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Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin

(108,010 posts)
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:36 PM Aug 2023

GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy says China can have Taiwan after 2028 if he is elected

Republican presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy said China could invade Taiwan without major consequences from the U.S. once he has hypothetically attained the nation’s “semiconductor independence” in 2028.

Semiconductor independence: In an interview with conservative radio host Hugh Hewitt, Ramaswamy stressed the importance of semiconductors and why the U.S. should take aggressive action until the nation is able to produce its own. Ramaswamy noted that China would hypothetically not take the risk of aggressing towards Taiwan for his term “if we show we’re serious about [semiconductor independence].”

"The truth of the matter is there are two reasons why China wants to annex Taiwan. One is to squat on the semiconductor supply chain so they can exert leverage over the United States of America. That’s not happening on my watch. I’d take a firm position on that.

"But the second reason why is that they have unfinished nationalistic business dating back to their civil war in 1949. And if that’s the sole basis for Xi Jinping going after Taiwan after we have semiconductor independence, then you know what? I am not going to send our sons and daughters to die over that conflict. And that’s consistent with my position on Ukraine as well."


https://www.yahoo.com/news/gop-presidential-candidate-vivek-ramaswamy-221416646.html

Stick a fork in him. He's done.
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GOP presidential candidate Vivek Ramaswamy says China can have Taiwan after 2028 if he is elected (Original Post) Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2023 OP
This guy has no idea what he's doing. He thinks he can give Taiwan to China? brush Aug 2023 #1
He said no American lives for Taiwan. WarGamer Aug 2023 #13
How many Americans live in Taiwan? Mr.Bill Aug 2023 #20
As of May 2023, there were 11,232 American citizens living in Taiwan, making it the 7th largest fore sinkingfeeling Aug 2023 #22
Same with Ukraine? brush Aug 2023 #24
Taiwan should be supported as we are in Ukraine. WarGamer Aug 2023 #31
This message was self-deleted by its author niyad Aug 2023 #29
Shouldn't you be asking that of the person I responded to? brush Aug 2023 #32
I thought I was. niyad Aug 2023 #33
Back that up, if you would, please. niyad Aug 2023 #34
Even though the Democratic Party has changed greatly over the last 5-10 years... WarGamer Aug 2023 #35
Our policy regarding Taiwan seems paradoxical Mad_Machine76 Aug 2023 #40
War with China is unimaginable. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2023 #38
I didn't know that was up to us. Wingus Dingus Aug 2023 #2
He just lost a lot of Asian American votes with that comment. kimbutgar Aug 2023 #3
Sounds like a clarion call to have China meddle in our election. chowder66 Aug 2023 #4
"China!" Mad_Machine76 Aug 2023 #14
Yep, more than a dogwhistle, more like a bullhorn. n/t area51 Aug 2023 #18
Successful audition for his own show on Faux News or News Max tulipsandroses Aug 2023 #5
And while there, give Ukraine to Putin question everything Aug 2023 #6
FWIW, I am a veteran .... anciano Aug 2023 #7
I hope you are aware that no one in our party is suggesting we do. Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Aug 2023 #9
Then what is the suggestion? former9thward Aug 2023 #25
thank you. WarGamer Aug 2023 #12
Where did you serve? brush Aug 2023 #28
Well that was easy AltairIV Aug 2023 #8
How many American lives are OK to sacrifice to keep Taiwan independent? WarGamer Aug 2023 #11
Hard to say Red Mountain Aug 2023 #16
Actually President Biden said we would come to Taiwan's defense. DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2023 #17
The White House has walked back those comments. former9thward Aug 2023 #26
I read where the mission would take 400,000 to 2,000,000 troops DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2023 #37
Who said anything MorbidButterflyTat Aug 2023 #42
This message was self-deleted by its author WarGamer Aug 2023 #10
It would destabilize the continent and send shockwaves from Korea to Japan to the Philippines DemocratSinceBirth Aug 2023 #15
Yeaaaa. He's toast. Smdh....What a dipshit. FlyingPiggy Aug 2023 #19
(((GONG))) 2naSalit Aug 2023 #21
Enjoy Caveman Life NowISeetheLight Aug 2023 #23
Stupid asshole doesn't know he is stupid. dalton99a Aug 2023 #27
Electrified? niyad Aug 2023 #30
Hopeless loser says what? NT GenThePerservering Aug 2023 #36
I knew this guy was a lunatic. sarcasmo Aug 2023 #39
Because it's his to give away? Iggo Aug 2023 #41

brush

(53,784 posts)
24. Same with Ukraine?
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 10:40 PM
Aug 2023

You're in a definite minority on this post. Taiwan is a long-time ally. That means nothing to you? I would say it does to Asian Americans.

