After a big Democratic win every Sunday show has a panel full of Republicans?

[TeamPooka]

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[jsr]

1. Isn't it what the librul media is supposed to do?

[Warpy]

2. No matter who is being supported by the people, the format

never seems to change: one or two tepid liberals being shouted down by a gaggle of wingnuts.

It's been about 30 years since I bothered watching any of it. I can tell by the list of guests that nothing has changed, nor is it likely to.

[coalition_unwilling]

41. I gave up on 'em in the run-up to Operation Shocking and Awful (late summer\fall 2002) when

they were all so busy fellating Bush and Cheney that they forgot to fact check the most outrageous and laughable bullshit and propaganda foisted upon them and thru them the American people.

OTOH, I once watched Medea Benjamin of Code Pink feed neocon Richard Perle a huge shit sandwich about the occupation of Iraq on the MacNeil Lehrer News Hour. That was priceless!

[freshwest]

71. I quit watching after I had to get news of huge anti-war protests during the Bush years on youtube.

We knew how big the rallies were, but CNN, etc. filled the air with bullshit to NOT report the news of the day that needed to be reported.

It was the only way to get live coverage as people uploaded the videos as fast as they could, all the time and it was the only news there was. It was before the livestreams that are out there now.

And in my town, we protested every single weekend and more in numerous public locations, and it was as if we were completely invisible.

The M$M owners are all MIC looters and won't allow the dialog to change. They only dangle a few liberals and progressives. who are overwhelmed by corporate bullies to make the psycholological appearance of liberals being weak. While they con people into watching the rest of their bullshit.

Fuck 'em all.

[geckosfeet]

3. Well yeah. Why should they change just because of reality?

[freshwest]

74. You're right, it's worked so well half the country is ready to kill the other half.

[geckosfeet]

95. All they care about is making sure that they have advertising and campaign ad revenues.

The division thing is just a means to their end.

But yeah - they tried to prop up the RW loonies all during the clown car repuglycan primaries, propped up R$ and misinformed the public during the campaign, and are continuing to trot out the RW liars.

And the teaparty asshats eat it up.

[freshwest]

98. Actually, I don't believe the ad revenues are the reason why. The prize for their owner is bigger.

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They intend to do no less than steal every asset in this country and own them for perpetuity, like the aristocrats once did, to pass to their own, only. The propaganda they paid for have caused people to question the rights of others for the basics of life, freedom to think and believe other than they want, and justify their theft.

The goal is to own public lands, transportation, bridges and roads, institutions (schools, hospitals, etc.) water, minerals and everything that others not endowed with hereditary wealth used to improve their lot.

The demonization of women's morals, minorities, immigrants, the poor and non-believers gives the gullible cause to stand aside while fellow citizens are pushed down. Those higher up intend to keep on pushing for the oligarchs, who have hidden behind political philosophies to take them in.

They will do so, because they have come to think that the people they are profiting by stealing all of these things, are parasites and worthless mouths, criminals, reprobates or whatever. It works.

I have been thinking about the Teahadists and Beckers who are taking his advice and being quiet while organizing. They have pushed to take their children into homeschooling to make sure they are not exposed to competing ideas and people they don't like.

He advises them, and he is not the first to do so, to arm themselves and buy farm land, get away from the evil urban areas where the Demon-rats as they call them rule. Who is to say their cult won't get large enough to come back to the cities to try to get more for themselves just as in the Dark Ages. They are lawless, don't respect American ideals. They will be defeated, just as they were in the Civil War.

Most have been taught this history, and some wonder why the rightwingers adore 'royalty' in religion and in the corporate world where the hierarchy rules. They want to recreate it again. They also revel in cruelty, dehumanizing others, practice what they consider a warrior mentality. Read the chilling Amazon review of popular book, The Handmaiden, which we find gross and offensive, I'll bet they all like it.

