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Wow Nicolle is going after Anderson Cooper and CNN (Original Post) Doc Sportello May 2023 OP
Some of the "lack of fact-checking" TheProle May 2023 #1
Good grief. Lack of fact-checking DURING THE EVENT Doc Sportello May 2023 #4
I watched it TheProle May 2023 #5
Not nearly enough Doc Sportello May 2023 #8
I'm saying you might as well curse the weather TheProle May 2023 #11
All true. My worry is how the magats will try to rig the election. The red state legislatures are housecat May 2023 #25
That is why you don't have serial liars on in that format. Caliman73 May 2023 #12
Agree, never on live, never with his cheerleading squad and never move on until fully Bev54 May 2023 #19
Someone (fact checker or her producer) Rebl2 May 2023 #20
Just to note that she corrected him many, MANY times over the 70 minutes Hortensis May 2023 #27
And he steamrolled the "moderator." Evolve Dammit May 2023 #29
Umhm. She fought right back. She couldn't control him, Hortensis May 2023 #33
The ground rules were fucked from the beginning. No booing, stacked with GOP. It was not a Evolve Dammit May 2023 #35
:) Yup, yup, yup, yup, yup, yup. Yup. Hortensis May 2023 #37
I grow weary of dragging stupid people. Evolve Dammit May 2023 #39
Yah, Anderson Cooper didn't get Don Lemon's commentary on silencing voices, lol Effete Snob May 2023 #2
This message was self-deleted by its author Doc Sportello May 2023 #3
I hope this segment gets uploaded on the roku nbc app. msfiddlestix May 2023 #6
She and John Heileman gave Kaitlin Collins a full pass. I DO NOT. hlthe2b May 2023 #7
I totally agree with you Doc Sportello May 2023 #9
Oh come on: TheProle May 2023 #14
Oh come on yourself, using Forbes as a source Doc Sportello May 2023 #38
Well at least she did not call him "sir" one time. gordianot May 2023 #10
She should Rebl2 May 2023 #21
I agree. BigmanPigman May 2023 #13
Agree 100%. BlackSkimmer May 2023 #15
I never watched her before this, just assumed she was brought Hortensis May 2023 #31
Excellent points Evolve Dammit May 2023 #30
CNN built * a silo. maxsolomon May 2023 #16
Media loves to bash competitors. Prefer bashing trump and his crowd. Silent Type May 2023 #17
I hope that snotty "silo" comment follows Cooper around... Paladin May 2023 #18
I was not aware of the context of the "silo" remark, so I had to look it up FirstLight May 2023 #28
GO NICOLLE & CREW!! AmBlue May 2023 #22
A true journalist. ALBliberal May 2023 #23
good! the CNN shitshow was clearly in-kind campaign contribution - pure fascist propaganda bringthePaine May 2023 #24
In this silo you got your rotted sludge, this one is fresh alfalfa. Only two silos, media has no Alexander Of Assyria May 2023 #26
Guys, guys, guys, please remember that... NotVeryImportant May 2023 #32
Goebbels kwolf68 May 2023 #34
Anderson was only talking to the left. The nerve. spanone May 2023 #36

TheProle

(2,519 posts)
1. Some of the "lack of fact-checking"
Fri May 12, 2023, 04:15 PM
May 2023
https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/11/politics/fact-check-donald-trump-january-6-cnn-town-hall/index.html

Former President and 2024 Republican presidential candidate Donald Trump participated in a CNN town hall Wednesday where he made numerous false claims about the violence at the US Capitol on January 6, 2021.

Here is a fact check of some of those claims.

Security on January 6

Former President Donald Trump tried to blame then-House Speaker Nancy Pelosi for the violence on January 6, 2021 – when his own supporters stormed the US Capitol, claiming she was “in charge” of security that day.

Facts First: This is false. The speaker of the House is not in charge of Capitol security. That’s the responsibility of the Capitol Police Board, which oversees the US Capitol Police and approves requests for National Guard assistance.

Trump’s former acting Defense Secretary Chris Miller also told lawmakers that he was never given a formal order by Trump to have 10,000 troops ready to be sent to the Capitol on January 6. “There was no direct, there was no order from the president,” Miller said.

Former White House chief of staff Mark Meadows sent an email saying the National Guard would be present to “protect pro Trump people” in the lead up to the US Capitol insurrection, according to the report released by the January 6 committee.

From CNN’s Zachary Cohen
January 6 violence

Trump asserted “a couple” of the January 6 rioters “probably got out of control,” comparing the insurrection to left-leaning protests that turned violent in other cities.