WarGamer

(12,445 posts)
31. Taiwan should be supported as we are in Ukraine.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 12:15 AM
Aug 2023

Weapons, intelligence and training.

No, I don't support a single US life being lost for Ukraine or Taiwan.

Just my opinion.

Response to WarGamer (Reply #13)

WarGamer

(12,445 posts)
35. Even though the Democratic Party has changed greatly over the last 5-10 years...
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 12:28 AM
Aug 2023

I'd like to think that most Democrats are anti-war and anti sending our youth to die for a foreign nation.

I support treating Taiwan like we do Ukraine currently...

Arm them, train them and give them intelligence.

The White House even walked back the Presidents claim about fighting China for Taiwan directly.

https://www.voanews.com/a/us-state-department-walks-back-biden-s-unusually-strong-comments-on-taiwan-/6588234.html

Mad_Machine76

(24,412 posts)
40. Our policy regarding Taiwan seems paradoxical
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 09:08 PM
Aug 2023

We don’t want to risk war over Taiwan but OTOH we don’t want China to invade and overrun it either. So far all sides are maintaining the status quo but if things ever disintegrate I have no idea what will actually happen.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
38. War with China is unimaginable.
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 10:40 AM
Aug 2023

OTOH, if Taiwan falls our position in Asia falls with it. Japan, South Korea, the Philippines depend on American deterrence. Anyway I read China would need 400,000-2,000,000 troops for the mission. The latter figure is the size of their entire military. The Taiwan Strait is long. Chiang Kai-shek knew what he was doing when he set up a government in exile there. I would add Chiang was an autocrat but Taiwan is a flourishing democracy now.

kimbutgar

(21,155 posts)
3. He just lost a lot of Asian American votes with that comment.
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:42 PM
Aug 2023

Will he also let Russia take over Ukraine if elected?

He is one evil POS!

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
5. Successful audition for his own show on Faux News or News Max
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:47 PM
Aug 2023

Someone should call him and let him know, so he can stop the public display of stupidity.

anciano

(995 posts)
7. FWIW, I am a veteran ....
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 07:58 PM
Aug 2023

and I don't believe we should send our sons and daughters to die for anybody. Period. Just saying...

former9thward

(32,017 posts)
25. Then what is the suggestion?
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 10:47 PM
Aug 2023

Without direct American military intervention there is no way Taiwan could stop a Chinese military attack.

Red Mountain

(1,733 posts)
16. Hard to say
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 08:59 PM
Aug 2023

not knowing who will be President when push comes to shove.

But that's the point of our long standing policy, is it not?

not giving away the game before it starts?

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
17. Actually President Biden said we would come to Taiwan's defense.
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 09:06 PM
Aug 2023

The surest way for them to attack is if they are convinced we won't react. Also, I'm not convinced it will be remotely easy. The Taiwan Strait is long.

former9thward

(32,017 posts)
26. The White House has walked back those comments.
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 11:02 PM
Aug 2023
The White House keeps walking back Biden’s remarks

Speaking Monday in Tokyo, President Biden sent his aides scrambling when, deviating from decades of carefully crafted policy, he declared that the United States would defend Taiwan militarily if China attacked it.

“Yes, that’s the commitment we made,” Biden said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2022/05/24/biden-walk-back-remarks/

No it would not be easy for China, but it would be impossible for the U.S. to militarily defend Taiwan. China has the largest Navy in the world and the distance between China's navy and the U.S, navy in terms of ships grows each year.

MorbidButterflyTat

(1,819 posts)
42. Who said anything
Wed Aug 16, 2023, 11:25 PM
Aug 2023

about sacrificing American lives, other than this grifting MAGAt?

Psycho Ramaswamy says, "I am not going to send our sons and daughters to die over that conflict. And that’s consistent with my position on Ukraine as well."

How many American lives have been sacrificed for Ukraine?

Response to Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin (Original post)

NowISeetheLight

(3,943 posts)
23. Enjoy Caveman Life
Tue Aug 15, 2023, 10:27 PM
Aug 2023

Sure, give them 95% of the world’s semiconductor manufacturing. Good luck with anything in America requiring technology then.

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