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Tommy Carcetti

(43,438 posts)
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 10:28 AM Jun 2023

When Joe Biden ran for President in 2020, the cynical response was...

...that he had spent 44 years in Washington--38 in the Senate--and supposedly nothing to show for it.

Of course, that's patently untrue. He sponsored many successful bills, sat on important committees, and served as Vice President for 8 years. That's hardly "nothing."

But even that aside, I think the most recent episode regarding the debt limit blows that cynical talking point out the water. That 44 years of experience was hardly nothing. In fact, in the end, it meant everything.


The man simply knows how to get things done in DC. Period.

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When Joe Biden ran for President in 2020, the cynical response was... (Original Post) Tommy Carcetti Jun 2023 OP
I have some petty grievances from his early days in the Senate EYESORE 9001 Jun 2023 #1
Well that's why you have a learning curve. Tommy Carcetti Jun 2023 #2
Yep. I forgave him long ago. EYESORE 9001 Jun 2023 #4
Let's not forget his role in getting Obamacare passed. Sanity Claws Jun 2023 #3
That moment still brings a smile to my face EYESORE 9001 Jun 2023 #5
Yes in the end...this year, it meant everything. Demsrule86 Jun 2023 #6
Not to mention rallying NATO and saving Ukraine from being overrun by Putin... brush Jun 2023 #14
That won't stop the haters. LakeArenal Jun 2023 #7
He knows how government works Bettie Jun 2023 #8
And he knows the tendencies of many of the players. Nt spooky3 Jun 2023 #17
THIS!!☝️ onetexan Jun 2023 #20
It's been said dlk Jun 2023 #9
Joe was/is the ideal "elder statesman," as I said at the time. CaptainTruth Jun 2023 #10
Agreed. He really is quite the experienced and effective leader. LymphocyteLover Jun 2023 #11
"sat on important committees" BumRushDaShow Jun 2023 #12
Biden is old-school and a good strategist. Experience is a good thing. pandr32 Jun 2023 #13
And don't forget he has a certain way with words. He coined the quip about Giuliani's stump speech.. brush Jun 2023 #15
I've recounted this before, but........ DFW Jun 2023 #16
:) Integrity, competence, commitment. Hortensis Jun 2023 #18
Joe Biden is exhibit number one Staph Jun 2023 #19
Yes, Pres Biden Does Know How.. Cha Jun 2023 #21
The most experienced POTUS in our history makes him the president for these perilous times! Rhiannon12866 Jun 2023 #22

EYESORE 9001

(27,237 posts)
1. I have some petty grievances from his early days in the Senate
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 10:35 AM
Jun 2023

But that’s all I’ve got to say about that.

Tommy Carcetti

(43,438 posts)
2. Well that's why you have a learning curve.
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 10:42 AM
Jun 2023

From experience comes wisdom.

Or at least in ideal circumstances it does.

There are a lot of exceptions to that rule--a lot--but Joe Biden isn't one of them.

EYESORE 9001

(27,237 posts)
4. Yep. I forgave him long ago.
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 10:46 AM
Jun 2023

I had him pegged for a decent guy even then. Not his fault Delaware is a financial Mecca.

Demsrule86

(70,659 posts)
6. Yes in the end...this year, it meant everything.
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 10:52 AM
Jun 2023

And for those who say Obama was not good in terms of policy achieved...hard to believe anyone would say such a thing, but I have heard it even here. Without Pres. Obama and President Biden, GM would be gone and we would have no health care...not to mention Biden has gotten some important legislation through. And right now we would either have given away the store or breached the debt ceiling...as always, Democratic presidents saved us from the truly evil intent of the Republicans.

brush

(56,339 posts)
14. Not to mention rallying NATO and saving Ukraine from being overrun by Putin...
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 12:49 PM
Jun 2023

and probably other countries in Europe too if Russia had been successful in taking over Ukraine.

Bettie

(16,756 posts)
8. He knows how government works
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 11:29 AM
Jun 2023

and understands the vast bureaucracy that is our government.

That makes him good at dealing with this stuff. He knows the ins and outs.