Facts First: This statement is false. Hundreds of rioters have been charged with violence toward police on January 6 and Trump downplaying the violence and equivocating the insurrection with social justice protests fails to recognize the severity of the attack on the Capitol.

The January 6 riot of Trump-supporters who overran the Capitol has resulted in the largest law enforcement response in modern history – because of the sheer amount of violence on the ground, especially toward police, that day.

The number of rioters on January 6 who’ve been charged with violence toward police is in the hundreds.

According to the Justice Department this week, 346 people face federal charges for assaulting, resisting or impeding officers or other employees. That includes more than 100 people charged with using a weapon or causing serious injury to an officer. About five dozen have pleaded guilty to felony charges for these types of crimes.

And the FBI is still seeking information to identify more than 220 others who may have committed violent crimes on the Capitol grounds.

Even Trump-appointed federal judges have countered claims that left-leaning rioters in Portland, for instance, acted similarly to the pro-Trump crowd on January 6.

Judge Trevor McFadden wrote when handling a January 6 rioter’s case in 2021: “Although both Portland and January 6 rioters attacked federal buildings, the Portland defendants primarily attacked at night, meaning that they raged against a largely vacant courthouse. In contrast, the January 6 rioters attacked the Capitol in broad daylight. And many entered it.”

And another federal judge in DC, Carl Nichols, wrote: “The Portland rioters’ conduct, while obviously serious, did not target a proceeding prescribed by the Constitution and established to ensure a peaceful transition of power. Nor did the Portland rioters, unlike those who assailed America’s Capitol in 2021, make it past the buildings’ outer defenses.”

Police on January 6

Trump said that the police officer who shot pro-Trump rioter Ashli Babbitt was a “thug” who “went on television to brag about the fact that he killed her.”

Facts First: The US Capitol Police officer involved in the shooting, Lt. Michael Byrd, was defending the Speaker’s Lobby, adjacent to the House chamber in the Capitol building, during the riot. Babbitt’s fatal shooting occurred as a crowd tried to push through the Speaker’s Lobby doorway while the House was in still in session, according to the House select committee investigating January 6.

The Capitol Police declined to pursue any disciplinary action against Byrd, saying that they had “determined the officer’s conduct was lawful and within Department policy.” The Justice Department also said they would not prosecute Byrd, saying there was “insufficient evidence” to support a criminal case.

Byrd later did an interview with “NBC Nightly News,” where he said that he acted because “there was imminent threat and danger to the members of Congress.” Byrd said during the interview that he came forward publicly after being the focus of vitriol in right-wing circles.

From CNN’s Hannah Rabinowitz
Pence on January 6

Trump said that he doesn’t believe then Vice President Mike Pence was “in any danger” during the several hours that a pro-Trump mob laid siege to the Capitol building on January 6, 2021.

Facts First: While Trump’s belief is subjective, this statement leaves out key details.

Although Pence was safely evacuated from the Senate chamber, swarms of rioters were caught on videotape moving through the Capitol building chanting “hang Mike Pence!”

Other threats levied at Pence from members of the mob included “If Pence caved, we’re going to drag m*therf*ckers through the streets,” and that Pence “is nothing but a traitor” and “deserves to burn with the rest of them.”
Pence himself said that the former president’s “reckless words endangered my family and everyone at the Capitol that day, and I know that history will hold Donald Trump accountable.”

From CNN’s Hannah Rabinowitz

Doc Sportello

(7,738 posts)
4. Good grief. Lack of fact-checking DURING THE EVENT
Fri May 12, 2023, 04:21 PM
May 2023

Sheesh, not that hard to understand. How many watched the after show or read what you posted here? This doesn't matter. The lies went out, mostly unchecked is the point.

TheProle

(2,519 posts)
5. I watched it
Fri May 12, 2023, 04:22 PM
May 2023

She corrected him several times.

Fact-checking in real time as a solo moderator with a serial liar can't be easy.

(added: you didn't qualify fact-checking in real time in your OP. Just saying.)

Doc Sportello

(7,738 posts)
8. Not nearly enough
Fri May 12, 2023, 04:30 PM
May 2023

Her not being able to do it was why they should have had one there doing it, but dump wouldn't have allowed it. Which is why they are being criticized as letting him run the show. No I didn't include real time fact checking nin my post, nor did I give Nicolle's last name. Shame on me but you are making excuses for CNN platforming this guy with not anywhere near enough guardrails and having a worshipful audience.

TheProle

(2,519 posts)
11. I'm saying you might as well curse the weather
Fri May 12, 2023, 04:33 PM
May 2023

Trump will be beaten by getting out the vote, countering his rhetoric and simply by having and articulating better ideas, not by some absurd circle-jerk of tattle-telling on the media.

