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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI famously and historically cannot stand Taylor Swift. Not her "vocals" nor her "dancing."
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The work I do requires me to constantly be asking myself: what changes peoples minds? What makes us revisit our long & deeply held beliefs? What shakes us out of our apathy? Shifts the way we distribute empathy and care? Makes us rethink who and why we love or hate?
And then I read this beautiful piece by Joe Garcia and it feels so clear that this can and often does: bearing witness to people, artists, humans who have the courage and talent to share the contours of their humanity and struggle and not so guilty pleasures with others.
This changed my mind. Not about the inalienable worthiness of folks inside and about the unjustifiable cruelty of human caging because thankfully I already knew that. But about Taylor Swift. My disdain for that lady was one I never thought I would pivot even an inch from.
But Joe Garcia in one article of raw and beautiful storytelling did what decades of an entire media and legions of Swift loyalists never could: it made me pause and rethink whether maybe I didn't have it all the way right. And he did it without even asking me to reconsider.
Incarcerated people, like all humans, shouldn't and don't have to mine their pain or justify their deep value to or for anyone. But I still feel so moved & grateful that art, people & platforms like this will change people's minds about things more fundamental than Taylor Swift.
Her music makes me feel that Im still part of the world I left behind.
The first time I heard about Taylor Swift, I was in a Los Angeles County jail, waiting to be sent to prison for murder. Sheriffs would hand out precious copies of the Los Angeles Times, and they would be passed from one reader to the next. Back then, I swore that Prince was the best songwriter of my lifetime, and I thought Swifts rise to teen-age stardom was an injustice. Id look up from her wide-eyed face in the Calendar section to see gang fights and race riots. The jail was full of young men of color who wrote and performed their own raps, often about chasing money and fame, while Swift was out there, actually getting rich and famous. How fearless could any little blond fluff like that really be?
In 2009, I was sentenced to life in prison. Early one morning, I boarded a bus in shackles and a disposable jumpsuit, and rode to Calipatria State Prison, a cement fortress on the southern fringes of California. Triple-digit temperatures, cracked orange soil, and pungent whiffs of the nearby Salton Sea made me feel as though Id been exiled to Mars. After six years in the chaos of the county jail, however, I could finally own small luxuries, like a television. The thick walls of Calipat, as we called the place, stifled our radio reception, but an institutional antenna delivered shows like Access Hollywood, Entertainment Tonight, and TMZ. I was irritated by the celebrity gossip, but it was a connection to the outside world, and it introduced me to snippets of Swifts performances for the first time. Here and there, Id catch her on The Ellen DeGeneres Show or Fallon, and was surprised by how intently she discussed her songwriting. I didnt tell anyone that I thought she was talented.
In 2013, when my security level was lowered owing to good behavior, I requested a transfer to Solano state prison, the facility with a Level 3 yard which was closest to my family in the Bay Area. I got the transfer, but my propertya TV, CD player, soap, toothpaste, lotion, foodwas lost in transit. I shared a cell with someone in the same situation, so, for months, we relied on the kindness of our neighbors to get by. Our only source of music was a borrowed pocket radio, hooked up to earbuds that cost three dollars at the commissary. At night, wed crank up the volume and lay the earbuds on the desk in our cell. Those tiny speakers radiated crickety renditions of Top Forty hits.
During that time, I heard tracks from Red, Swifts fourth studio album, virtually every hour. I was starting to enjoy them. Laying on the top bunk, I would listen to my cellmates snores and wait for We Are Never Ever Getting Back Together to come around again. When it did, I would think about the woman I had lived with for seven years, before prison. I remembered bittersweet times when my sweetheart had visited me in county jail. Wed look at each other through security glass that was reinforced by wire. It didnt seem fair to expect her to wait for me, and I told her that she deserved a partner who could be with her. But we didnt use the word never, and deep down I always hoped that wed get back together. When I heard Everything Has Changed, I had to fight back tears of exaltation and grief. Swift sings, All I knew this morning when I woke / Is I know something now / Know something now I didnt before. I thought back to our first date, and how we had talked and laughed late into the night. We had to force ourselves to get a few hours of sleep before sunrise.
https://www.newyorker.com/culture/the-weekend-essay/listening-to-taylor-swift-in-prison
Elessar Zappa
(14,077 posts)Im primarily a metal head but I think Swift makes good pop music. Good article, btw.
cilla4progress
(24,777 posts)I'm not sure I love her music. But I love her politics and her persona...and to the extent she comforts and inspires - KUDOS!
brush
(53,894 posts)blm
(113,101 posts)I decided early on that I didnt need to pay attention to Taylor Swift. What, really, could this teenage country singer have to say to someone whose musical taste was solidly in the Stones/Kinks/Dylan/Petty realm? Did I need a new LeAnn Rimes?
https://paulslansky.medium.com/discovering-taylor-swift-7b4199f854e2
tblue37
(65,490 posts)Bettie
(16,129 posts)it's OK to like her and her music.