Those are just patterns that I see. The division is not to sell air time. It's a historical pattern. They will lose to an informed and healthy progressive movement, though, no matter what they do.

[geckosfeet]

103. Yes - for the "owners". The networks themselves are still busness units and part of the ownership

society that you seem to be describing. They still have a functional role to play in societies superstructure.

But I would the ownership society a step further, and say the end goal it is not simply ownership, but power and control. Ownership (like division and wealth ownership) is another mean to achieve the end.

[CakeGrrl]

4. The media is owned, literally, by the GOP.

Why would they want to showcase a resounding Dem victory?

[defacto7]

43. This is true!

We have to take it back.... somehow.

[japple]

59. It does take a bit of withdrawal, but it can be done. TURN IT OFF!!!

I have been without a tv for 6 month and haven't suffered a lack of information or news. Prior to having my satellite disconnected, I found that I wasn't watching it at all. Days would go by without my ever turning it on. It's probably not easy if you have kids, love sports, or watch a lot of movies, but with the internet, it's easier for me than ever to watch anything I want, whenever I want. I also have a great local NPR station, so that helps.

[geckosfeet]

96. Movies are almost all I watch. Netflix and dvd's and Hulu. No cable except for

my broadband connection of course.

I do not miss it at all. All the really neat stuff gets posted to the web anyway. Lot's more information on the web but you can almost completely filter what you see and what you watch.

[GitRDun]

5. I only watch Up!

Cannot take 5 minutes of the other stuff. I like MHP but she seems to have trouble keeping the conservatives on her show in check. On more than one occasion, I've seen one conservative steamroll several others. I'll give it another try, tho maybe she's better now...

[Sekhmets Daughter]

6. Those are the only 2 I watch

The others have become megaphones for republicans

[jonthebru]

7. We need more information.

Are the Democratic people excluded?
Are the Republicans always available so they are on?
It is hard to believe that no Democrats are available.
Are the producers right wing tools?
I personally do not watch those shows and frankly they may be self important and not really meaningful. But it does give the right a place to put forth sound bites for their cause which the networks use during the week.

[RKP5637]

11. I know the answer to number 4! "Are the producers right wing tools?" And the answer is

YES!!!

[Angry Dragon]

37. The republicans are busy sitting on their asses destroying the country

so they are always available
The dems are busy trying to fix the mess the republicans create

[defacto7]

45. Just watch the money....

[mehrrh]

90. rightwing guests

When this happened during the Bush years, the excuse was because the GOP was the party in power and there was a war, etc., then when Obama was elected, the excuse was that the minority party needed to have a "voice" -- so no matter what, the GOP rules on Sunday mornings. The producers, the management, the anchors and the owners are all conservative republicans.
They demand to know what their comrades think the Democrats will do. and they speculate endlessly -- why don't they just ask a Democrat? Why don't they invite as many Dems as repugs on the Sunday shows?
LIke many, I have given up on the Sunday shows as just to one-sided for me -- I will watch Chris Hayes and Melissa Harris-Perry for information, in-depth conversation and news.

[BeyondGeography]

8. The good news is they matter less and less

They did their level best to prop up Romney and it didn't amount to anything. I think the White House laughs at them.

[Taverner]

9. That's because the story has moved to "how did the GOP fuck up so bad?"

[TeamPooka]

13. when I heard David Gregory say "What will Obama have to bring to the table?" I gagged.

[theaocp]

23. Why would he say anything else?

Obama said he's willing to bring stuff to the table and the other side is holding their ground, waiting for the Dems to come to them. He's only "reporting" what the WH is willing to concede prior to negotiations. Par for the course.

[tblue37]

32. I already posted this comment, but in the wrong place:

Some guy--I don't remember who--said the Republicans' attitude is always, "OK, you won. Now here are our demands."

[theaocp]

36. Exactly. But the problem is

who actually listens to these clowns. For some fucking reason, the Democrats always seem to and the faithful lap it up like it's some kind of vitamin for strength of character. Aye.

