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So what happened to the wise practice of naming mass shooters as infrequently as possible? (Original Post) LAS14 May 2023 OP
There's so fucking many of them, it has zero effect. Wingus Dingus May 2023 #1
Which will accomplish... sarisataka May 2023 #4
I don't care if Garcia's family suffers. I don't care if any of the mass shooters' families Wingus Dingus May 2023 #5
Ah, I see sarisataka May 2023 #7
It's not lashing out. It's acknowledging that these people Wingus Dingus May 2023 #8
Should the standard sarisataka May 2023 #11
I guess it sucks when a close family member slaughters people, doesn't it? Wingus Dingus May 2023 #13
Why not go full sarisataka May 2023 #15
LOL, I'm talking about not keeping the perp's name private-- Wingus Dingus May 2023 #16
To refresh your memory sarisataka May 2023 #19
The media using the murderer's name in reporting on Wingus Dingus May 2023 #20
A result of the "Do anything but talk about guns" policy ck4829 May 2023 #2
It doesn't matter. No evidence at all that it does. NoRethugFriends May 2023 #3
Probably some analytics saying it's better for clicks/ratings to use the names... RockRaven May 2023 #6
How was it "wise"? maxsolomon May 2023 #9
Pesonal ethics and honor out the window where big money is involved. Prairie_Seagull May 2023 #10
What policy are you speaking of? brooklynite May 2023 #12
There were discussions about the advisability of giving... LAS14 May 2023 #14
Again: discussion by WHOM? brooklynite May 2023 #21
Talking heads at news outlets. nt LAS14 May 2023 #22
You mentioned a "practice"...news to me. brooklynite May 2023 #23
He is a Nazi piece of shit. onecaliberal May 2023 #17
folks need to know who the f they are dembotoz May 2023 #18

Wingus Dingus

(8,059 posts)
1. There's so fucking many of them, it has zero effect.
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:36 PM
May 2023

That was always a myth. Name them and shame their families.

sarisataka

(18,935 posts)
4. Which will accomplish...
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:41 PM
May 2023

What?

If they are dead what good does shaming their family do? It may give a vicarious feeling of vengeance however it is possible the family is suffering as well, knowing what the person did.

Wingus Dingus

(8,059 posts)
5. I don't care if Garcia's family suffers. I don't care if any of the mass shooters' families
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:42 PM
May 2023

suffer. I don't care. Don't...fucking...care...

sarisataka

(18,935 posts)
7. Ah, I see
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:46 PM
May 2023

It is simply about lashing out at someone. Culpability is irrelevant.

Should we punish the shooters descendants as well? Kick their kids out of school?

Wingus Dingus

(8,059 posts)
8. It's not lashing out. It's acknowledging that these people
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:51 PM
May 2023

raised, supported, enabled monsters. They aren't entitled to good, happy lives when the victims' families will forever endure changed and damaged lives. "Society" didn't produce the Garcia's or Crumbley's or Cruz's or Klebold's or Harris's or Lanza's of the world, the parents did-- with their actively shitty parenting, or their neglect of mental or emotional support, or their provision of firearms and gun culture worship, or their self-absorption with their own lives, and so on. These killers don't arise from a crack in the ground. Someone made them.

sarisataka

(18,935 posts)
11. Should the standard
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:58 PM
May 2023

Of blaming parents and/or other family members) for the actions of the criminal be limited to only mass killers?

What about Atlanta? He only killed one but shot several more. Should his parents be left in peace or publicly shamed?

Wingus Dingus

(8,059 posts)
13. I guess it sucks when a close family member slaughters people, doesn't it?
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:01 PM
May 2023

Bad publicity! People don't love you as much! Neighbors aren't sure about you anymore! Man, that's too bad.

sarisataka

(18,935 posts)
15. Why not go full
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:07 PM
May 2023

Old Testament then?

Exodus 34: 7 Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children's children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.

Wingus Dingus

(8,059 posts)
16. LOL, I'm talking about not keeping the perp's name private--
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:12 PM
May 2023

because the family that produced the monster doesn't deserve to have its privacy protected by keeping the name out of the public sphere. I have no idea what you're on about. Tell you what, maybe you can start a GoFundme for the mass murderer's family, since you feel so bad for them.

sarisataka

(18,935 posts)
19. To refresh your memory
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:27 PM
May 2023
Name them and shame their families.


I don't care if Garcia's family suffers. I don't care if any of the mass shooters' families

suffer. I don't care. Don't...fucking...care...


I don't believe in punishing people who may be innocent, at least not until it is shown they have some direct responsibility for the person's actions. YMMV.

Wingus Dingus

(8,059 posts)
20. The media using the murderer's name in reporting on
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:30 PM
May 2023

the murder is "punishing" the family who produced the murderer? Are you serious? And yes, I'll repeat. I DON'T CARE if the killer's family suffers. In fact, they should suffer, even if only mental anguish--but a lot of them won't because they're bad people who raised a bad person. It takes a conscience and morals to suffer anguish and remorse.

RockRaven

(15,097 posts)
6. Probably some analytics saying it's better for clicks/ratings to use the names...
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:44 PM
May 2023

It's always about money.

maxsolomon

(33,473 posts)
9. How was it "wise"?
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:53 PM
May 2023

I see no evidence that the identity of the mass killer impacts anything.

Even showing the mangled bodies wouldn't change minds in America.

"No Infringements" overrules everything else.

Prairie_Seagull

(3,350 posts)
10. Pesonal ethics and honor out the window where big money is involved.
Mon May 8, 2023, 12:54 PM
May 2023

I really want to add, not always, but...

brooklynite

(95,021 posts)
12. What policy are you speaking of?
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:00 PM
May 2023

Other than in discussions here, I haven’t heard that of any policy to be followed.

Should we not mention that Vladimir Putin is responsible for the deaths in Ukraine?

LAS14

(13,792 posts)
14. There were discussions about the advisability of giving...
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:05 PM
May 2023

... mass murderers the publicity they craved, thinking it might encourage copy cats. Since those discussions it's been clear that their names, though available, are routinely not mentioned in news reports.

dembotoz

(16,866 posts)
18. folks need to know who the f they are
Mon May 8, 2023, 01:24 PM
May 2023

we need to show that bad things happen to bad people

justice needs to be seen to be believed.....

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