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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIt's time to call in US Marshals for Newbern, Alabama
What year is it again?
[link:https://capitalbnews.org/newbern-alabama-black-mayor/|
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lpbk2713
(42,791 posts)But then, you have to consider ...
edisdead
(1,979 posts)It is very easy for me to believe actually.
Mariana
(14,864 posts)Recycle_Guru
(2,973 posts)JanMichael
(24,914 posts)TomSlick
(11,188 posts)The Posse Comitatus Act forbids using federal troops to enforce civilian law unless there is an insurrection.
JanMichael
(24,914 posts)And isn't a denial of an elected seat may be a type of insurrection as well?
Either way paratroopers are more intimidating.
Not sure if they still have bayonets but that would be fun to watch.
KPN
(15,697 posts)JanMichael
(24,914 posts)They just have to be on the ends of the rifles. That's it. Most people sit down and shut the fuck up at the sight of them.
aggiesal
(8,973 posts)We will fight up close, seize the moment and stay in it
It's either that or meet the business end of a bayonet.
Wonder Why
(3,438 posts)local paper had a front page picture of a trooper with a bayonet angled upward and outwards and he was facing some bigot holding his bleeding face after being hit with the butt of the soldier's gun. I'll bet he had some stitches later! Those trooper looked quite intimidating in pictures.
[link:https://apnews.com/article/360439e805eb4db180fbfd52a7a0f5bb|]
Paul Downs, Springfield, Ark., got a bayonet cut in the arm apparently when he was too slow in obeying an order.
This was not the picture I was referring to but check out the kid turning his face and looking at the bayonet.
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I'll never forget that picture. We could never understand the hate.
In Selma, if I remember correctly, after the first march across he Edmund Pettus bridge was met by police with dogs along with hatemongers, Kennedy federalized the Alabama National Guard to escort the second march. Wallace was allowed to spew his hate but then he and his minions backed off.
paleotn
(18,047 posts)integrating Little Rock schools. That's not the same as using active duty troops on US soil. That would be illegal under federal law, i.e., the Posse Comitatus Act of 1878. Like Rome, we don't do that. Or at least we don't. Sulla and then Caesar broke the Roman rule.
JanMichael
(24,914 posts)Unless Arkansas is in Canada I think it is US soil.
paleotn
(18,047 posts)Not that I don't appreciate what they did, but that seems a violation of federal law. Some loophole perhaps? But then again, who was going to argue with Ike in 1957. Imagine the screaming on the right if Biden did that.
jaxexpat
(6,939 posts)That may be the solution. Just guessing.
Wonder Why
(3,438 posts)Shipwack
(2,195 posts)The National Guard was called up not to preserve the peace and enforce integration, but to prevent the governor from using them to enforce the state's racist policies?
TomSlick
(11,188 posts)was a reaction to Reconstruction after the Southern whites regained seats in Congress.
In 1957, Eisenhower acted under the authority of the Enforcement Acts of 1870 and 1871, criminal statutes designed to protect African Americans right to vote, to hold office, to serve on juries, and receive equal protection of laws. Because the Enforcement Acts are criminal in nature, and because they predate the Posse Commitatus Act, it is unclear they provided a legal basis for the use of federal troops in the Little Rock desegregation crises of 1957. It seems clear to me that Arkansas Governor Faubus was engaged in an act of sedition in using the Arkansas National Guard to thwart the orders of the federal courts and would have justified President Eisenhower invoking the Sedition Act.
My conclusion is that President Eisenhower did the right thing but with the wrong legal justification.
I remember raising this issue in a discussion at the Army JAG School during a presentation about the Posse Commitatus Act. The instructor was not prepared to discuss whether President Eisenhower had violated the Act in 1957, and brushed-off my question. By that point, I was sufficiently labeled as a trouble maker and easily dismissed.
Chi67
(1,095 posts)How is this even possible? How can people be so horrible?
Lonestarblue
(10,279 posts)White people like this believe that only other white people have the right to win elections or to make the rules for how black people and other minorities are to behave as subservient to white people. Its why so many Republicans hated Obamahe was obviously smarter then many white people, he occupied the Oval Office in a position they believed was reserved for white men, he was handsome, and he has a beautiful wife and daughters to boot.