[Beartracks]

44. Sad but true, and ROFL the way you phrased it! n/t

[defacto7]

47. One side shoots up their opiate,

the other is knowing the enemy.

[RepublicansRZombies]

48. exactly to both of you

we need to stop appeasing their demands

[Beartracks]

42. +1000 n/t

[Cha]

26. Obama will be bringing

President Obama to the table. Did they have a Dems on any of the Shows today?

[RKP5637]

10. It's all a bunch of crap corporate owned RW republican propaganda outlets for

brainwashing America. None of it is by chance. It's all part of the corporate republican master plan. The liberal media, yeah, right, they are such BULLSHIT slingers, bullies with a loud megaphone.

[Webster Green]

12. I stopped watching their crap years ago.

I used to actually enjoy the Sunday morning shows, when they had a little more balance.

Nothing but right-wing propaganda now.

[ProudProgressiveNow]

75. +1 nt

[Journeyman]

14. Gotta stop watching. Why should they change the menu if everyone is content to eat crap sandwiches?…

[madrchsod]

15. remember-obama won because....

the majority of the people who voted did`t give a fuck what these people said about obama.

[TeamPooka]

18. There is hope!

[Cha]

24. Excellent Reminder, madrcsod! I've been thinking the whole time post election..

that Obama/We beat the Koch, Etc's Money and all The Smears Money Could Buy AND The US CorporateMediaWhore$$$$$$$$$$$$

[SaveAmerica]

16. I was going to say the shows I watched were HAPPY DEM

leaning lovelies, full of excitement for what our future holds. Then I see that you listed them as your only hope - Chris Hayes and MHP!! Chris Hayes show was a great way to wake up today, they were talking about what we have to look forward to and it was great.

I haven't had MSNBC in a long time and I'm loving it!

I've been done with the others and only use them as entertainment!

[ProfessionalLeftist]

17. That's why I don't watch TeeVee. Don't even own one. n/t

[Cha]

20. I don't own a tv, either.. and when I talked to a friend in New York

yesterday..she said they disconnected their tv too.

[defacto7]

49. No TV here either. It's useless..

[Cha]

19. I wondered if this would happen and figured it would. Social Media Needs To

Let the Cons at Mediawhore Central Why they're Not Watching Their F****** Gas Bag Shows, Anymore.

I haven't watched since Nov 2002.

[proud2BlibKansan]

21. I stopped watching Sunday shows a long time ago.

Up is the only show worth watching on Sunday.

[Berlum]

22. Republicans, Inc. own the freaking lameass corporate media

and the Bent-Knee Blow-dry propaganda parrots who style themselves as "journalists" and "pundits."

But by now most Americans see what toxic horseshit is served up on these IRRELEVANT STINKPOT SHOWS.

[spanone]

25. same as 2008. media will act like nothing happened. none of these people will go away.

faux news will continue with their bullshit.

cnn will parrot faux news.

the media will treat the obfuscation of the right wing as a loyal opposition party.

the bullshit keeps on going. always will.

[Arugula Latte]

102. I can't help but think that these dinosaur shows will lumber off into the sunset before long.

Who watches these things anymore? 70-year-old angry white men?

[PatSeg]

27. I can't watch the Sunday shows anymore

Some "liberal media"! I do watch Chris Hayes every weekend and sometimes Melissa Harris-Perry. The rest of them put me to sleep or irritate the hell out of me. If Rachel is on Meet The Press, I'll watch it though.

[spooky3]

28. check out mediamatters.org

They have studied this over the years and have found that none of the "explanations" they have been given by the networks stand up to scrutiny. For example, when the Republicans held the Pres., the networks claimed that of course Rs would be overrepresented, because they were in important positions in the administration and had a lot to say, etc. But when the Dems. held the Pres., Rs were STILL overrepresented on these shows.

[defacto7]

51. ... because the Rs were the underdog

and needed to be heard.

B.S. media.