So many people I know dislike her because she is very popular...
TigressDem
(5,125 posts)Taylor is pretty annoyingly cheerful, but she's authentic.
Music is one of those things that can help you hold on to your sanity.
murielm99
(30,765 posts)but I do. I think she is very smart, too. She presents herself and markets herself successfully.
SheilaAnn
(9,710 posts)my youngest son and I do agree on..LOL.
DownriverDem
(6,232 posts)for the Dems. That works for me.
RainCaster
(10,923 posts)She has real power with her generation and must be respected for how she uses that.
Hekate
(90,837 posts)TY so much for bringing this here Im passing it on.
Beastly Boy
(9,461 posts)Swift's songs.
This doesn't make her talented or her singing otherwise palatable. Popular, yes. Profound, no way. Like cotton candy: full of processed sugars and no nutritional value.
I keep catching myself in the thought that half of the most atrocious songs ever written were composed by just two pop icons: Taylor Swift and Katy Perry.
LisaM
(27,840 posts)Or ELO, or the soundtrack to "Saturday Night Fever" or Dan Hill ("You ask me if I love you and I choke on my reply"....)
'Diary" is one of the most awful things I have ever heard.
I am not a huge fan of either Katy Perry or Taylor Swift, but to say that they wrote half of the worst songs ever written is really a stretch.
Edited to add 'The Pina Colada Song'. Ugh!!
Beastly Boy
(9,461 posts)Sampling them on youtube just now, yes they are exceptionally atrocious indeed, but they are much easier to dismiss and forget than Perry or Swift, whose presence, as ubiquitous as it is unwanted, saturates mass and social media.
And ELO and the Bee Gees, while right there with Swift and Perry, are still not any more atrocious than the latter two.
Of course, this is all a matter of taste, and different people get pissed at different songs, so I sure appreciate your perspective and do not strongly disagree with it.
TxGuitar
(4,211 posts)To have such strong, black and white opinions about pop music I mean. Unless you're, like, 15?
There have been plenty of artists who seemed ubiquitous at the time (Paula Abdul, anyone?) that you rarely hear anymore. And I hear more ABOUT Katy Perry and Taylor Swift than I actually hear their music blasting all the time. So yeah, the claim that KP and TS wrote half of the bad songs ever written does show a lack of familiarity with music!!
Beastly Boy
(9,461 posts)I don't like music. But if you widen your scope of what you consider to be music just a tiny bit, you couldn't be more wrong. Even among your standard Billboard 100 suspects, I have a whole lot of favorites. Michael Jackson, Queen, Amy Winehouse, Eminem, along with some oldies like David Bowie, Marvin Gaye, Roy Orbison, Aretha Franklin, are all among my favorites.
Gives you a perspective of where the atrocious ones fit on this food chain, doesn't it?
And I am not even a fan of pop as a musical genre.
LisaM
(27,840 posts)No one was trying to compare her to David Bowie with his specific, arty music, or Aretha Franklin who didn't write much of her own material and who was not a particularly nice person (and who left a large unpaid bill at a store where I once worked and who left some of houses in Detroit get dilapidated over the protests of her neighbors). You certainly never imagine her giving huge bonuses to her roadie's and it's not as if she came from an underprivileged background, she grew up in comfortable circumstances with a famous father.
I think the only thing people are objecting to is that you seem to be obdurate on your statement that Katy Perry and Taylor Swift have written HALF of all the bad songs ever written. It was just a strange thing to say. Michael Jackson had plenty of duds, so do most artists, even those I really like.
Beastly Boy
(9,461 posts)The OP singles her out for vocals and choreography, and I single her out for artistic contributions to the genre. The posts that discuss how nice Swift is or isn't have nothing to do with the OP.
