UFO "Whistleblower" previously made the wild claim that the Vatican was part of a UFO cover-up

[brooklynite]

The former intelligence officer who told Congress this week that the US has evidence of alien life previously made a wild claim that the Vatican was part of a massive UFO cover-up.

...snip...

In an interview with NewsNation in June, Grusch expanded on his belief that there's a massive international cover-up of alien life that's been going on for 90 years.

He told NewsNation that in 1933 the Italian government under Benito Mussolini recovered a UAP, which it then "moved to a secure airbase in Italy for the rest of the fascist regime until 1944-1945."

Then, shockingly, Grusch said Pope Pius XII "backchanneled that" and the Vatican "told the Americans what the Italians had and we ended up scooping it."

https://www.businessinsider.com/whistleblower-who-testified-us-has-alien-proof-claimed-vatican-coverup-2023-7

[Polybius]

1. That's not that wild

It has been alleged for decades.

[MLAA]

2. +1

Church has plenty of practice in cover ups. I’d say it’s not out of the question.

[Clash City Rocker]

8. Right. Any wacko conspiracy theory has to involve either Catholics or Jews

It’s a tradition.

[bottomofthehill]

9. Winner. Papists, Jews and communists will be the downfall of master race

All anti progressive propaganda must blame one of those groups.
Oddly, Republicans like the Papists when it comes to abortion
Republicans like the Jews as they must control the Holy Land for the Rapture to occur
Republicans like the Russians (communists) because Trump wants a trump tower in Russia and they blindly follow the Trump.

[shrike3]

18. Mention "Vatican cover-up" and DU believes in aliens.

It's a miracle. (Pun intended.)

[bucolic_frolic]

3. I think these people grew up on 1960s UFO magazines

and probably own the legacy copyrights and publishing assets now.

[BootinUp]

4. I'm shocked. No not really, lol. nt

[multigraincracker]

5. I could care less about UFOs.

I would hope they keep it all a secret until one of them speaks to us. Then I’ll give it some thought.

[LeftInTX]

6. Yeah, I'm still waiting

I really don't like the crackpots though

[shrike3]

20. I think if aliens show up here, we'll know.

Until then, I won't worry.

[LeftInTX]

7. Grusch must be writing a book or looking to host a new aliens show

[yardwork]

10. If there was a massive global coverup, the Vatican would have to be involved.

[ratchiweenie]

11. Aliens are an affront to religious doctrine worldwide. I wouldn't doubt the Vatican would be

involved in a cover-up.

[BootinUp]

13. What is that, the doctrine of conspira-logic?

[Ocelot II]

12. I'm not saying it's aliens...

[Autumn]

14. Not that wild of a claim. The Vatican covers up a lot of shit.

When the Vatican speaks I agree with the assumption they are lying and covering up something. Because that's what they do.

[Ocelot II]

15. Maybe their alleged UFO coverup is because they never got over Galileo.

[Goonch]

16. 👇👇👇👁️👁️

[Chainfire]

17. The congress should vet their "experts" a little better.

[nolabear]

19. Well sure. That old wheel of fire spinning in the air.

Ascensions. Resurrections. What else but alien technology?

[MorbidButterflyTat]

21. WTAF right now??

So I did a search at Amazon for books by this guy, and got this:

ALIENS THEY ARE COMING: Pentagon report David Grusch 1933 Mussolini's UFO
by David Egon Trevor | Jul 30, 2023

So here's this book, released today, by an author named "David Egon Trevor."

Egon??

So I google searched his name and what comes up are links to friggin Ghost Busters fan fiction! WTF?

"Trevor Spengler is the love child of Egon and Janine." Again, WTF??

("Janine" was the Ghost Busters' secretary, played by Annie Potts.)

Who vetted this guy, and who brought him in to testify to Congress?

This is NUTS.

[shrike3]

22. Ghostbuster's fan fiction?

Just when I think our public discourse can't get any weirder.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

23. I'd love to

post a pic of the cover of "Egon's" book, of a real live alien shaking hands with some older guy, while the US flag flies in the background, but I don't know how!

[shrike3]

24. I don't know how, either.

Wish I did. Add a bit of levity to all this.

[MorbidButterflyTat]

27. It's totally legit!

Here's the book info link to Amazon:

https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CD13RMHZ/ref=sr_1_2?crid=EUJNKNER9WVU&keywords=David+Grusch&qid=1690751885&s=books&sprefix=david+grusch+%2Cstripbooks%2C169&sr=1-2

You can see the cover there.

Or you could search it yourself. It comes right up at Amazon.

I can't believe no one looked into this "whistleblower".

[shrike3]

36. Thanks for the link, but I totally believed you anyway.

People will believe anything. And if a Vatican cover-up is alleged, well then, it must be true.

[edhopper]

28. Here is a pic

of the book

[MorbidButterflyTat]

42. Thank you!

This is the guy testifying to congress.

Totally legit.

[canetoad]

49. This post is a perfect example

Of people/person misinterpreting search results as being 'truth' and not really understanding how search terms work.

A search for David Egon Trevor does indeed bring up some Ghostbusters results - because without specified search parameters the search is for any site where the info contains the words David, Egon or Trevor.

If you use quote marks, the search results are considerably constrained to sites, in whose description, that exact term is used. Mostly to a dozen Amazon sites with French language results.