[tblue37]

29. I forget who it was who said it, but some guy said that the typical

Republican attitude is, "OK, you won. Now here are our demands."

[shcrane71]

31. +1

So true.

[shcrane71]

30. Is anyone watching those shows anymore?

Maybe their viewership is predominantly aging, white males? No worries.

[Horse with no Name]

35. Ding Ding Ding

We have a winner!

[defacto7]

52. and every hotel, and doctors office, and restaurant,

and sports bar, and waiting room.... who turns those on?

[spooky3]

33. Do you suppose this has anything to do with it? Sunday shows focus on deficit, not economy:

http://mediamatters.org/blog/2012/11/11/sunday-shows-ignore-the-most-important-economic/191335

[Beartracks]

46. That's a nice Rovian approach. When the Dems win big on Issue X...

... immediately start focusing the media on Issue Y (with particular emphasis on why the Dems don't "get it&quot .

===============

[WCLinolVir]

34. Don't blame lady parts for lame brained men!!!

Truly it comes across as sexist.

[Angry Dragon]

38. Welcome ......... I agree

[defacto7]

53. also agree....

but be careful here as a newbie. There are a lot of arguments about free speech which can haunt you.

Welcome to DU!

[SunSeeker]

54. Exactly. If the panel was actually "pussified," it wouldn't be so bad. nt

[Raine]

39. This is the one time I don't mind, too funny to watch them piss, moan, cry and spin

themselves like tops.

[Va Lefty]

40. Snowbilly grifter got one thing right in her miserable life

"Lame Stream Media"

[Roland99]

50. Is there a site that lists all Sunday news show participants each week?

[BlancheSplanchnik]

55. pussy? ultimate insult slap-down worst possible comparison you got is PUSSY/PUSSIFIED/PUSSIES?

Geeeeeeee.....if you chose some other demographic to use as the benchmark of worst ever awfulness, we would expect to see you and your post bid a fond farewell.

Sexism is just as bad as all the other "isms" that we good liberals are careful to be aware of.

[2naSalit]

56. Can't argue with that...

and I am proud to say that I don't have a TeeVee and haven't had one in my home since 1980! I do watch some of the news shows on MSNBC and Comedy Central (fake news but better than corporate blues) via the internet but that's it. The rest I get from alternative text news sources online, including this one, I like the discussion here, usually avoid it elsewhere.

Since all the corporate media has to offer is their take on reality, I don't care to stress myself out with their rubbish. I prefer the real reality that is going on in the world and since I would only have LDS owned TeeVee as it is, not worth a dime. Even the only NPR radio station I can get reception for here is owned by LDS. When they don't like the news that the national link is presenting, they just switch to some church related gruel, and if it's Sunday, you can only hear the national NPR news between 6 and 7am, then it's church for the rest of the day... which s why I'm here on this web site, heathen that I am. You think corporate TeeVee is bad... yikes. If it weren't for the Internet, I'd be living in a news void.

You should have heard them (announcers on the NPR radio station) after the election results, sounded like the end times were already here with the devil knocking on their door!

[allinthegame]

57. What

You find no entertainment value watching the Republicans kill core principles on national TV? Kristol is willing to stick to millionaire and Lindsay Graham can't help Latinos fast enough (along with a cadre of others). A couple of weeks from now we should have cap and trade along with new found love for green technology. I say let them yak all that up in public and watch the hammer come down when "real" Republucans realize what they believe in is for sale.

[femrap]

58. Listen

Stop insulting the WOMEN who put OBAMA back in the white house. Women are not pussies. And every time you use that word, you make yourself look uneducated and disrespectful to those who WON THIS ELECTION FOR OBAMA.

STOP using words that are demeaning to WOMEN.

Is that too much to ask? Would you refer to Michelle Obama and her daughters as pussies?

Think about it.

Stop talking like a freeper, please.