BumRushDaShow

(137,863 posts)
12. "sat on important committees"
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 12:22 PM
Jun 2023

He didn't just sit "on important committees", he served as CHAIR of both the Senate Judiciary Committee and Senate Foreign Relations Committees (during those various times when (D)s were the majority in the Senate).

pandr32

(11,962 posts)
13. Biden is old-school and a good strategist. Experience is a good thing.
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 12:35 PM
Jun 2023

Biden knows how to wrangle. Before the tea-party astro-turf wave there were many centrists in the republican and democratic parties in the Senate and the House. The first thing the TP did was to get rid of them if they couldn't push them to the far-right. We have kept on some of our right-tilted candidates in some states because those states count, too, but the heart of a Democrat is progressive and responsive to the needs of our nation.
Some Republicans still have hidden centrist leanings and knew we cannot default on our debt. Biden knew how to deal with them. Again--experience is a good thing.

brush

(56,339 posts)
15. And don't forget he has a certain way with words. He coined the quip about Giuliani's stump speech..
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 12:57 PM
Jun 2023

"A noun, a verb and 9/11."

Yep, that was Joe Biden

DFW

(55,941 posts)
16. I've recounted this before, but........
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 12:58 PM
Jun 2023

In December of 2019, a Republican strategist asked me (I still don't know why a well-connected Republican strategist considered me to be someone whose opinion mattered, but anyway.....) my prediction for the Democratic ticket for 2020. In December 2019, Joe Biden was polling around 3% among Democrats for the nomination.

I made sure she wanted my prediction, not my preference. She confirmed that. I predicted the ticket would be Joe Biden and Amy Klobuchar. Klobuchar didn't faze her, but she was shocked that I predicted Joe Biden. (fair enough--I was shocked that she wanted my view in the first place). She asked why, and I said that of those who had enough financial support to keep going, none of them had the clean slate of unencumbered desirability that Biden had. Plus, he knew the ropes of DC better than anyone else running (as proven out by what we just saw these past weeks). I said he'd be the last man standing when the dust cleared, and so he was.

Like that cartoon with the naked Rpublican at the poker game indicated, they can posture all they want about his age and state of mind, but he ran rings around them while seeming to flounder in uncertainty. In a town where posturing, especially in the Capitol and in front of the press, is half of what politicians do, Biden gave Democrats hope while giving Republicans the illusion that everything they were saying about him was correct. They had no proof of any of it beyond what they heard on Fox and National Hate Radio, but that's all Republicans listen to anyway. Why try to convince them they were wrong, when our cause was better served by them believing we had a weak hand when we had four aces? They'd never believe us anyway. Let them find out the hard way. We sure don't force them to watch Fox. If they hear what they want to hear, that's one thing. It's their own fault if they actually believe what they hear. Even 8 year olds don't really believe there was a pre-historic family named the Flintstones with a pet dinosaur.

Some Republicans are grumbling about having McCarthy as speaker. OK, they're right, but who among their ranks would they have do the job instead? The crazies would never get the votes rom the rest, and a moderate would never get enough votes from the crazies. So, they nominated and elected a wet washcloth. And now they're complaining when it drips?

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
18. :) Integrity, competence, commitment.
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 01:12 PM
Jun 2023

To have good government, elect good people.

That Joe Biden answered the call to lead in emergency is actually a rhyme of history:

Thwarting the rise of a demagogue was one of the primary motivations behind the Constitutional Convention of 1787.

... Washington described to Lafayette how he had recently been compelled out of retirement by an urgent risk to the United States. "Anarchy and confusion" were threatening the security of the American people and the rule of constitutional law. ... political chaos of those years created fertile ground for exploitation "by some aspiring demagogue who will not consult the interest of his country so much as his own ambitious views." ...

In the surviving records of the speeches ... the word "demagogue" was used 21 times by the framers ...

"Demagogues are the great pests of our government and have occasioned most of our distresses, ... "pretended patriots," unprincipled politicians who steer the people toward "baneful measures" through "false reports." ...

https://www.vanderbilt.edu/unity/2021/04/07/civics-101-keep-demagogues-out-of-democracy/

Of course, our founders' underlying and overriding concern was with the electorate. Thank goodness for their sakes that they couldn't possibly foresee the combination of modern populist movements and the internet -- and the crowds of aspiring charismatic "reform" leaders promising safe and glorious futures tailored to every anxious taste.

They would have approved our election of Joe, though.

Staph

(6,323 posts)
19. Joe Biden is exhibit number one
Fri Jun 2, 2023, 01:18 PM
Jun 2023

showing why I do not want term limits. It takes years to learn the ropes in Washington.

When I look at newer Democratic politicians, like AOC, Ilhan Omar, and Katie Porter, I can see how they have all learned to be more effective as they have spent more time in Congress.


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