"Right Wing Death Squad" patch on vest of Mauricio Garcia, TX mall shooter.

[herding cats]

Gunman in Texas mall shooting may have had neo-Nazi beliefs


ALLEN, Tex. — The gunman who opened fire on an outlet mall in a Dallas suburb Saturday, killing at least eight people, was a man in his early 30s who may have had white supremacist or neo-Nazi beliefs, people familiar with the investigation said Sunday.

Mauricio Garcia, a local resident, had multiple weapons on him and in his nearby car, said people familiar with the investigation who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss the ongoing probe.

Authorities have not released a motive, but a patch on his chest said “RWDS,” an acronym that stands for Right Wing Death Squad, according to people familiar with the investigation. The phrase is popular among right wing extremists, neo-Nazis and white supremacists, they said. In addition to the weapons found on his body, investigators found another five guns inside his car nearby, these people said.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2023/05/07/texas-allen-outlets-shooting-dallas/

I suspect this explains the delay in releasing information on him.

[mercuryblues]

1. Yup. Had to sanitize his social media accounts.

[yardwork]

2. I wonder if the Proud Boys conviction set him off.

In another thread I was explaining that many Latinos identify as white. Like Torres, the leader of the Proud Boys, who just convicted.

Latinos can be white supremacists.

[meadowlander]

5. I think the distinction between hispanic and latino is relevant here as well.

https://www.verywellmind.com/what-is-the-difference-between-hispanic-vs-latino-5082005

"Hispanic refers to people who speak Spanish or who have a background in a Spanish-speaking country. In other words, Hispanic refers to the language that a person speaks or that their ancestors spoke. Some Hispanic people speak Spanish, but others don't.

In contrast, Latino refers to geography: specifically, people from Latin America including Central America, South America, and the Caribbean."

[yardwork]

8. Well, my in-laws are all Hispanic, and they all identify as white.

Don't speak much Spanish, either.

[Torchlight]

17. I'm as pasty white as one gets and have an Hispanic last name. It's Texas.

I had a ggg-father who stayed when the borders moved over him.

But in appearance, I'm the surprise during my first visit to HR when everyone gets the, "oh, we thought you were..." look due to my name. That's pretty common. I'd guess it happens often in CA and the other states in the greater Southwest borderlands.

[yardwork]

49. I'm learning that lots of people don't understand this.

[Marthe48]

34. In 2010

I noticed that the U. S. census was designating Hispanic (or Latino) along with Caucasian, Asian, Negro, Native American, as a race. I had always thought people from all of the European countries and people in Spanish speaking countries were Caucasian. I mentioned my concern way back then, because I thought the designation was divisive. But most of the replies to my post said my opinion wasn't right. So I let it go.
Seeing that several people who could identify as Hispanic, do identify as white supremacists makes me think maybe I wasn't wrong.
My updated opinion is that anyone who identifies as a white nationalist has something profoundly wrong with their outlook.

[LeftInTX]

46. There are Mexican-Americans who are white supremacists

It's a machismo, cowboy, rural, military, law enforcement, redneck, western thing

[yardwork]

47. Usually, the options are separated now into "ethnicity" and "race."

Typically, forms will ask first if one is "Hispanic/Latino" or "Non-Hispanic/Latino." Then, the next option is to choose from among many "races" - which include Black, White, Asian, Indigenous American, or other.

Plenty of Hispanic people identify as white. It's always surprising to me that DUers are surprised by this.

[inthewind21]

57. You

Weren't wrong.

[malaise]

7. Had the same thought

I smelled a rat as soon as they delayed info.
Apparently Jebus loves RWDS

[yardwork]

9. The timing makes me wonder, but really it could be anything.

The fact is that there are a zillion people in this country who could go off at any minute. We can't predict who will, but we sure as hell make sure they're all armed to the teeth.

[paleotn]

45. Nope. Not in a real sense. Like Clarence Thomas, they can be useful tools

but nothing more. They can think they're white supremacists, but they'll never be on top of white world. It doesn't work like that.

[yardwork]

48. White supremacy isn't real, so anybody can say they're one.

[roamer65]

51. Shades of El Salvador RWDS, Nicaraguan "Contras" and anti-Castro Cubans.

Seems like a whiff of it in the air with this nutbag shooter.

[yardwork]

52. Goes right back to Roger Stone.

Direct line between all those Nixon criminals and their dirty little wars. Makes me so mad. They all should be in prison for war crimes.

[Cha]

3. So they're Advertising they're a

"Death Squad".

[Lovie777]

4. Jackass Abbott is "blaming".................

immigrants.