It is undeniable that both Swift and Perry have an 'eye candy" appeal, which they heavily rely on (more heavily than on the quality of their music, people like myself would argue) for being popular performers. Their personalities are a complete mystery to me, and I do not pretend to have the standing to comment on them. My only comment has to do with how creatively insignificant their contributions to the genre are, and how comparatively formulaic and lazy their choices are in making their music. Compared to the very eclectic bunch of musicians on my favorites list, their choices signify considerable absence of talent. More than that, I would be happy to ignore all of their songs were they not so intrusive in my life via mass and social media.
Of course, I never insisted that I have factual proof of half of Swift's and Perry's repertory making up for half of all the atrocious songs ever written. What I said is, and I quote, "I keep catching myself in the thought that half of the most atrocious songs ever written were composed by just two pop icons: Taylor Swift and Katy Perry". My apology for routinely catching myself in thoughts. Having thoughts can be obdurate at times.
oldsoftie
(12,616 posts)So you DO like pop. A lot. You just dont like ALL of it. I get that. I've never bought a Swift song, but she's sold over a hundred MILLION albums, so she's anything but "generic".
But most of her Fans probably wouldnt pay a dollar to see the bands I go see, i.e. Seether, Shinedown, Pretty Reckless, Halestorm, 80s hair bands; so there's a wide variation of "likes"
I find it hard to believe Macy Gray has been under contract for 20+ yrs, but if she HAS been its because she's got a fanbase. Who am I to tell those people they listen to crap?
Beastly Boy
(9,461 posts)I listed a few of my favorites within the genre. For this list, I didn't consider anyone outside of the genre. I didn't pick Mr. Jackson for being known as the king of pop. I think he is way overrated as a performer and significantly underrated as a musical virtuoso. His music displays the uncompromising precision of a master jeweler. Not a single note is accidental, unexamined, or out of pace. If you look at the pop artists on my list more closely, you will see that the only common denominator they have is the exceptional mastery of their craft and the hard work they put into it. I admire that in any field of human endeavor, but, with the possible exception of Roy Orbison (oh, and Jimi Hendrix, who only very loosely fits into the pop music genre), I wouldn't miss any of them.
Having said this, I don't like the genre. By definition, this means I don't dislike every single example of it, and appreciating the few artists within the genre doesn't mean that I favor them over the musicians I REALLY like outside the genre, and that list would look pretty weird to any fan of pop music.
Selling albums, BTW, is no indication of being unique in any area other than selling albums. A lot of pop music revolves around this particular metric, and this is one of the reasons I don't like pop.
rubbersole
(6,732 posts)Sympthsical
(9,121 posts)Out of spite.
Beastly Boy
(9,461 posts)Worse, you made me click, and... oh, the horror!
LuckyCharms
(17,460 posts)this article, and her legion of fans, there must be something to it.
Also, I know she is very progressive.
All of this makes me like her without knowing her.
Sogo
(4,997 posts)nt
riverbendviewgal
(4,254 posts)I did notice she a huge following. I read about her dancing and business acumen. She is pretty and progressive. Last week I read the article by the prison inmate and very impressed. He made me understand her and now I am interested in what her music says. I am a 75 year old female.
wryter2000
(46,082 posts)I like her very much. I don't listen to popular music except for funk and soul, so I don't know her music.
Four hour concerts? Sounds like she gives a good deal for hugely expensive tickets.
Sogo
(4,997 posts)It gives a glimpse of a life one can't imagine.
I'm glad Taylor Swift's music provided moments of ease for him.
Mosby
(16,366 posts)Last edited Mon Sep 4, 2023, 06:07 PM - Edit history (1)
Her recent tour grossed like 2.5 billion dollars, and now the tour movie is breaking records.
She represents music today. It's either her or bad bunny dojo cat, lisso etc. It all sucks.
oldsoftie
(12,616 posts)Her tour will likely bring HER over a BILLION dollars & the extended economic impact of her shows; (hotels, food, gas, etc) is also in the billions.
I'm an old rock & roll guy along with many of the newer rock bands, but Swift is great at what she does.
Mosby
(16,366 posts)How would like it if you walked into the grocery store and grabed some chili off the shelf and right when you do that a digital price tag doubles the price because you increased the demand. That's dynamic pricing.
LisaM
(27,840 posts)Ticketmaster pissed off a bunch of her fans.
