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In It to Win It

(8,333 posts)
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 02:27 PM Aug 2023

Judge Reminds Anti-Abortion Attorneys That No Women Helped Draft Utah's Constitution in 1895

Judge Reminds Anti-Abortion Attorneys That No Women Helped Draft Utah's Constitution in 1895


Utah Supreme Court Judge Paige Petersen is a member of the court’s first female-majority.

Anti-abortion attorneys defending Utah’s abortion trigger ban, which is currently blocked, on Tuesday appealed to the state Supreme Court by calling on the justices to focus on the state Constitution in deciding whether to lift the injunction on the ban. They argued that Utah’s Constitution is clear that abortion should be prohibited: “There is an unbroken history and tradition … before 1973 [when Roe v. Wade was decided], of prohibiting abortion. And that unbroken history has to be part of this Court’s analysis, rather than present-day policy arguments about the benefits or the or lack thereof of abortion,” attorney Taylor Meehan argued.

In response, Judge Paige Petersen reminded Meehan of some state history that the attorneys defending the law seemed to be forgetting: “Women were in the audience, but they weren’t any of the delegates” who helped create the state Constitution in 1895, Petersen said, according to Axios. “How do we know … what they thought the meaning of their rights were? It seems important in this context because women are the ones that experience pregnancy and experience childbirth.”
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Judge Reminds Anti-Abortion Attorneys That No Women Helped Draft Utah's Constitution in 1895 (Original Post) In It to Win It Aug 2023 OP
I'm surprised their argument wasn't SCantiGOP Aug 2023 #1
Just a FWIW: That Utah Constitution did guarantee women the vote, 25 years before the 19A. HardPort Aug 2023 #5
That's strong evidence that the Utah Constitution sought to treat women equally. Hermit-The-Prog Aug 2023 #7
Didn't know that SCantiGOP Aug 2023 #8
I think women had greater representation as landowners Ilsa Aug 2023 #12
more money, more voice SCantiGOP Aug 2023 #17
The Justice quoted above dated Jack Smith and says he's the best prosecutor she has ever seen/known. Hamlette Aug 2023 #2
Wow. It truly is a small world. n/t iluvtennis Aug 2023 #3
Bwah! True. ffr Aug 2023 #4
Hmmm Snackshack Aug 2023 #6
Perhaps hildegaard28 Aug 2023 #9
👍 Deuxcents Aug 2023 #10
I absolutely think this is fair, under the equality rules and laws. slightlv Aug 2023 #11
"Women were in the audience, but they weren't any of the delegates" Ray Bruns Aug 2023 #13
Did they work in the kitchen barefoot? usaf-vet Aug 2023 #15
You betcha! Ray Bruns Aug 2023 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author Ray Bruns Aug 2023 #13

SCantiGOP

(13,881 posts)
1. I'm surprised their argument wasn't
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 03:04 PM
Aug 2023

that this fact should then nullify women having the vote.
Make the 19th Century Great Again.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,656 posts)
7. That's strong evidence that the Utah Constitution sought to treat women equally.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 05:19 PM
Aug 2023

There is no "equal protection under the law" if roughly half the population can be forced into indentured servitude by the state.

SCantiGOP

(13,881 posts)
8. Didn't know that
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 05:37 PM
Aug 2023

But I knew Wyoming was first state to give women the vote.
Western states used to have a strong tradition of the best aspects of populism and libertarianism. Even during the 60s a lot of the strongest opponents to the Vietnam War were Western state Senators of both parties.

Ilsa

(61,721 posts)
12. I think women had greater representation as landowners
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 09:21 AM
Aug 2023

and therefore, wealth in some western states. I can't be certain, but women were allowed to inherit and own real estate in order to keep large estate holdings within families.

More money, louder voice.

SCantiGOP

(13,881 posts)
17. more money, more voice
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 08:47 PM
Aug 2023

For good or bad, that is a very apt 4 word description of our political system.

Hamlette

(15,415 posts)
2. The Justice quoted above dated Jack Smith and says he's the best prosecutor she has ever seen/known.
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 03:05 PM
Aug 2023

Good on her for this quote, btw.

Snackshack

(2,541 posts)
6. Hmmm
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 04:19 PM
Aug 2023

“It seems important in this context because women are the ones that experience pregnancy and experience childbirth.”


Doesn’t seem, it is. Certainly the neanderthals feel different. Surprised they didn’t object to this characterization of birth.

hildegaard28

(391 posts)
9. Perhaps
Wed Aug 9, 2023, 06:07 PM
Aug 2023

We need to start drafting constitutional amendments that forbid men from drafting and voting on legislation related to women's genitals. If they don't have those parts, they shouldn't be allowed to draft laws about them.

slightlv

(2,911 posts)
11. I absolutely think this is fair, under the equality rules and laws.
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 07:36 AM
Aug 2023

Otherwise, why shouldn't women start proposing and (where possible) start passing all sorts of laws about men's bodies? For example, do you know how dangerous cialis and other drugs like that are to men? Yet the warnings are in the finest of fine print on the TV ads for the cheapie generics. My husband, who is 74 and has had 2 heart attacks, has never even had the warnings given to him by his nurse practitioner! Yet I was concerned enough, and love my husband enough to want to keep him around for a long time more, that I did the research. AFAIC, lack of that info from a doctor borders on malpractice. What if we women at least demanded black box warnings on all these types of drugs and their herbal knockoffs? Or even forbade the herbal knockoffs?!

And that's just for starters. That's actually proposing something that really does have men's health at heart. We could get as cocky (forgive the pun) as the men do to us where it goes to stripping reproductive rights. I'm sure we women here could come up with a whole list of ideas, modeled after the rights that we have lost recently.

Ray Bruns

(4,139 posts)
13. "Women were in the audience, but they weren't any of the delegates"
Thu Aug 10, 2023, 09:33 AM
Aug 2023

The attorney replied,”That’s not true. Some of them were in the kitchen also.”

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