70sEraVet
(3,589 posts)Still struggling over segregation.
(sorry, I see you suggested the US. Mashalls)
OMGWTF
(4,020 posts)Fking EVOLVE already!
Ohioboy
(3,260 posts)For 3 years the white minority has kept this man from doing his job as mayor?
Is that right?
I'm going to go look this up in other places. If this is true, things are even crazier than I thought.
erronis
(15,581 posts)since all those fine white people have learned their lessons.
How low can the Roberts court go?
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)There isn't.
SalamanderSleeps
(605 posts)I doubt she'll do anything unless the DOJ gets involved.
Racists by definition have little to no shame.
calimary
(81,695 posts)orleans
(34,139 posts)AndyS
(14,559 posts)in 2021, down from 133 in 2020.
Hey assholes, try that in a Big Town.
WhiteTara
(29,745 posts)He was mayor or Chicago and it was just as bad. I don't remember the year...in the late 80s I think.
Mariana
(14,864 posts)Most if not all of the people responsible for what happened then are dead. This shit in Alabama is happening today.
KS Toronado
(17,608 posts)With a 15% vs 85% black/white difference, means 20 white people control 111 black people's lives.
Appears slavery is alive and well in Alabama.
spanone
(136,034 posts)SouthernDem4ever
(6,618 posts)This needs to be smeared all over the media so everyone knows what a bunch of backward racist bumpkins really look like.
Initech
(100,202 posts)BWdem4life
(1,740 posts)Try that in a small town.
Beartracks
(12,861 posts)Major Nikon
(36,831 posts)Major Nikon
(36,831 posts)Cleavon Littles reaction was genuine.
ExWhoDoesntCare
(4,741 posts)Take after take--he couldn't not laugh at that point, and we wouldn't have resisted, either. No matter how many times we see it, we the audience laugh every time along with Cleavon Little.
Gene Wilder was that masterful at comedic phrasing and timing.
LiberalLovinLug
(14,190 posts)Beartracks
(12,861 posts)=======
uponit7771
(90,382 posts)Joinfortmill
(14,598 posts)paleotn
(18,047 posts)Emile
(23,457 posts)LittleGirl
(8,292 posts)But Im going to steal it! Excellent.
Ala-damn-a
Perfect!
NowISeetheLight
(3,943 posts)Sounds like the Kim regime in North Korea or something. "Hand picked succesor"? WTH?
Newbern had not held an election "for decades." Instead, "the office of mayor was 'inherited' by a hand-picked successor," and that mayor then chose town council members, again without an election. All prior mayors have been White residents, the lawsuit said, even though about 85% of Newbern's population is Black. Only one Black person has ever served on the town council.
live love laugh
(13,270 posts)because it was so racist.
He never did.
Magoo48
(4,741 posts)TreasonousBastard
(43,049 posts)OldBaldy1701E
(5,253 posts)Seriously, they had no right to 'leave' in the first place, so it is not a question of wanting it back, it is more a question of letting it fester without some 'tough love' during the years following their bullshit. But, Lincoln wanted to be nice, so...
BigOleDummy
(2,274 posts)Alabama. I mean.... really?
We have to remember that THIS story isn't the WHOLE story. Didn't that ...... state ...... just defy the Supreme Court in the re-districting case? "Alabama lawmakers refuse to create a 2nd majority-Black congressional district" is/was the headline at NPR.
Warpy
(111,559 posts)and should have exercised that before now.
As for people who were elected to their jobs (like the clerk of court, maybe), the locks on their offices should have been changed, new keys available at the Mayor's office, just come on by and pick them up from the Mayor, security issue dontcha know.
There are ways to deal with an entrenched good ole boy minority.
PatrickforB
(14,618 posts)I guess they don't realize their side LOST the civil war.
liberal N proud
(60,362 posts)And if its a black or brown you lost to, you just act like they were never there.
The orange idiot created a society of poor losers.