Thu May 25, 2023, 07:30 PM

deminks (10,847 posts)

15 yr old who brought an AR 15 to high school last week had 'lightning link' device

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/arizona-high-schooler-ar-15-machine-gun-phoenix-rcna86283?cid=sm_npd_nn_tw_ma&taid=646fe4f427c5190001c93f75&utm_campaign=trueanthem&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter

The 15-year-old accused of bringing an AR-15 to his Phoenix high school last week also allegedly possessed a device that would allow the weapon to function as a fully automatic machine gun, according to court documents exclusively obtained by NBC News.

The boy allegedly brought the device — known as a "lightning link" — along with a disassembled AR-15 and ammunition to Bostrom High School on Friday, according to the probable cause statement. The AR-15 was disassembled into an upper and lower receiver, the two main parts of the gun, according to the probable cause statement.

“When combining the upper, lower receiver and lightning link together they create a prohibited weapon,” it says. An AR-15 is normally a semi-automatic weapon, but the addition of the lightning link would make it fully automatic, meaning it could fire continuously without the shooter having to repeatedly pull the trigger.

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Police allegedly found the lightning link in the boy’s backpack along with a lower receiver for the rifle with a fully loaded magazine, additional ammunition and firearm-related accessories, it states. The upper receiver was found concealed inside the boy’s sweatpants “with the barrel facing upwards towards the officers” and a live cartridge inside the chamber, according to the document.

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Ban assault weapons now.

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12 replies	Author	Time	Post
15 yr old who brought an AR 15 to high school last week had 'lightning link' device (Original post)	deminks	Thursday	OP
Never heard of a lightning link	TexasDem69	Thursday	#1
from the OP	deminks	Thursday	#2
I hope they also ask where he got the weapon and ammunition	MagickMuffin	Thursday	#6
Something different	DetroitLegalBeagle	Thursday	#3
A bump stock basically uses the gun's recoil to bounce the trigger against the shooter's finger.	FoxNewsSucks	Thursday	#4
A "bump-stock" basically lets you "spray" a lot of bullets in a hurry,	DemocraticPatriot	Thursday	#8
Of course this is what the founding fathers intended	BOSSHOG	Thursday	#5
A legal lightning link easily costs over $10K.	LudwigPastorius	Thursday	#7
Full-auto weapons are all over the place...	albacore	Thursday	#9
They are available	Zeitghost	Friday	#11
You think the weapons in that video are on commercial ranges...?	albacore	Friday	#12
there's more to this piece than what is in the op	orleans	Thursday	#10

Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 07:36 PM

TexasDem69 (125 posts)

1. Never heard of a lightning link

Is is similar to a bump stock or something different?

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Response to TexasDem69 (Reply #1)

Thu May 25, 2023, 07:38 PM

deminks (10,847 posts)

2. from the OP

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Court documents also did not provide additional context about where or how the juvenile obtained the lightning link, a small piece of metal resembling a bent key that can be slipped into the trigger mechanism of the firearm to allow for continual firing by holding the trigger down. Though they have been regulated since 1986, law enforcement officials said there are other ways to mimic the device to skirt regulations.

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Response to deminks (Reply #2)

Thu May 25, 2023, 09:42 PM

MagickMuffin (14,602 posts)

6. I hope they also ask where he got the weapon and ammunition

That’s also important

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Response to TexasDem69 (Reply #1)

Thu May 25, 2023, 07:45 PM

DetroitLegalBeagle (1,661 posts)

3. Something different

From my limited understanding, it's a piece of metal bent, cut, and shaped a specific way that allows it to interface with the trigger mechanism and bolt to allow for automatic fire. The problem with them is the designs for them are freely and widely available online and anyone with a piece of sheetmetal, file, and metal cutting tools can make one.

Bumpstocks are externally mounted and allow the person to pull the trigger much faster then they normally would. Which is the basis for the legal challenge against the ban. A machine gun is defined by law to be a gun that fires multiple shots with a single pull of the trigger. A gun with a bumpstock doesn't technically meet that definition because the trigger is still being pulled for each shot, just really fast.

A lightning link does make you pull the trigger multiple times. It let's the gun function just like a real automatic, with a single pull and multiple shots.

