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turbinetree

(24,794 posts)
Sun May 14, 2023, 07:11 PM May 2023

Would you feel safe on a "commercial flight" with one pilot, the other pilot is AI in the cockpit

Automation, Autonomy At Center Of Flight Deck Research
April 18, 2023


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Yes
8 (24%)
No
26 (76%)
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Would you feel safe on a "commercial flight" with one pilot, the other pilot is AI in the cockpit (Original Post) turbinetree May 2023 OP
Hell no. pdxflyboy May 2023 #1
I'm sorry Dave, I"m afraid I can't do that.... msongs May 2023 #2
Computers already basically fly commercial planes, y'all do know that right? Hugh_Lebowski May 2023 #3
Exactly my thought relayerbob May 2023 #5
Exactly. (NM) mikewv May 2023 #7
Yep mahina May 2023 #9
Yup Effete Snob May 2023 #12
As my husband has always pointed out: Once you put a computer into something, it becomes ... Hekate May 2023 #15
The question was not about there not being a pilot, it was about there not being a co-pilot Hugh_Lebowski May 2023 #21
Since about 90% of airplane accidents are caused by Disaffected May 2023 #19
Exactly. But label it "AI" and people freak out. tinrobot May 2023 #26
You knew somebody would do this, didn't you? Buns_of_Fire May 2023 #4
Otto is looking a little deflated there. Bucky May 2023 #11
It was the first thing I thought of ;) (nt) Hugh_Lebowski May 2023 #22
Today it is two pilots and a many computers, AI is coming PuppyBismark May 2023 #6
Actually, that's not how commercial planes work... brooklynite May 2023 #8
Only if there's a manual override in case something goes wrong MustLoveBeagles May 2023 #10
Exactly Hekate May 2023 #16
What if the one pilot has a medical emergency? Than no pilot left. cbabe May 2023 #13
How would I know who/what is in the cockpit? Talitha May 2023 #14
Would enough people refuse to fly TheFarseer May 2023 #17
Haven't flown since 2001 and won't again Ritabert May 2023 #18
It must be sad to be that scared of technology... brooklynite May 2023 #24
It depends upon the AI Metaphorical May 2023 #20
Hell no, and this is just one of the reasons why. Angleae May 2023 #23
Oh boy ecstatic May 2023 #25
 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
3. Computers already basically fly commercial planes, y'all do know that right?
Sun May 14, 2023, 07:34 PM
May 2023

I'd trust it on a US flight cause I'd trust the FAA to properly regulate the situation if they allowed AI to be the co-pilot.

Many thousands of flights already happen with only 1 pilot and a bank of computers across the world every year, and probably millions have happened in history. It's just that it is smaller planes.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
12. Yup
Sun May 14, 2023, 08:08 PM
May 2023

…including landings.

Just another automated feature. The interesting part is certifying it, I guess, but you can put it through a lot of simulation without a simulator.

Hekate

(91,760 posts)
15. As my husband has always pointed out: Once you put a computer into something, it becomes ...
Sun May 14, 2023, 08:12 PM
May 2023

…. a computer. You are then operating a computer, which can cease to function at any moment.

His point was proven when we took a drive in our friend’s hybrid electric car. It began to lose power on the freeway, and our friend shrugged as he pulled over and said this had happened before. Essentially, it needed a reboot. We were fine — but JHC, that was not in the ads.

So yes, I know about airplanes and their computers, but I choose to ignore that feature as long as there is a human pilot up front. It’s been quite a few years since I’ve travelled, but supposing I choose to get back on a plane to travel the 3,000 miles to visit other family members, I’d like to not have to totally depend on the whims of electronics.


 

Hugh_Lebowski

(33,643 posts)
21. The question was not about there not being a pilot, it was about there not being a co-pilot
Sun May 14, 2023, 08:45 PM
May 2023

Also I said I'd trust it in the USA because I'd trust our regulators to make the right call regarding the safety of such a system ... here.

As the situation exists presently, a computer is already the pilot, the human pilot is the redundancy, and the co-pilot is a 2nd redundancy, and is mostly a formality/something 'traditional' that potentially isn't truly needed. Millions of flights have already been made with only 1 pilot in history, even before there were computers.

Disaffected

(4,656 posts)
19. Since about 90% of airplane accidents are caused by
Sun May 14, 2023, 08:33 PM
May 2023

human error or malfeasance, I'd say you would probably be safer in such flights.

tinrobot

(10,987 posts)
26. Exactly. But label it "AI" and people freak out.
Mon May 15, 2023, 12:22 AM
May 2023

We've had autopilot in various forms for decades. Nothing to worry about.

PuppyBismark

(595 posts)
6. Today it is two pilots and a many computers, AI is coming
Sun May 14, 2023, 07:45 PM
May 2023

The modern airliner is nothing more than lots of very complex computer/software systems. A minute or so after takeoff until a minute or so most planes are flown by the computers. Both Airbus and Boeing are researching single pilot airliners to reduce operating costs.

Today airliners are very capable of landing by them selves. In fact if the weather is very bad the pilots must use the auto land capability.

So it is just a matter of time.

brooklynite

(95,678 posts)
8. Actually, that's not how commercial planes work...
Sun May 14, 2023, 07:54 PM
May 2023

There aren't TWO pilots flying; ONE pilot does the flying, and the other monitors settings and communicates with ATC. However, they can switch off as needed. AI isn't terribly different than turning on the autopilot.

TheFarseer

(9,346 posts)
17. Would enough people refuse to fly
Sun May 14, 2023, 08:14 PM
May 2023

and keep refusing to fly to make a difference? If people would still fly, then United just doesn’t give a shit what you prefer.

brooklynite

(95,678 posts)
24. It must be sad to be that scared of technology...
Mon May 15, 2023, 12:13 AM
May 2023

Since 2001, I've flown to Great Britain multiple times, Paris multiple tines, Italy every year, Chicago every year, Seattle twice a year, Syria, Russia, Uzbekistan, Austria, Slovenia, Croatia, Germany, Morocco, Dubai, Oman, French Polynesia, Hawaii, Mexico.....

Metaphorical

(1,661 posts)
20. It depends upon the AI
Sun May 14, 2023, 08:45 PM
May 2023

Most larger aircraft are already autonomous - the pilots there exist primarily for redundancy if the primary and secondary systems fail. Now, such systems do fail, occasionally, so they are still needed, but most guidance systems today are generally capable of taking a plane from one city to another 99.999% of the time.

Angleae

(4,546 posts)
23. Hell no, and this is just one of the reasons why.
Sun May 14, 2023, 10:44 PM
May 2023
#t=39

At 0:30-0:40. If that landing plane was on autopilot, those two planes merge.

ecstatic

(32,933 posts)
25. Oh boy
Mon May 15, 2023, 12:19 AM
May 2023

As long as the co-pilot stays awake and keeps paying attention, I guess it's okay.

Computers are not perfect. Why do you think they update apps and software almost daily? It's due to bugs and security holes that need to be fixed.

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