That said, with music being streamed on services like Spotify (which I believe she boycotts and which I know that I DO boycott), artists need to make money on their tours because they cannot make as much selling recorded music as before. Spotify and the other devices pay royalties that should be considered a joke.
oldsoftie
(12,616 posts)The RESELLERS are the ones who scale the hell out of everyone.
But SOMETHING needs to be done about Ticketmasters monopoly.
LisaM
(27,840 posts)Every time I think I want to go hear him, I am put off by the ticket prices. I would love to hear him but at the most recent show they were in the hundreds.
oldsoftie
(12,616 posts)Now, they tour to make money, because its so hard to get people to BUY music. I've paid some high prices on the secondary market because I like to sit CLOSE. But the ORIGINAL prices weren't horrible.
The ONE band I'd like to see but wouldnt is the Eagles. Because they DID have ridiculous on-sale prices. Last tour the section 300 (upper level) seats were $300+. Thats the BAND screwing me.
LisaM
(27,840 posts)Consumers do have themselves to blame, in part. There is a whole generation, maybe two generations now, who have grown up without wanting to, or understanding why they should, pay for content. Just look at the fight going on in Hollywood right now.
I was lucky enough to see the Eagles many, many years ago, right after Joe Walsh joined up for a while. I don't remember the ticket price but I'm sure it was less than $20.
Iggo
(47,571 posts)Im not going to be mad at her for being successful at the pop diva formula. I saw Madonna do it. I saw Beyoncé do it. Now Im seeing Taylor Swift do it.
But like I said, she seems nice enough.
msongs
(67,453 posts)Torchlight
(3,361 posts)mn9driver
(4,428 posts)riverbendviewgal
(4,254 posts)He got life. Read what he wrote.
onenote
(42,769 posts)msongs
(67,453 posts)shoplifted some cheetos instead but that wouldnt generate as much sympathy over his chosen situation
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)wife and two adult daughters to the concert tour before ERAS TOUR and it was the best concert I have ever attended. She is brilliant and I would love to see her enter politics someday. Which reminds me, I saw Michelle Obama speaking at the US Open. Michelle is better than Barack.
Mosby
(16,366 posts)And she doesn't write her music, people like Jack Antonoff and those Swedish dudes do. She writes lyrics, bfd.
Eta I think she seems like a really nice person, I just don't like the way concerts are run these days and think there are lots of artists who don't get the attention they deserve.
Pepsidog
(6,254 posts)discipline to create an empire like hers.
TxGuitar
(4,211 posts)Or poetry in general. Dylan, Lennon etc are "just" writing lyrics? Bfd
Mosby
(16,366 posts)Is he a poet?
Layzeebeaver
(1,644 posts)...of both music AND lyrics. Neither is atop the other.
It's an art form.
The most memorable pop songs are more than likely a collaborative effort between composers and lyricists AND producers.
On occasion, one person can do it all - but mostly it's a team.
GenThePerservering
(1,840 posts)demmiblue
(36,898 posts)Tree-Hugger
(3,370 posts)lostnfound
(16,191 posts)You can always bet on that, if nothing else in life.
hunter
(38,328 posts)"She" sets a lot of these guys off.
MLAA
(17,335 posts)ancianita
(36,137 posts)I decided I like her after her latest radio release, Anti-Hero. Thanks for your post.
Sympthsical
(9,121 posts)I'm not a Swift person, but my partner likes her. This has been on kitchen rotation lately. One day, I walked in and said, "Oh, you finally figured it out!" Took him a sec, lol.
I do like this line, tho.
"Did you hear my covert narcissism I disguise as altruism?"
Brutal. Know so many people like that.
ancianita
(36,137 posts)she uses all kinds of turns of phrase in the song -- like the one you quote; I also like the rest of it, "...my covert narcissism I disguise as altruism
Like some kind of congressman?" ; and I love the background echo "tale as old as time" -- which is what made me recently pay more attention to her.
Years ago I just thought of her as another pretty face pop singer, but now I take her more seriously.
She's got quite the national female fan base.