No one is coming to save us but voters and ideas.

housecat

(3,132 posts)
25. All true. My worry is how the magats will try to rig the election. The red state legislatures are
Fri May 12, 2023, 05:39 PM
May 2023

already planning to rig it by not counting votes and not allowing votes.

Caliman73

(11,767 posts)
12. That is why you don't have serial liars on in that format.
Fri May 12, 2023, 04:34 PM
May 2023

Defending CNN is odd in this situation. It isn't like they didn't know who Trump is or what he does.

Trump steam rolled the moderator, even as she fact checked or pushed back. He made her and CNN look stupid.

You don't platform fascists. Report about them, interview them, cover them if they are saying anything newsworthy. Just don't give them your airspace to spout their bullshit.

Bev54

(10,603 posts)
19. Agree, never on live, never with his cheerleading squad and never move on until fully
Fri May 12, 2023, 05:06 PM
May 2023

put the lie to rest, if that means showing clips or reading tweets, so be it. If you can't get past the first lie then shut it down.

Rebl2

(14,048 posts)
20. Someone (fact checker or her producer)
Fri May 12, 2023, 05:19 PM
May 2023

Should have been her ear telling her what he was saying was untrue. Of course then someone would have been talking to her constantly.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
27. Just to note that she corrected him many, MANY times over the 70 minutes
Fri May 12, 2023, 06:28 PM
May 2023

of free prime time CNN gave him. He delivered his first lie in the first few seconds.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
33. Umhm. She fought right back. She couldn't control him,
Fri May 12, 2023, 07:54 PM
May 2023

but he couldn't quiet or topple her from the ethical high ground either. Afraid this might turn out to be something of a one-off, but at least she did give people something to consider him and his despicable audience against.

Evolve Dammit

(17,508 posts)
35. The ground rules were fucked from the beginning. No booing, stacked with GOP. It was not a
Fri May 12, 2023, 08:09 PM
May 2023

"town hall." It was a mini-rally for a criminal. He was encouraged by CNN to "have fun." He did. Our country suffers from this orange mob-boss pustule.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
37. :) Yup, yup, yup, yup, yup, yup. Yup.
Fri May 12, 2023, 08:27 PM
May 2023

We'll beat those people. We've always had to and to drag them ahead with us.

Response to Doc Sportello (Original post)

msfiddlestix

(7,362 posts)
6. I hope this segment gets uploaded on the roku nbc app.
Fri May 12, 2023, 04:22 PM
May 2023

love to see and hear this one.

on a side note, makes me want to be a fly on the walls of every restaurant, bar & grill Washington reporters gather and hang out I don't know if Nicole does this, I know she's got kids to get home to. but man I'd love to hear her spank Cooper face to face on this one free from the studio environment. that would make great entertainment. lol.

hlthe2b

(103,606 posts)
7. She and John Heileman gave Kaitlin Collins a full pass. I DO NOT.
Fri May 12, 2023, 04:29 PM
May 2023

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IMO, she is every bit as responsible for this debacle-- given she would have had to agree to do it (for her "30 pieces of silver" aka the 9 PM Prime time slot) and she really never tried to fact-check him until well into the second half. It is reported that she was given the ability to cut the event off if he abused the format. Well, he did, beginning with his first word, every lie thereafter, and going through his repeat slander/mockery of E. Jean Carroll. The latter makes me hope CNN gets their very own defamation lawsuit.

Those who defend Kaitlin can "enjoy" her and her Tucker Carlson MO--with whom she worked at Daily Caller. If you think that time did not slop over in her current attitude, or approach, I have news for you. Go see the archived youtube interview (originally on FOX) with her outrageous Soros allegations.

Doc Sportello

(7,738 posts)
9. I totally agree with you
Fri May 12, 2023, 04:33 PM
May 2023

I posted a story yesterday about how Collins has kept up a good relationship with dump and his team. I think she is, like Licht, good at rising in a large organization and ethics, or in this case, our democracy, be damned. And I also hope CNN gets sued by a woman people should admire, Carroll.

TheProle

(2,519 posts)
14. Oh come on:
Fri May 12, 2023, 04:37 PM
May 2023
Despite the unexpected circumstances of her new job, however, Collins rose to the challenge, even as other journalists shied away from it. “I think one of the key aspects of being a good reporter, apart from knowing where the story is and what the news is, is knowing where your skills are best fit, and for me, that was Trump,” she says. “I never even thought about not covering every minute of him.”