[yardwork]

10. Of course. Anything to distract from the real cause.

[Traildogbob]

33. Yea

Wait till MTG, Boebert, Gaetz and even Cruz get wound up about them damn Mexicans. Oh yea, and trump and the Jew-ish Miller get going on foreigners. Lindsay will be clutching his damn pearls. The shooter will be titled far left demoCRAT.
Jesus, I never dreamed of such a fucked up country at my age. Thought I saw a lot during Nixon and my draft and WAR to protect our freedom.
Roger Waters had amazing foresight….”the lunatics are in the hall”. And his song that was a love letter to “Mother”, Pence’s wife. How did he foresee that love story?
“Mother should I run for President, Mother should I drop the bomb”?
He warned us.

[AZ8theist]

40. BUILD THE WALL, CRIME WILL FALL

I see these IDIOTIC bumper stickers here in Arizona.
This country IS LOADED with morons who can't think more than one dimensionally.

[Traildogbob]

44. How many Morons

Gave Steve Bannon cash for his Yacht?

[bucolic_frolic]

6. So are his connections scrubbed? Must preserve lone gunman theory

lest any extensive social network is revealed.

[tanyev]

11. That really makes me wonder why he would target a mall in Allen, TX.

Although Allen and Collin County are much more diverse than they used to be, it’s still predominantly white and a GOP bastion. Certainly more white and GOP than the area where the police were searching a house in northeast Dallas.

The crowd and eyewitnesses I saw on the local news yesterday were mostly white.

[JI7]

25. White liberals make these bigots very angry

While we don't know the politics of these specific victims. But it could just be that as he worked as a security guard he came across things which made him angry and jealous.

It could be anything from seeing them happy including if they are hanging out with diverse crowd. Maybe seeing a white girl with black boyfriend. Maybe seeing them with lgbt people.

It's about jealousy and resentment.

I'm guessing this guy was an incel also.

[TexasBushwhacker]

26. The guy that shot up the Walmart in El Paso a few years ago was from Allen

He drove to El Paso specifically to shoot Latinos. BTW, Merrick Garland's DOJ just got him to plead guilty to his crimes and he got 90 consecutive life sentences.

[TexasBushwhacker]

27. The guy that shot up the Walmart in El Paso a few years ago was from Allen

He drove to El Paso specifically to shoot Latinos. BTW, Merrick Garland's DOJ just got him to plead guilty to his crimes and he got 90 consecutive life sentences.

[raccoon]

30. Could therecbe a cell of the creeps in the Allen area?

I wonder if Garcia and the El Paso shooter knew each other.

[TexasBushwhacker]

37. The Walmart shooter was heavily into "replacement theory"

So I would say it's possible, although he is considerably younger. The mall shooter was 33 and the El Paso shooter is 24.

[Traildogbob]

35. Seemed to be

Many Latinos interviewed about the attack and in the videos of those held before police released them all. Like the mostly black Mall attack in New York, was it not? Is this a Uvaldi like community? If so, it would be a prime target for white supremacy even if that person is of Latino descent. Says a lot about the hate produced to despise your own heritage. I mean, Stephen Miller hates Jews.
A sick damn cult of people out there. Thanks Fox, you done good. High five each other.

[tanyev]

39. No, Allen is predominantly white.

Demographics from last census: White 61%, Black 9%, Latino 11%, Asian 20%. A lot of the Asian demographic is here because of tech jobs. I saw people from all of those categories in the local news coverage I watched.

It’s called an outlet mall, but it’s a nice part of town and the last time I shopped there (pre-Covid), the merchandise wasn’t much different or cheaper than a regular mall.

Makes me wonder if he also had some personal connection/grudge with the mall.

[Traildogbob]

43. Thanks

The interviews of people gave a Different image. Apologize for jumping to a conclusion. Latinos have been a favorite target of MAGA white super genes as of late.

[AZ8theist]

41. You're assuming a right wing nut job has critical thinking skills.

They don't.

[tanyev]

42. True. Sadly true.

[Torchlight]

12. There goes the last, weakest argument up in smoke it wasn't targeted

by ideology, and motivated by a hatred sculpted in part, by race. Then again, maybe someone wants to speculate it was motivated by a Read Wheel Drive System or some such lesser-used acronym.

[Kid Berwyn]

13. MAGA, in other words.

The NAZIs radicalize incels faster than they can be deprogrammed or defused. America has little clue, thanks to you-know-who.



Why Don’t We Know Much About Right-Wing Terrorists?

Conservatives Fired The Guy Studying Them

JAMESON PARKER
AddictingInfo, JUNE 18, 2015 4:41 PM

After a mass shooting at a historically black church in Charleston, South Carolina, left nine people dead and a right-wing white supremacist arrested, the country once again faces the uneasy question of just how many so-called “home-grown” terrorists are out there – heavily armed, ideologically driven, and violent.

It’s a good question, but it may be tough to answer because for reasons that are astoundingly dimwitted, the Department of Homeland Security pushed out the guy who was in charge of watching them, and dismantled his team all the way back in 2009.

