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no_hypocrisy

(46,741 posts)
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 06:34 AM Sep 2023

"A Packed Supreme Court" if Joe Biden is Re-Elected???

Chris Christie on Morning Joe just now.

I wanna know how.

Even if Clarence Thomas retires (or dies) before Jan. 2030, that's it. We're still stuck with a 5-4 split and not in our favor. Alito's good for the next presidential term. So's Roberts. Trump selected Kavanaugh, Gorsuch, Comey-Barrett to sit for decades.

A packed U.S. Supreme Court? In my dreams . . . . .

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"A Packed Supreme Court" if Joe Biden is Re-Elected??? (Original Post) no_hypocrisy Sep 2023 OP
My personal wet dream. RandySF Sep 2023 #1
Let's not forget Alito. 634-5789 Sep 2023 #2
Don't threaten me with a good time Crispy Cream maxrandb Sep 2023 #3
The red state mafia are going to have a conniption no matter what we do. SalamanderSleeps Sep 2023 #4
Exactly. They're perpetually pissed and hysterical anyway. paleotn Sep 2023 #9
Only possible if we get a strong majority in Congress. wnylib Sep 2023 #29
Not beyond the realm of possibilities this go around. paleotn Sep 2023 #33
I sure hope so. But we need more than hope. wnylib Sep 2023 #36
The entire federal court system needs to be overhauled. Lonestarblue Sep 2023 #14
I agree! Karma13612 Sep 2023 #23
Yup. 2naSalit Sep 2023 #17
Yes! This! AllyCat Sep 2023 #18
That's a message to the Republican voter to gotv. Emile Sep 2023 #5
There is no realistic way we can replicate a biased majority SCOTUS like the Republicans have done. cstanleytech Sep 2023 #6
As the federal court system has expanded to accommodate a larger populace.... paleotn Sep 2023 #7
I wish Takket Sep 2023 #8
I hear ya, but I never thought I'd see in my lifetime... paleotn Sep 2023 #11
I totally suport Biden packing the Court Fresh Water Falling Sep 2023 #10
Really? Isn't he only in his early 70s? AllyCat Sep 2023 #21
He's 75 ITAL Sep 2023 #22
Yup. He'll serve out his term until death so AllyCat Sep 2023 #30
Sounds like Christie is providing good reasons to vote for Biden. Baitball Blogger Sep 2023 #12
He must have read the Pelican Brief JanMichael Sep 2023 #13
Looks like Christie snowybirdie Sep 2023 #15
MSNBC is the "Never Trump" channel AZSkiffyGeek Sep 2023 #32
Anything can happen vercetti2021 Sep 2023 #16
IT'S ALREADY PACKED mellow Sep 2023 #19
Um. It's ALREADY packed. CousinIT Sep 2023 #20
Republicans know a thing or 2 about packing courts, vlyons Sep 2023 #24
Maybe if two go packing with their plunder Historic NY Sep 2023 #25
Possibly, if Biden is re-elected, to be followed ... JustABozoOnThisBus Sep 2023 #26
You're forgetting that SCOTUS could be expanded beyond 9 seats Fiendish Thingy Sep 2023 #27
In my assessment, 2024 comes down to 4 states bucolic_frolic Sep 2023 #28
What if we lose the Senate? Polybius Sep 2023 #31
2024 isn't a kind map for us Sympthsical Sep 2023 #34
I only wish it were true Silent3 Sep 2023 #35

634-5789

(4,176 posts)
2. Let's not forget Alito.
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 06:49 AM
Sep 2023

Or, some 'accidental' situation. Hope springs eternal for a return to an actual liberal SCOTUS.

SalamanderSleeps

(617 posts)
4. The red state mafia are going to have a conniption no matter what we do.
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 07:23 AM
Sep 2023

So, fuck them.

It's time to repair the court and be done with it.

They are going to threaten "Second Amendment Remedies" anyway.

I don't see where expanding the court has any kind of downside.

We have had 9 Justice's since 1869 when our population was only about 40 million people.

It's time to give the court the additional resources, and integrity, that it will need to handle the challenging times ahead.

paleotn

(18,188 posts)
9. Exactly. They're perpetually pissed and hysterical anyway.
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 08:04 AM
Sep 2023

We need to stop worrying about their reaction and do what needs to be done.

Lonestarblue

(10,551 posts)
14. The entire federal court system needs to be overhauled.
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 08:12 AM
Sep 2023

Start with term limits, probably legal if termed-out judges are rotated to lesser courts or assigned as senior judges who fill in when others must recuse themselves. They still have lifetime appointments, just not as active judges. I think many would choose to leave instead of sitting around with few cases, which would be good.