But doing so, she knew, would be no walk in the park. “People who worked in the Trump White House were incredibly manipulative and would straight up lie to you, so you had to filter through that,” she explains. “Then there were the personal attacks, where it wasn’t just the standard fare of an administration thinking they hadn’t been treated fairly, and it got incredibly personal, which, in my opinion, it never should.” While others were turned off or exhausted by Trump and the new normal of the White House, though, Collins was convinced it was the best story in town and knew from day one that she couldn’t walk away from it.


https://www.forbes.com/sites/gabbyshacknai/2021/02/01/how-cnns-kaitlan-collins-built-a-career-covering-trump-and-became-the-networks-youngest-chief-white-house-correspondent/?sh=775c56ef546a

Doc Sportello

(7,738 posts)
38. Oh come on yourself, using Forbes as a source
Fri May 12, 2023, 11:08 PM
May 2023

What's next, quoting The Daily Caller? Oh yeah her old gig. The piece you quoted proves what I said, "Collins was convinced it was the best story in town and knew from day one that she couldn’t walk away from it." Yeah, couldn't walk away because it helped her career to play both sides; as did the town hall which i'm sure Lichrt thinks it improves her credibility as they just gave her a new prime time show. You need more than corporate sources and pithy phrases like "come on" if you want to keep making apologies for CNN.

Rebl2

(14,048 posts)
21. She should
Fri May 12, 2023, 05:23 PM
May 2023

have said right back at you Mr. twice impeached former president, when he called her nasty.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
31. I never watched her before this, just assumed she was brought
Fri May 12, 2023, 07:42 PM
May 2023

over from Fox to Fox-Lite BECAUSE she was corrupt and wouldn't tune in. And I pretty much still assume serious character defects, or why was she there? There's no such thing as personality transplants, and people can't really change moral codes or attitudes toward truth like shoes.

That said, we each only have so much energy to turn against what we need to stop.

I'm missing whatever, or whoever?, is causing some to actively disagree with people they normally respect on MSNBC to divert their anger and blame AWAY from the horrendous Rough Beast already rampaging and threatening to destroy us. AWAY from the Beast's monstrous, dangerous audience who represent at least 50 MILLION voters. AWAY from CNN, surely adequately representative of the loathed corporatist billionaires and their greedy capitalist plotting?

TO the moderator honest experts agree provided the ONLY ethical note to this despicable debacle.

Just strikes me as so strange that I feel I'm missing some fact dots to connect. Is there a social media site or blog where truth is spoken that people like Rachel and Nicolle are hiding?

Paladin

(28,487 posts)
18. I hope that snotty "silo" comment follows Cooper around...
Fri May 12, 2023, 04:49 PM
May 2023

...for the rest of his arrogant, entitled life.

FirstLight

(13,546 posts)
28. I was not aware of the context of the "silo" remark, so I had to look it up
Fri May 12, 2023, 07:02 PM
May 2023

But of course AC isn't going to bite the hand that feeds him, and he's obviously drank some of the proverbial koolaid long ago. (*cough* privileged white male *cough*)

Though his equating those who ask for TRUTH from a "news" outlet as people listening to what they WANT to in a "silo" (echo chamber) is EXTREMELY tone deaf and quite insulting.

Dick.


https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-news/anderson-cooper-defends-cnn-trump-town-hall-1234733988/

ALBliberal

(2,618 posts)
23. A true journalist.
Fri May 12, 2023, 05:26 PM
May 2023

I don’t give a damn about her prior political affiliations. She speaks truth to power. If she ever is let go from MSNBC I am gone from that station.

 

Alexander Of Assyria

(7,839 posts)
26. In this silo you got your rotted sludge, this one is fresh alfalfa. Only two silos, media has no
Fri May 12, 2023, 05:49 PM
May 2023

third party silo so ofc must prop up the rancid sludge silo…no choice really.

 

NotVeryImportant

(578 posts)
32. Guys, guys, guys, please remember that...
Fri May 12, 2023, 07:45 PM
May 2023

Nicolle faithfully served under the Bush II Regime.

She hasn't changed her views.

Never forget.

kwolf68

(7,460 posts)
34. Goebbels
Fri May 12, 2023, 08:08 PM
May 2023

is looking from afar right now going, "nice job...that's what I am talking about". I don't think we are going to become fascist anytime soon, but the foundation is built. Merely need to do away with Democracy and it's check mate.

spanone

(136,702 posts)
36. Anderson was only talking to the left. The nerve.
Fri May 12, 2023, 08:13 PM
May 2023

trmp shit all over their studio and it's our fault because we're in our 'silos'?

FUCK HIM AND CNN.

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