[bvf]

60. No, this is a good thing, for now.

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Hell, if the MSM wants to help them gear up for the '14 midterms by letting them shoot each other in the chest when they miss their own feet, I say go for it. They have no more friends to win.

On edit: Yes, please also quit using "pussy" as a pejorative term. It's insulting to those of us who like it/have one/live in the 21st century.

- bvf

[City Lights]

61. FU Corporate Media!

[yardwork]

62. Hey bud. I hate the weekend shows too. But please don't use my genitalia to insult them.

There's nothing wrong with my pussy. It's not wimpy. Please edit your post to use a gender-neutral insult against the weekend shows, and I'll happily rec your thread.

[WHEN CRABS ROAR]

63. Surprised by the corporate media?

[cbayer]

64. Requesting that you consider editing your OP.

Even though a jury was split, using "pussy", particularly as an insult, is offensive and sexist.

As one of the jurors that voted to hide this put it so eloquently, I will just repeat it here:

Why is "pussy" an insult? Apparently it's an insult because women have pussies. "Real men" have penises, which are manly and impressive. "Pussies" are wimpy and bad. I'm tired of seeing my female anatomy used as an insult. Women are not wimpy and bad, and neither are our genitals. Come up with another way to insult weekend shows (which richly deserve to be insulted). Just don't insult women while you're doing it. And no, saying that the weekend shows are "gay" is not acceptable either.

[cbayer]

67. You, sir, are not newsroom.

[seabeyond]

73. wow. you justification for your misogyny is a man in media exploiting misogyny.

[TeamPooka]

79. last word

[JTFrog]

101. Wrong.

Again.

[cbayer]

80. Well, since you don't mean to be and it is being pointed out repeatedly to you

why this is, I doubt your sincerity.

But, hey! Alienating large blocks of people generally works out well, so go for it.

[yardwork]

84. You don't have kids, do you?

"Why can't I say that? I heard an actor say it!" is not a valid excuse except in the minds of seven year olds.

[yardwork]

70. Guess what? The country is moving on. Obama was reelected with the vote of women, 55% to 45%.

It's time to stop using being female as an insult.

[Violet_Crumble]

72. Like cbayer said, yr NOT Newsroom, and you should consider editing yr OP n/t

[Cleita]

66. That's all I watched today, Melissa and Chris,

which I recorded and am watching now. I did not watch anything else because I knew it would be propaganda trash.

[seabeyond]

68. when i listen to a man use sexist slurs like this, to put down another man, i only see a very weak

man. you know, the very thing you are accusing the other of.

a man that is so insecure in his own masculinity and has to pump himself up, denigrating women, to insult a man.

[heaven05]

77. I

watched 'face the nation' just out of post election curiosity, for the first time since 2001 today, it will be anther 11 years probably when I'll watch it again. I did watch maddow, bashir, big ed, o'donnell this election cycle, but now I'm through again till 2014 or something 'important' happens. bye bye

[Sheldon Cooper]

81. I join an allegedly progressive board to read sexist shit like this OP?

Thank god I haven't spent any money here. Disgusting.

[Sheldon Cooper]

88. Sorry, it took me awhile to read through the entire thread

and I didn't realize you'd edited it. I suppose I should thank you for your outstanding display of the simple common decency that many of us just take for granted.

[TeamPooka]

89. Bazinga!

[spanone]

83. love the edit...bwahahahahaaaahahahaa

[kydo]

91. Never watch sunday talk shows

The only time I bother with news (term used very lightly) networks on sundays is if something big like a hurricane or invasion happens. Now when msnbc does not send us in prison mode I will watch that channel with the exception of meet the press. You meet no press just usually old white people. Somethings never change it pretty much is as boring as when it was on nbc as it is now. Besides there is so much college football recaps to wade through not to mention nfl previews I've got way more important things to do then watch old white guys argue.

[Spitfire of ATJ]

92. I just did a word search of this page and it matches what is missing on these talk shows.

The #1 issue for Americans.