Then evaluate the work loads for all circuits and the total population covered by each circuit. I think we’d find that population growth has shifted to the South, with those circuits now covering more people. Then re-group the states within each circuit for a better population balance. We would also have a better ideological balance if circuits were made up of states from north to south rather than all south or all north. Next, add four new justices to the Supreme Court to have the Court with one justice for each of the circuits.

And last, but certainly not least, establish ethics rules with clear punishments for violations, including declaring any free trips or other largesse from donors deemed as acceptable as income on which justices must pay taxes.

Our courts are currently a mess, including the SC. But f course we can do nothing without a good majority in Congress and a willing president. Let’s hope 2024 gives us that.

Karma13612

(4,558 posts)
23. I agree!
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 09:19 AM
Sep 2023

A major issue I have with our current system of justice is the ridiculously long time it takes to get cases thru the system.

Fair and speedy trial? What a joke! Justice should not take years and years. For either the defendant or the plaintiff/state.

“We the people” should not have to wait years and years to see justice when people break the law. Especially when it means deciding if a defendant is contemplating/running for office.

We have just learned to “accept” the “normal” round of appeals that extend court cases to obscenely long time frames. Cases against drug companies or tobacco companies or other nefarious entities that see plaintiffs die or go bankrupt while waiting for justice. It’s baked in to our justice system.

And it’s wrong.

paleotn

(18,188 posts)
7. As the federal court system has expanded to accommodate a larger populace....
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 07:59 AM
Sep 2023

so should the Supremes. It only make sense. And while we're at it, increase the size of the House. Our population has more than tripled since 1913 and yet we're stuck at 435 House seats that were never meant to have such large constituencies. There's 736 members of the German Bundestag, 620 MPs in the UK, yet we're stuck at 435 with 3 and 5 times their population respectively.. Time to change that.

Takket

(21,919 posts)
8. I wish
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 08:00 AM
Sep 2023

As I told my parents when RBG passed away, we will not see a blue court again in our lifetimes. It is lost for a generation. Maybe my kid will see one.

paleotn

(18,188 posts)
11. I hear ya, but I never thought I'd see in my lifetime...
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 08:07 AM
Sep 2023

legal same sex marriage, orientation as a protected class under Title 7 and a whole host of other things, yet here we are.

 
10. I totally suport Biden packing the Court
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 08:05 AM
Sep 2023

He'll certainly get to replace Thomas, who is not long for this world. And if he's reelected, he probably gets to replace Alito, too.

AllyCat

(16,393 posts)
21. Really? Isn't he only in his early 70s?
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 08:47 AM
Sep 2023

They’ll embalm and prop him up like so many others and keep him saying nothing while destroying everything.

snowybirdie

(5,306 posts)
15. Looks like Christie
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 08:24 AM
Sep 2023

Is now MSNBC's favorite candidate. He's on it every other day. So much for it being the liberal go to channel.

AZSkiffyGeek

(11,436 posts)
32. MSNBC is the "Never Trump" channel
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 12:46 PM
Sep 2023

That's not the same thing as the "Liberal" channel. They've got a nice stable of neocon pundits they can rely on to trash P01135809, then in the same breath bash the Biden administration.

mellow

(76 posts)
19. IT'S ALREADY PACKED
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 08:39 AM
Sep 2023

It's packed with far-right ideologues, the last three by the former guy.

They don't have a problem with packing the court. They have a problem with it being unpacked even a little.

CousinIT

(9,387 posts)
20. Um. It's ALREADY packed.
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 08:42 AM
Sep 2023

With Federalist Society Fascists. The ONLY way right now to UNpack it and rebalance it, is to expand it.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,481 posts)
26. Possibly, if Biden is re-elected, to be followed ...
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 10:12 AM
Sep 2023

... by President Newsom or President Whitmer (my two current 2028 faves)

Maybe then we can rebalance the court.

Fiendish Thingy

(15,899 posts)
27. You're forgetting that SCOTUS could be expanded beyond 9 seats
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 10:27 AM
Sep 2023

And the new vacancies filled with non-fascist justices.

But I don’t think Biden would support that.

But, I do think President Whitmer would in 2028…

Sympthsical

(9,238 posts)
34. 2024 isn't a kind map for us
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 02:36 PM
Sep 2023

More Democratic incumbents than Republican in tricky areas.

But, look at the bright side. Republicans were hell bent in pushing terrible general candidates through the primaries in 2022. Maybe they can double up on the stupid next time as well.

Silent3

(15,637 posts)
35. I only wish it were true
Mon Sep 4, 2023, 02:39 PM
Sep 2023

Sadly, even with a Biden win and managing to keep control of the Senate, I don't think we'll have enough Democrats with the desire or the guts to expand the court, AS WE SHOULD.

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