Mormon Mountain Meadow Massacre, 11 Sept 1857. A wagon train was

[niyad]

attacked by mormons, 130 or so killed. mormons dressed as Indians. usual coverup..

There was actually movie made about this massacre, called "September Dawn", not too bad.

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1. You learn something every day here

and it seems those with agendas could drive them with lies just as well as they do today.

[central scrutinizer]

2. September 11 is a day of infamy in Chile, too.

50th anniversary. On this day in 1973 Pinochet assassinated Salvador Allende and took power

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3. Ken Burns uses a few minutes to tell about it in his Mini-Doc "The West"

Men, women and children were killed in a surprise attack.

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4. Rec

[Sneederbunk]

5. First learned of this in Mark Twain's "Roughing It."

There are a number of good books on the subject.

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6. I learned of it from watching the miniseries "Under the Banner of Heaven"

Based on a non-fiction book by Jon Krakauer.

The series is extremely good but intensely bleak.

[Brother Buzz]

7. There is no evidence Brigham Young ordered the massacre....

So Stop Saying That!



C.F. McGlashan exposed the cover-up in 1871

There is no evidence in existence, so far as is known, to incriminate him (Brigham Young) as an accessory before the fact, unless it is connected with his military position. It was claimed all the way through that orders had come from headquarters. He was Commander in Chief of the Utah militia, and it hardly seemed possible that the militia would be detailed to do such sanguinary work without some slight sanction from Salt Lake City. - C.F. McGlashan

C. F. McGlashan, a California journalist investigated the massacre in 1871 and discovered a wider cover-up after interviewing many people that actually participated in the Utah militia, but could not uncover any proof Brigham Young had a direct hand in it. The Mormon cover-up and whitewash mostly worked.

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Good read: From the Desk of Truckee's C.F. McGlashan: His Letters to Eliza Donner Houghton, Donner Party Survivor, Investigative Report of a Massacred Wagon Train, Truckee-Tahoe Adventures and More.

[niyad]

9. Where did I say that?

[Brother Buzz]

10. Not you, but the collective Mormon narrative

Up until a decade or so ago, they totally denied ANY involvement in the Massacre, then it sort of changed to accept some bad Mormons were involved without Brigham Young's knowledge.

C. F. McGlashan collected a ton of evidence pointing to Brigham Young's involvement, but NO smoking gun.

[niyad]

11. Since you acknowledge that I did not say that, one wonders why you chose

to respond as you did.

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8. Movie got zero stars from Roger Ebert. Jon Voight stars

It is not a good film