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Please remember that Jared Kushner went to Harvard, and George W. Bush went to Yale. (Original Post) Yavin4 Jun 2023 OP
Uncle Thomas is on the Supreme Court because and only because of affirmative action. n/t brewens Jun 2023 #1
soooooo...anyone can get into these schools if you flash some green samnsara Jun 2023 #2
Legacy inthewind21 Jun 2023 #4
Personally, I think Harvard and Yale should ask for them to return their degrees because they CTyankee Jun 2023 #3
And Obama went to Columbia and Harvard AkFemDem Jun 2023 #5
My point is that these "elite" schools are not purely meritocratic Yavin4 Jun 2023 #10
Trumpo went to Penn Johnny2X2X Jun 2023 #6
Not to mention the fact in 1966 AkFemDem Jun 2023 #8
Get rid of legacy admissions. Ocelot II Jun 2023 #7
Remember: the only way for GWB ti get into Yale was as a 'legacy' student. He did not earn it ... marble falls Jun 2023 #9
And W was as dumb as a box of rocks. milestogo Jun 2023 #11
Yeah, and Rafaleito Cruz went to Princeton too Jilly_in_VA Jun 2023 #12
TFG Went To Penn ProfessorGAC Jun 2023 #13
To be fair to DeSantis dsc Jun 2023 #14

samnsara

(17,702 posts)
2. soooooo...anyone can get into these schools if you flash some green
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 11:35 AM
Jun 2023

i will stick with my state college

CTyankee

(63,957 posts)
3. Personally, I think Harvard and Yale should ask for them to return their degrees because they
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 11:36 AM
Jun 2023

dishonored those institutions.

Both Hillary and Bill Clinton are Yale Law Graduates.

AkFemDem

(1,837 posts)
5. And Obama went to Columbia and Harvard
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 11:44 AM
Jun 2023

Michelle Obama- Princeton and Harvard
Clinton (Bill) Georgetown and Yale
Clinton (Hillary) Wellesley and Yale
Pete Buttigeg - Harvard
Antony Blinken- Harvard and Columbia
Jeff Zients- Duke
Karine Jean-Pierre- NYIT and Columbia
Chuck Schumer- Harvard
Hakeem Jeffries- NYU law

I’m not sure I get your point- of course some people who have attended elite universities end up in power positions (at a disproportionate level compared to the general populace)


Yavin4

(35,490 posts)
10. My point is that these "elite" schools are not purely meritocratic
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 12:25 PM
Jun 2023

That's not to say that deserving people don't get in.

I assumed that my point was rather obvious.

Johnny2X2X

(19,480 posts)
6. Trumpo went to Penn
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 11:49 AM
Jun 2023

Wharton School of Business at Penn, also Ivy League. And he didn't get in until his father made a large donation.

AkFemDem

(1,837 posts)
8. Not to mention the fact in 1966
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 11:57 AM
Jun 2023

Acceptance rates were close to 50% and he was a transfer student, not a first year applicant. It’s not like he was selected to perform at Carnegie Hall.

Ocelot II

(116,376 posts)
7. Get rid of legacy admissions.
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 11:56 AM
Jun 2023

Of course, that might mean less money for buildings with the donor's name on them. But if the mediocre children of the wealthy had to meet the same standards as everybody else, there would be more room in all colleges for people likely to do something useful with their lives. And maybe it's time we stopped worshipping the Ivy League. There are first-rate schools all over the country that offer educations of the same quality, but Harvard and Yale have brand recognition. It's like having a Rolex watch when a Timex is just as accurate, but you can't impress anybody by flashing a Timex.

marble falls

(58,354 posts)
9. Remember: the only way for GWB ti get into Yale was as a 'legacy' student. He did not earn it ...
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 12:07 PM
Jun 2023
https://www.huffpost.com › entry › how-george-w-bush-benefit_b_5814680
How George W. Bush Benefited From Affirmative Action
It is called "legacy" admissions. Former President George W. Bush was an affirmative-action beneficiary, at Yale University and then at Harvard Business School. But that didn't stop him from opposing affirmative action based, in part, on race.

He was truly a beneficiary of an affirmative action.


https://talk.collegeconfidential.com › t › how-did-george-bush-get-into-yale › 793069
How did George Bush Get into Yale - Yale University - College ...
It wasn't his SAT scores: 566 verbal and 640 math.. They may not have had an explicit point system at Yale in 1964, but Bush clearly got in because of affirmative action. Affirmative action for the son and grandson of alumni. Affirmative action for a member of a politically influential family.


https://yaledailynews.com › blog › 2021 › 11 › 04 › yale-college-council-calls-for-end-to-legacy-preference-in-admissions-while-quinlan-defends-practice
Yale College Council calls for end to legacy preference in admissions ...
Nov 4, 2021A resolution passed Oct. 17 by the Yale College Council Senate condemned the "use of legacy preference" in Yale's undergraduate admissions process, calling on the College to stop considering legacy status in its admissions deliberations.

Jilly_in_VA

(10,098 posts)
12. Yeah, and Rafaleito Cruz went to Princeton too
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 12:31 PM
Jun 2023

Having an Ivy league degree does not mean you are educated. It means you have a degree from one of those schools. Period.

dsc

(52,192 posts)
14. To be fair to DeSantis
Thu Jun 29, 2023, 12:41 PM
Jun 2023

he wasn't a rich legacy, his baseball talent was likely what helped get him in.

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