Here's her audience singing along with her:
I have this thing where I get older but just never wiser
Midnights become my afternoons
When my depression works the graveyard shift
All of the people I've ghosted stand there in the room
I should not be left to my own devices
They come with prices and vices
I end up in crisis (tale as old as time)
I wake up screaming from dreaming
One day I'll watch as you're leaving
'Cause you got tired of my scheming
(For the last time)
It's me, hi, I'm the problem, it's me
At tea time, everybody agrees
I'll stare directly at the sun but never in the mirror
It must be exhausting always rooting for the anti-hero
Sometimes I feel like everybody is a sexy baby
And I'm a monster on the hill
Too big to hang out, slowly lurching toward your favorite city
Pierced through the heart, but never killed
Did you hear my covert narcissism I disguise as altruism
Like some kind of congressman? (Tale as old as time)
I wake up screaming from dreaming
One day I'll watch as you're leaving
And life will lose all its meaning
(For the last time)
It's me, hi, I'm the problem, it's me (I'm the problem, it's me)
At tea time, everybody agrees
I'll stare directly at the sun but never in the mirror
It must be exhausting always rooting for the anti-hero
I have this dream my daughter in-law kills me for the money
She thinks I left them in the will
The family gathers 'round and reads it and then someone screams out
"She's laughing up at us from hell"
It's me, hi, I'm the problem, it's me
It's me, hi, I'm the problem, it's me
It's me, hi, everybody agrees, everybody agrees
It's me, hi (hi), I'm the problem, it's me (I'm the problem, it's me)
At tea (tea) time (time), everybody agrees (everybody agrees)
I'll stare directly at the sun but never in the mirror
It must be exhausting always rooting for the anti-hero
ancianita
(36,137 posts)And damn, it's badass how the audience keeps singing along with her.
NNadir
(33,561 posts)...the whole thing for "the concert in the rain."
My wife and I, on the ride home from visiting my niece and her mother and brother recently, tried to find out what the music was like, so we called up a few songs.
We didn't get it.
Our conclusion was, "She's not Joni Mitchell," as we're old people.
Of course, no one is "Joni Mitchell," who isn't Joni Mitchell.
To each his or her own.
If she brings this prisoner some level of peace, I have no complaints. My niece admires her, apparently worships Swift. It's better than worshipping heroin or Donald Trump or some such awful thing.
emulatorloo
(44,187 posts)Took me a while to get it but been on board for about 10 years now.
Raine
(30,541 posts)oldsoftie
(12,616 posts)Response to demmiblue (Original post)
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Torchlight
(3,361 posts)I know how my dad felt about me hitting every Springsteen concert I could while in high school. I know how his dad felt about him going to Franki Valli a concert.
I probably have a 200th g-grandfather in my past who once said, "You kids and your newfangled lyres and anhemitonic scales. Three notes per octave on a pan flute has always been good enough for us."
Beachnutt
(7,342 posts)I thought this was very nice
housecat
(3,121 posts)Although I have no opinion of her music, anyone can see that she is a force for good, and her existence and global popularity is something we need right now. So listen and enjoy, or don't listen, but appreciate that she captivates millions of young people -- the ones we need to get out the vote. She just might be a gift -- disguised as a talented, flamboyant, and charismatic entertainer.
wolfie001
(2,270 posts)Yes!!! Beautiful, classic song sung by Taylor!
LakeArenal
(28,847 posts)If you dont like some celebrity ignore them.
So who does the author like? Maybe Id pan them just in spite.
Im sure Taylor couldnt care less anyway.
demmiblue
(36,898 posts)Celerity
(43,547 posts)progressoid
(49,999 posts)Excellent read.
MineralMan
(146,333 posts)Music is subjective. I can't say that I have listened to any of Taylor Swifts music, but given her popularity and success, clearly there are many people who like what she does.
So, who am I to call her bad names or comment negatively on her music or anything else? I'm always puzzled when people do that about performers. If they're popular, that means people like them. If you don't like them, that doesn't really matter much, it seems to me.
obamanut2012
(26,142 posts)I have been a fan since she was a kid, have been to some of her concerts, and she is energetic, sings live, and puts on a hell of a show. She is progressive, a feminist, very pro LGBT+, donates so much stuff and money to charity, has many other women as friends, etc. And, is a crazy cat lady.
She has been receiving unwarranted snark for literal decades now, and it is pretty sexist imo.
DFW
(54,445 posts)Well, you know that Taylor Swift (Swift, Swift, Swift, Swift, Swift)
Has a special gift (gift, gift, gift, gift, gift)
So never make her miffed (miffed, miffed, miffed, miffed, miffed)
Or you'll piss her off--piss her off!