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Response to DetroitLegalBeagle (Reply #3)

Thu May 25, 2023, 08:50 PM

FoxNewsSucks (10,158 posts)

4. A bump stock basically uses the gun's recoil to bounce the trigger against the shooter's finger.

Technically, the trigger is being pulled with each shot.

The guy explaining this is somewhat of a gunhumper, other than those "second amendment" comments, his explanation is good and he relates it to the Vegas massacre carried out by the tRump supporter.

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Response to FoxNewsSucks (Reply #4)

Thu May 25, 2023, 10:14 PM

DemocraticPatriot (2,199 posts)

8. A "bump-stock" basically lets you "spray" a lot of bullets in a hurry,

but with very poor aim...

Of course if you are shooting into a crowd of closely-spaced people,
such as the Vegas shooter did, you can hardly miss....

(Guess we should have had something like that in the civil war, in Georgia, South Carolina--

and YES, General Sherman should have turned around, and given TEXAS something like he gave to South Carolina.....)

Texas got off too easy. Those fuckers obviously should have been "taught" a thing or two...

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 09:31 PM

BOSSHOG (33,847 posts)

5. Of course this is what the founding fathers intended

A fully automatic machine gun used in schools, Churchs, dance halls, wherever to slaughter unarmed victims being necessary for the security of a free state. Ask your patriotic constitutional scholar maga neighbor. They’ll explain it to you.

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 10:01 PM

LudwigPastorius (6,842 posts)

7. A legal lightning link easily costs over $10K.

Last edited Thu May 25, 2023, 10:37 PM - Edit history (1)

Somehow this kid either bought an unregistered one, or made it himself.

Big no nos, that lead to big boy prison.

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Thu May 25, 2023, 10:23 PM

albacore (2,110 posts)

9. Full-auto weapons are all over the place...

Here's some solid citizens.... ammosexuals, every one of them.

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Response to albacore (Reply #9)

Fri May 26, 2023, 12:40 AM

Zeitghost (2,736 posts)

11. They are available

But are extremely expensive to purchase legally (and even more expensive illegally). Most belong to collectors or commercial ranges that rent them out to the curious.

They are expensive novelties for the most part.

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Response to Zeitghost (Reply #11)

Fri May 26, 2023, 06:51 AM

albacore (2,110 posts)

12. You think the weapons in that video are on commercial ranges...?

...or expensive?
Those people have modified weapons that are commonly available.
A snail magazine costs about $500.
Anybody can buy a lightning link for about $40....cheaper if you buy in larger quantities for a militia. https://www.dhgate.com/product/tactical-1pcs-ar15-lightning-link-automatic/812713769.html?f=bm%7cGMC%7cpla%7c19853551326%7c%7c812713769%7c%7c140006005%7cUS%7ctacticalairsoft%7cc%7c2%7c&utm_source=pla&utm_medium=GMC&utm_campaign=tacticalairsoft&utm_term=812713769&gclid=CjwKCAjwscGjBhAXEiwAswQqNDXS7LVv7g07-4IQimLX4cG6jzbGV0jTKuf_sT2lXijpVd041E6hXBoCHikQAvD_BwE

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Response to deminks (Original post)

Thu May 25, 2023, 11:17 PM

orleans (32,533 posts)

10. there's more to this piece than what is in the op

that i thought was interesting including:

The boy’s mother, who asked not to be identified, told NBC News she and her husband “don’t know where he got the gun from.” She said her son has ADHD and described him as “a little guy, he’s easily influenced, he wants to fit in.” She said that she was not aware of the allegation that he possessed a device to make the weapon fully automatic.

The mother said that nobody in their immediate family owns guns and that her son has never expressed an interest in guns and does not have a criminal history, adding that she and her husband were “in shock” when they heard the allegations he was facing.

“It was your typical Friday morning, we were talking about vacationing for the summer,” she said.

“All of a sudden, later on in the afternoon, I get a call about him being taken by the police regarding a gun that he had on campus,” she said.

She added that her son does not have a lawyer and that he is allowed one phone call a day while in detention.

“We’re just going with the flow, so far so good,” she said.

The boy’s father could not immediately be reached Thursday afternoon.

i hope people read the whole piece

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