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PCIntern

(25,630 posts)
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 07:49 AM Jul 2023

Upon reflection, it "had" to happen here...

Beginning in the 1950s, the Republican powers that were at that time recognized the talents of one Ronald Reagan, who, as president of the Screen Actors Guild, had been feeding information about “subversives“ to the FBI and other organizations. Somebody realized that you could take the charisma of a B actor, write some speeches for him and sent him out on the road proselytizing republicanism. And that was his role in the Party for years.

And it worked… There was a nearly perfect storm in 1980 and along with some impetus provided by behind the scenes manipulation, read: treason, Reagan ascended to the Presidency. And they knew they had struck a gold mine, rich with ore. Coupled with Nixon’s southern strategy and racial animosity as well as “class issues” the Right basically took over the conversation in America. We stopped discussing freedoms and rights for heretofore oppressed groups, and began to focus on the “diminishing importance and value” (sic) of the white majority.

Although we have certainly had Democratic presidents elected to two terms, neither of them could be classified as true left-wing Democrats. I recall distinctly when people were railing against Obama as a socialist prior to his first election, I told them that he was a middle of the road to slightly right of Center Democrat who happened to be a different race that had ever been nominated or elected to that high office prior to that time. Ditto with Clinton who was governor of a southern state. There are, and were not too many Mario Cuomo types running anything south of the Mason Dixon line.

I have no idea whether the money people initially wanted Trump as President, but they have certainly jumped on board the steam train to lower taxes. Because, in fact, that is all that this is about, this has nothing to do with race, religion, Social justice, truth, or immigrants. This has to do with saving money, putting it in the pockets of the already-rich. The mechanism by which they achieved this varied in intensity, but they found their perfect individual in this sociopath from New York City, who until relatively recently, was a proclaimed Democrat and donated and supported same.

Having never followed a cult, I must say that I have never listened upfront and personally to these people who claim to be the second coming of Jesus, but I think one of the fascinating aspects to the acolytes of these individuals is the dichotomy that each presents to the public. Anyway you slice it, Trump represents the obverse and reverse of the same coin: he, to be polite, has had a very prolific and varied sexual history and yet claims “moral righteousness”; he has bankrupted many businesses, including almost unbelievably, casinos, and yet claims to be a master businessman; he has had three wives, two of whom he discarded and yet they champion his moral “values” and his love of his family; and interestingly, but not as importantly, he claims to be a seductive man of the world, but he essentially has an apparent quid pro quo payment for sexual “ favors”. (My guess is that Brad Pitt did not have that problem.)

I firmly believe that to some fair extent, many people are intrigued by the paradoxical nature of this individual and identify with his weaknesses and sins, all the while spewing moralistic braggadocio - he is the public embodiment of their own souls. Dante wrote something concerning what eventually happens to these individuals- but then again, they have little to no concept of classical literature so they have no idea of that which awaits them if they truly subscribed to their belief system. Also, they never read James Joyce’s Sermon on hell from Portrait of the Artist as a Young Man. This would perhaps give them pause. Or not….

Some say that one has to bottom out prior to cultural resurrection. We are almost there - that is, the bottoming out part. We shall see about the rest of the Journey.

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Mysterian

(4,599 posts)
1. If the constitution survives whatever bottom our society reaches
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 08:07 AM
Jul 2023

we must fix fundamental flaws such as the electoral college and the undemocratic apportionment of senators. These two flaws have put us on a race to the bottom.

paleotn

(18,003 posts)
2. At the very, very least, expand the House well beyond 435
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 08:28 AM
Jul 2023

On average, each House member represents 762,000 people. My entire state doesn't have nearly that many people, so some Reps have far bigger districts, primarily in Blue areas. That is NOT what the founders intended for the House of Representatives. A far bigger House is manageable. Great Britain has over 600 MPs. There's over 700 in Germany. And while we're at it, make DC a state. There's nearly 700K people there with ZERO representation in Congress. That's a travesty.

That can be done without Constitutional amendment and alleviates at least some of the issues with the Electoral College.

Cosmocat

(14,583 posts)
3. Reagen 1961
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 08:57 AM
Jul 2023
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ronald_Reagan_Speaks_Out_Against_Socialized_Medicine

THAT us how far back goes.

Him droning on in his deep, ah shucks, folksy voice about the dastardly attack of health care coverage.

I never have, and never will, understand how so many otherwise decent people not only fall for, but eat this bullshit up.

LymphocyteLover

(5,662 posts)
5. I don't think Trump claims that he is morally righteous himself. He is very coy about that sort of
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 09:07 AM
Jul 2023

thing. But he is truly a bizarre mercurial figure, a massive mixture of contradictions.

jaxexpat

(6,870 posts)
11. Re: Trump "is.....a massive mixture of contradictions..." Much in the likeness of stacked manure.
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 10:37 AM
Jul 2023

If he had character, he could be in a cartoon.

bucolic_frolic

(43,464 posts)
6. Our 2 term Democratic Presidents needed to tack left proudly and build brand
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 09:08 AM
Jul 2023

But Clinton and Obama, deft campaigners, were too mainstream economically and too constrained by Republican anger to do that. After the campaign rah-rah ended, they couldn't deal with GOP Senate leadership. Did no one in the DNC see the Court imbalances developing?

Even Al Gore followed this pattern. Lieberman was a mainstream grab. I think he would have won with the liberal Senator from Florida at that time ... Bill Nelson

2naSalit

(86,900 posts)
7. It's always about...
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 09:24 AM
Jul 2023

Who holds the power. Since wealth/material control is what makes the world go 'round that is what they will hoard.

The powerful/wealthy want to have everything done for them by others whom they control. Whatever it takes to orchestrate and maintain such conditions is acceptable, whatever it takes in their minds.

When established rules are employed to contain them, these individuals will use any and all means to destroy the rules while the smart ones are weaponizing them, to keep them in charge of everything.

Which brings us around to belief systems, including... no, especially organized religion. With all the gnashing of teeth about too many Senators and all that hogwash, one important topic regarding reform in governing for the US is barely noticed, beliefs and how they apply to law and order. Rather than write a treatise about the differences between belief and understanding, I invite everyone to consider that as we are expected to understand our laws, we have to believe them to have order. When laws are violated we are held accountable by a jury of our peers who are directed to believe what is allowed to be presented and choose a resolve based on belief.

The problem with the belief part is that religious belief is too often brought into the mix and too often used as some additional component in rationalizing that which is set apart by nature of the statements made in our preliminary law. So, if church and state are to be kept separate, why are they still so intertwined and foisted upon those of us who are not involved with the religion merged with state part? Before changing the Constitution regarding the Senate, which is the most solid part of Congress, maybe address the part of the Constitution that is of greatest import and has nearly been erased. I'm all for expanding the House and adding a state or three but I'm not for rewriting how these bodies function and the way they are composed.



58Sunliner

(4,426 posts)
12. It's about power. Honestly we need to stop trying to equivocate sociopaths with reasoned thinking.
Sun Jul 9, 2023, 11:07 AM
Jul 2023

Or motives. The destructiveness of these people has little to do with money. "this has nothing to do with race, religion, Social justice, truth, or immigrants" Tell that to the immigrants, the Jewish people who are being targeted, people of color and women who are being stripped of their rights. Many of the money people have ideological motivations. The phenomenon of christians screaming about groomers, while hiding them in their ranks and the roll back of laws protecting children says it all. The groomer, trafficking, child-raping cabal is front and center in their party. Just look at how many are charged and how many are in the inner circles.

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