You really need to learn how to frame your search terms, so as not to return misleading results that can be pounced upon and quoted on reputable websites like DU.

[LiberalFighter]

25. I don't watch Newsnation and never will. They are more tabloid than anything else.

[brooklynite]

26. And the relevance to the story?

Either the "whistleblower" said it or he didn't.

[LiberalFighter]

29. Newsnation made the interview.

[brooklynite]

30. Again, doesn't matter

Unless you're claiming that Newsnation made the story up.

[LiberalFighter]

32. Everytime they have their daily promo on the local news they hype it bigtime.

IMO they don't have top quality news people when they have Bill O'Reilly and apparently other former Fox News personnel.

[shrike3]

37. The link is actually Business Insider

Quoting an interview Grusch gave to Newsnation.

[Quixote1818]

31. Not sure how accurate body language analyzers are, but I watched one who thought he was lying

by the way he constantly presses his lips together after answering questions. He strikes me as a fraud.

[roamer65]

33. The ICIG has found Grusch's claims in his whistleblowers report to be credible and actionable.

I’m taking a wait and see approach.

The Pentagon definitely needs more oversight anyway.

[shrike3]

35. Do you have a credible link?

I have seen nothing that indicates anyone but the usual suspects think he's credible. But maybe I'm not googling the right words.

[roamer65]

38. ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Grusch_UFO_whistleblower_claims

I find it very, very interesting that his attorney is I. Charles McCullough. The ICIG from Obama’s administration. He would not be involved if he thought Grusch’s whistleblower report was garbage.

[shrike3]

39. I've already read this particular link.

Maybe I missed it, but I don't see anything here about the ICIG saying the claim is credible.

From your link:

Greg Eghigian, a history professor at Pennsylvania State University and expert in the history of UFOs as it occurs in the context of public fascination notes that there have been many instances over recent decades in the U.S. of people "who previously worked in some kind of federal department" coming forward to make "bombshell allegations" about the truth regarding UFOs with the whistleblower claims by Grusch fitting this pattern.[30] Eghigian described the 1940s–50s media enthusiasm about flying saucers, and comments that the successful books on the subject by authors Donald Keyhoe, Frank Scully and Gerald Heard, "provided the model for a new kind of public figure: the crusading whistleblower dedicated to breaking the silence over the alien origins of unidentified flying objects."[31] Since then all these similarly credentialed claimants have been unable to provide any further corroboration.[31] Eghigian noted the All-Domain Anomaly Resolution Office denied all of the claims made by Grusch and he questioned the veracity of Grusch's claims. According to The Guardian:

Eghigian is also skeptical about the veracity of these claims because it looks like Grusch followed Pentagon protocol in publishing this information, meaning that the Department of Defence approved the information he would pass on to the press, which is something the department only does if the information is not classified. If Grusch is telling the truth, surely this information would be classified, Eghigian says, and the department would not have allowed him to go on the record.[30]

Seth Shostak, the senior astronomer at the SETI Institute writing on MSNBC.com about Grusch's claims made in his testimony to Congress, said that the claims are extraordinary, "But where is the evidence? It’s MIA. Neither Grusch nor anyone else claiming to have knowledge of secret government UAP programs has ever been able to publicly produce convincing photos showing alien hardware splayed across the landscape. And remember, we’re not talking about a Cessna that plowed into a wheat field. We’re talking about, presumably, an alien interstellar rocket, capable of bridging trillions of miles of space, and sporting technology that is obviously alien." Shostak concluded that "From the standpoint of science, there’s still no good evidence [that extraterrestrials are visiting the Earth], only an 'argument from authority.' ... Grusch "says they’re here. But either he can’t prove it, or he won’t. Until he does, we should consider his stories to be just that: stories."

My take on Grusch is similar to Eghigian's: we've heard this all before.

I just read the link again, still see nothing about the ICIG finding his claims credible. Could you copy and paste, if you do find it?

[roamer65]

40. Or due to classification, we aren't hearing what we need to hear.

I’m simply keeping an open mind and watching where it goes.

[shrike3]

41. Have you located where in this article the ICIG says he's credible?

[Snooper9]

43. I actually have that level of classification...

on the inside, we all know he is full of shit- just FYI

[roamer65]

46. LOL.

Ok, Mr 196 posts.

[Snooper9]

50. not

lying

[Major Nikon]

45. Do you think the Vatican needs to be investigated also?

Or is it safe to assume this guy is crazy as a shithouse rat?

[MorbidButterflyTat]

44. Well

You don't have to wait. You can order Grusch's Ghost Busters fan fiction, released today and available on Amazon.

See photo kindly supplied by edhopper, post 28.

[roamer65]

47. ...

Let’s see what Chuck Schumer’s UAP amendment to the NDAA stirs up if passed into law.

[shrike3]

34. Brings back memories of three years ago, when I was told Pope Francis helped steal the election.

Per the "Italian satellites changed votes" theory.

Trumpers told me in all seriousness that Francis had already been arrested and it would be announced shortly.

These same Trumpers now tell me Francis is part of the QAnon cult. If he has time, I suppose he could take part in an alien cover-up.

[Silent3]

48. Decidedly deranged for chocolate-flavored heat-expanded cereal morsels n/t