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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThe Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has announced that all vessels entering or leaving Russian prts
will be presumed to be carrying military cargo and be subject to attack.
Link to tweet
Ukraine has the means to sink Russian freighters. Insurance rates just got raised. (The grain deal will be resumed soon but I'm hoping a few freighters carrying Iranian drones and Russian oil get sent to the bottom first).
roamer65
(36,748 posts)COL Mustard
(5,979 posts)Then, hit it again. Hit it like a rented mule, as Grandpappy used to say.
Shanti Shanti Shanti
(12,047 posts)Long range high altitude bombers with cruise missiles now, they can't be stopped
KS Toronado
(17,481 posts)have like PT boats or some submarines that could be lend lease?
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)relayerbob
(6,561 posts)But I like the sentiment
maxsolomon
(33,473 posts)Whether they have the capacity to cripple Russian shipping remains to be seen.
This War is a long way from done.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)maxsolomon
(33,473 posts)It's more of a press release than a change in tactics.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)maxsolomon
(33,473 posts)Ukraine is not part of Russia. It WAS part of the USSR as a distinct Soviet Socialist Republic. It WAS a part of Imperial Russia.
Are Russia's actions in Georgia a Civil War? In Moldova?
Russia is playing itself, then.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)The very same regions and provinces and enemies that were in a civil war before the illegal Russian invasion
and now open assistance to the RC Slavs by one side and the RO Slavs the other, mercenaries included to spare Russian soldiers,
neo Nazis fighting on all sides including American mercenaries
its a continuing civil war put on a global hot plate.
The Russian army needs mercenaries?? No.
Hekate
(91,055 posts)
DNA they share.
I really cannot tell what you are trying to say, if anything.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Started as civil war, waged for years
lines frozen nursing negotiations
failed negotiations
now its a hot civil war
maybe world civil war?
Putin is as evil as tRump, why deploy massive expensive unreliable mercenary army payable in dollars and gold to anything but anothers civil war
.when you have the Russian army! The entire military force of a superpower is NOT as incompetent as projected. And by army I include Air Force, Navy etc
where are they? Desperate for drones from Iran? Please.
I am raising these question, logically those are good questions.
maxsolomon
(33,473 posts)as the absurdities in Transnistria, Abkhazia and South Ossetia. Without unbadged Russian soldiers it wouldn't have taken place.
Putin is reconstituting the Russian Empire. He is not defending Russia against the threats of the Azov Brigade or the 2 Ukrainian Revolutions. Those are pretenses.
So maybe you mean Internecine, since they're all Slavs, "neo-Nazi" or not.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)by any side that cares to do so. Its a fact
and so Putin has exploited the minor thing, its what evil does.
Putin, leader of the Russian Army, literally has the worlds largest Nazi mercenary army on contract for last year
literal Nazi Army so its clear who the devil is.
EndlessWire
(6,580 posts)of this war of aggression against Ukraine by declaring it a civil war based on basically the history of this country. Make no mistake, this "Special Military Operation" is a special war that Putin thought he could do to force Ukraine into becoming a puppet nation like Belarus.
Fortunately, Ukraine has a few friends, and they are receiving support to drive Russia out. Ukraine has shown a fierce determination to regain its territory. They do not intend to surrender one inch of territory to Putin. Putin is not going to rule the Black Sea, nor rule over grain shipments.
I am wondering if those that live in the Donbas and associated areas still think that they want to be part of Russia. Is it worth it to them to be part of this horrendous conflict?
This is not a civil war. Civil wars are between factions fighting amongst themselves. Regular wars are fighting between two nations over territory. These are very simple concepts.
Russia doesn't have enough soldiers to forgo hiring mercenaries, which it has tried to hire since the beginning. I don't think you have seen Russian babushkas out there fighting for Russia, like Ukraine has seen. Russian farmers aren't out there hauling off Ukrainian tanks. No, Russia is comfortably at home watching the bombing of their neighbor on TV. They vacation in Crimea, which they think now belongs to them. The only time they reacted was when Putin mobilized all those civilians in an effort to provide cannon fodder at the zero line. Then they fled, or were dragged off in forced conscription. Even the jails were utilized to provide manpower.
Russia is doing what it did in Moldova and Georgia, nibbling away at other countries territories. That's what Putin does. Only this time, after it took Crimea with nary a world reaction, it thought it could sweep in and take Ukraine. But, the entire country said no.
It is not a civil war. It's Russia against another country. Putin bit off more than it can chew. That's how you can characterize this war. And, it's a war that Putin can own.
Hekate
(91,055 posts)sarisataka
(18,942 posts)Of 'unrestricted submarine warfare.
I understand it but will not cheer for such expansion affecting neutral nations.
cstanleytech
(26,365 posts)we have in the in say Italy or Spain?
mitch96
(13,948 posts)OIL.
Who is gonna get hurt more?
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Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Oil and steel lost is meaningless compared to lives most would agree??!
Tomconroy
(7,611 posts)WarGamer
(12,515 posts)Emile
(23,229 posts)Torchlight
(3,463 posts)that would prevent loss of life, and end the war, and compel Putin to withdraw his armed forced from soil foreign. All primary, efficient, and just goals "most would agree??!"
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)and Crimea
international and UN supervision
Force Peace.
Some of the weapons flooding in could go to the UN.
Torchlight
(3,463 posts)It does not follow he would allow it now. Only UN response to Crimean invasion was passing a non-binding resolution which did not compel Putin to withdraw.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Torchlight
(3,463 posts)TheBlackAdder
(28,262 posts)sarisataka
(18,942 posts)This is not a warning to Russian navy vessels. They already know they are targets. Ukraine is alerting civilian ships they travel to Russian ports at their own peril.
TheBlackAdder
(28,262 posts)Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)No other option! Set them ablaze in the Sea, preferably near Russian tourists on the beach!! Can get them to clean up the massive pollution!
No other option!
sarisataka
(18,942 posts)Putin forcing civilian shields onto ships. Of course it could be done at gun point however Russia may find soon no ships willing to transport their goods.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Also, ..The Russian Navy boasts 605 vessels, including 70 submarines, that can be deployed in the Black Sea, off the Ukrainian coast. While the Ukrainian fleet has just 38 ships, and no submarines.
sarisataka
(18,942 posts)Outside of territorial waters, yes freedom of navigation should apply.
For the most part Russia and Ukraine until Russia backed out of the grain agreement. As a response to the Russian action I can understand why Ukraine has made this announcement.
However do not condone threats to neutral shipping in the Black Sea, Straights of Hormuz, South China Sea or anywhere else.
ETA> the full strength of the Russian navy is a non factor. Only the Black Sea fleet can engage.
Russia would not pull its entire navy leaving them vulnerable everywhere else. Also Turkey is not permitting warships passage through the Bosphorus, as is their right by international treaty, so Russia cannot strengthen the Black Sea fleet even if they wanted.
Alexander Of Assyria
(7,839 posts)Russia has almost 900,000 active military personnel to draw on in its war of aggression, versus Ukraine's standing military of around 200,000.
Ukraine has vastly fewer attacking aircraft 146 versus Russia's 1,328 and helicopters; just 42 versus 478.
The Russian tanks rumbling towards the capital, Kyiv, are part of an overall armoured corps of 31,000 vehicles, compared to Ukraine's 5,000.
The Russian Navy boasts 605 vessels, including 70 submarines, that can be deployed in the Black Sea, off the Ukrainian coast. While the Ukrainian fleet has just 38 ships, and no submarines.