01:40 PM
Sep 2023

this country, hell, this world, needs a srs discussion about how to spot a mad man b4 u elect him leader of the free world.
his records at reed wd make it a slam dunk.

getagrip_already

(14,970 posts)
7. I don't think his ego would let him take that way out....
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 01:42 PM
Sep 2023

He is the smarteiest after all. He has the bestiest genes. All the people say so.

Igel

(35,390 posts)
24. Nah. If he convinced them he was insane
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 02:27 PM
Sep 2023

he'd turn around and say how brilliant he was for hoodwinking them.

getagrip_already

(14,970 posts)
27. But he would be confined.....
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 02:43 PM
Sep 2023

They don't let people out the moment they are acquitted...

I just don't think he would want to end on that note. It would mean no potus, multiple trials, and years of psych battles.


wnylib

(21,785 posts)
25. We saw the same thing play out with Raygun.
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 02:30 PM
Sep 2023

Prop up the guy with Alzheimer's so he can appeal to RW fans. No way do I believe that he was not in the early stages during his terms, long before the official announcement after he was out of office.


herding cats

(19,569 posts)
9. Maybe?
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 01:46 PM
Sep 2023

I admit I knocked the concept around, too. Is he smart enough to play the demented old man so well, though?

It could just be the stress is getting to him and he can't concentrate. The Obama flub appears as if Obama popped into his brain and he went off into his fantasy land where beating Hillary was actually a defeat against Obama, his true nemesis.

The rest, other than the WWII screwup, are just the usual lunacy he feeds his ignorant base.

LuckyCharms

(17,472 posts)
10. I don't see how any lawyer would represent him.
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 01:49 PM
Sep 2023

His lawyers have their hands full with this guy.

I'm sure they are telling him to STFU, and he ignores them.

herding cats

(19,569 posts)
13. I've never understood it.
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 01:54 PM
Sep 2023

Being able to withstand the nightmare of representing mega wealthy megalomaniac scumbags is a wild niche specialty to have on your resume.

ProudMNDemocrat

(16,898 posts)
11. If he is NOT fit to stand trial, he is NOT fit to be POTUS.
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 01:51 PM
Sep 2023

Two can play this game.

Copping an insanity defense is not good political strategy. Who wants an insane POTUS?

LuckyCharms

(17,472 posts)
12. The only reason he is running is because he thinks
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 01:54 PM
Sep 2023

it will keep him out of prison.

He doesn't care about being president. He cares about keeping his ass out of prison.

As far as state charges that can't be pardoned, he probably figures he'll cross that bridge when he comes to it.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. I think he shows better now than when campaigning in 2015-16.
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 01:56 PM
Sep 2023

Remember his occasional extreme reactions to problems that arose, like the public reaction to his insulting the gold star family ? He'd disappear for a few days while he presumably got reglued together.

There was speculation they were clinical narcissistic rages, and for some while I hoped for a more profound decompensation he wouldn't come back from in time. Never happened, then or through all the extreme stresses since.

Now that I mention it, though, I can still hope. Maybe as our institutional protections continue to erode and then finally destroy his own...

LuckyCharms

(17,472 posts)
17. I've noticed something about him this week.
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 02:02 PM
Sep 2023

I'm almost 65. I don't look it. Everyone says I look early 50's. I have an older sibling who is the same way. She's in her late 70's, and she's always looked 25 years younger.

Then, all of a sudden, within a month or so, she finally looked her age. The transformation seemed to happen overnight.

Same with Trump. When I viewed his antics this week, he looked to me like he has aged 10 years in the past month.

LiberalFighter

(51,352 posts)
30. I wonder if he feels stress?
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 02:49 PM
Sep 2023

Maybe he didn't think nothing of it in the last 6 years or so.

Now with all of the court cases it has been building up?

underpants

(183,021 posts)
18. A couple things
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 02:02 PM
Sep 2023

You have 91 indictments on you

The unavoidable financial decision for being a rapist. $5M

You are so self absorbed (he gets a standing ovation at dinner every night) your 3rd string JV lawyers have no hope of stopping you from talking. Two big interviews in 3 days and then a rally.

You are right Lucky, he has no end. His ego control’s millions.

dlk

(11,601 posts)
19. It is extremely difficult and nearly impossible to prevail with an insanity defense
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 02:08 PM
Sep 2023

Although when it comes to Trump, anything goes.

skip fox

(19,360 posts)
26. The standard for hospitalization used to be (and probably still is): harmeful to self or others.
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 02:30 PM
Sep 2023

I think the second is obvious.

But who can/will make the determination

Maybe Chutkan can have him hospitalized for observation if he can't/won't shut up..

LiberalFighter

(51,352 posts)
29. How would that go if he wants to be President?
Sat Sep 16, 2023, 02:46 PM
Sep 2023

That would be another sliver of people that would not vote for him again.

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