Jobs.

[northoftheborder]

93. I have not watched Sunday news shows for YEARS.

Except for Up and MHP now. Usually recorded to watch later. I just can't turn on any TV in the morning. Not a good way to start your day.

[DevonRex]

94. WTF is wrong with you? You can't post w/o sexism?

I think you only posted so you could hurt women and then edit to use sexist language against men. Aren't you just something else.

[The Wizard]

97. They haven't seen the memo

No one cares what Republicans have to say unless it's under oath, and even then, no one believes them. The corporate propaganda loses effect with each passing day as more people turn to alternative sources for information.
Davis Gregory is openly hostile to Democrats. He's not even trying to conceal his prejudice.

[Roland99]

99. Am I missing something here????

Fox News Sunday: Chris Wallace speaks with Democrats Sen. Kent Conrad (D-ND), and Rep. Chris Van Hollen (D-MD)
Face the Nation: David Axelrod
This Week on ABC: HEADLINERS: Sen. Patty Murray, D – Washington; Chair, Democratic Senatorial Campaign Committee; Co-chair, 2011 “Super Committee” on Deficit Reduction

[TransitJohn]

100. If it's Sunday, it's conservative

http://mediamatters.org/research/2006/02/14/if-its-sunday-its-conservative-an-analysis-of-t/134868


Executive Summary

The Sunday-morning talk shows on ABC, CBS, and NBC are where the prevailing opinions are aired and tested, policymakers state their cases, and the left and right in American politics debate the pressing issues of the day on equal ground. Both sides have their say and face probing questions. Or so you would think.

In fact, as this study reveals, conservative voices significantly outnumber progressive voices on the Sunday talk shows. Media Matters for America conducted a content analysis of ABC's This Week, CBS' Face the Nation, and NBC's Meet the Press, classifying each one of the nearly 7,000 guest appearances during President Bill Clinton's second term, President George W. Bush's first term, and the year 2005 as either Democrat, Republican, conservative, progressive, or neutral. The conclusion is clear: Republicans and conservatives have been offered more opportunities to appear on the Sunday shows - in some cases, dramatically so.

Among the study's key findings:

The balance between Democrats/progressives and Republicans/conservatives was roughly equal during Clinton's second term, with a slight edge toward Republicans/conservatives: 52 percent of the ideologically identifiable guests were from the right, and 48 percent were from the left. But in Bush's first term, Republicans/ conservatives held a dramatic advantage, outnumbering Democrats/progressives by 58 percent to 42 percent. In 2005, the figures were an identical 58 percent to 42 percent.

Counting only elected officials and administration representatives, Democrats had a small advantage during Clinton's second term: 53 percent to 45 percent. In Bush's first term, however, the Republican advantage was 61 percent to 39 percent -- nearly three times as large.

In both the Clinton and Bush administrations, conservative journalists were far more likely to appear on the Sunday shows than were progressive journalists. In Clinton's second term, 61 percent of the ideologically identifiable journalists were conservative; in Bush's first term, that figure rose to 69 percent.

In 1997 and 1998, the shows conducted more solo interviews with Democrats/progressives than with Republicans/conservatives. But in every year since, there have been more solo interviews with Republicans/conservatives.

The most frequent Sunday show guest during this nine-year period is Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who has appeared 124 times. Sen. Joseph Biden (D-DE) has been the most frequent guest since 2003.

In every year examined by the study -- 1997 - 2005 -- more panels tilted right (a greater number of Republicans/conservatives than Democrats/progressives) than tilted left. In some years, there were two, three, or even four times as many right-titled panels as left-tilted panels.

Congressional opponents of the Iraq war were largely absent from the Sunday shows, particularly during the period just before the war began.

In short, the Sunday talk shows on ABC, CBS, and NBC are dominated by conservative voices, from newsmakers to commentators. The data from the Clinton years indicate that the disparity cannot be explained simply by the fact that Republicans currently control the government.