The beleaguered hero of this story is Daryl Johnson, a top government counterterrorism analyst working at Homeland Security who spent six years with the agency amassing a wealth of data on far-right extremist groups that posed various degrees of threat to citizens in the United States. In 2009, in the months after President Obama assumed office, he watched as these groups veered even further right, and began to fear that America’s first African-American president could be the catalyst of a major uptick in hate crimes and anti-government attacks.

In a landmark report released just months into Obama’s term, and now looks downright clairvoyant, Johnson made the case that radical Islam is only a small piece of the terrorism pie:

“Do not overlook other types of terrorist groups,” the report warned, noting that five purely domestic groups had considered using weapons of mass destruction in that period. Similar warnings have been issued by the two principal non-government groups that track domestic terrorism: the New York-based Anti-Defamation League and the Alabama-based Southern Poverty Law Center.

An annual tally by the latter group of what it calls “Terror From the Right” listed 13 major incidents and arrests last year, nearly double the annual number in previous years; the group also reported the number of hate groups had topped 1,000 in 2010, for the first time in at least two decades.

In response to that report, Johnson was destroyed. It wasn’t his integrity or claims that got him in trouble, his facts were solid. Instead, it was the inconvenient truth that much of the threat comes from right-wing conservatives, and even more awkwardly, radical right-wing conservatives who say and think a lot of the same things mainstream right-wing conservatives say and think.

CONTINUED w/links...

http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/18/why-dont-we-know-much-about-right-wing-terrorists-conservatives-fired-the-guy-studying-them/

That was from 2015.

Internet Archive Waybac, if link doesn’t work:

http://web.archive.org/web/20150910045015/http://www.addictinginfo.org/2015/06/18/why-dont-we-know-much-about-right-wing-terrorists-conservatives-fired-the-guy-studying-them/

[highplainsdem]

14. RWers on Twitter are posting that no one named Garcia could be a white

supremacist. They're already treating this news as fake.

[SunSeeker]

16. Are they kidding? Is Enrique Tarrio a figment of our imagination?

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2023/05/05/proud-boys-enrique-tarrio-three-co-defendants-convicted-whats-next/70184903007/

[highplainsdem]

19. They have very selective memories. If they even have enough

brain cells for memories.

[Hieronymus Phact]

22. It's not their memeories.

They're just Lying Pricks.

[paleotn]

32. Tarrio is a fool and a complete tool of something bigger.

The real white supremacists used him and he was dumb enough to be used. Now he may spend decades in prison and for what? The orange shit gibbon and those white people who pulled the strings, destroying Tarrio's life, wont see an hour of jail time.

[paleotn]

29. Exactly. Tarrio is another moron who doesn't understand how reich wing politics works.

Now he may spend decades in jail as a tool in the service of those who do.

[roamer65]

53. But they can definitely be fascists and support leaders like Pinochet, Fujimori, Batista, etc, etc.

[SunSeeker]

15. I knew something was up when Texas officials were being tight-lipped about the shooter.

No surprise.

[Lemon Lyman]

18. Of Course

I'm sure this will get as much pub as that shooter who was trans.

[spike jones]

20. Death squad "recent" history.

[link:https://www.encyclopedia.com/humanities/encyclopedias-almanacs-transcripts-and-maps/death-squads|

[peppertree]

21. And many perpetrators, enablers and sympathizers emigrated to the U.S. in the '80s

Typically to the Miami area - but elsewhere as well.

One famous such example, of sorts, is that of Argentina's Federico Klein - the highest-ranking gov't employee so far indicted in connection with 1/6 (born in the U.S. - but to a brother of a high-ranking dictatorship-era official).

Nominally a low-ranking State Dept. "adviser", Trump had given him Top Secret clearance (some believe he was a go-between in Trump's dealings with his pal Mauricio Macri - himself an admitted dictatorship sympathizer).

I wouldn't be surprised if this Mauricio García has connections with some former Latin dictatorship himself.

[liberal N proud]

23. That right wing connection needs to see air time

Everyone must know this is what the right wing amounts to.

[AllaN01Bear]

24. yet another fool who felt he was judge , jury and excicutioneer.

did he have a manefesto ?

[paleotn]

28. Sorry to break it to you, Mauricio Garcia

but you ain't white. In fact, even if you were still alive you'd never, ever, ever, ever be white. Ever. I don't get these people. I don't think some of them know how white supremacy actually works. What a lost soul, a tool of evil people and a complete fool.

[peppertree]

38. True.

In much of Latin America - except Argentina and Uruguay - people who are anything less than around 75% Indigenous or African often consider themselves "white."

Like many Latin American ills (corruption, violence, despotism, racism, extreme maldistribution of income, etc.), this has cultural origins in the Colonial era.

At the time, the Spanish landlords would often use Ladinos, Mestizos or other 'mixed' types to lord over the Indigenous or African slaves. The higher the % of apparent White blood, the higher-ranked said lackey would usually be.

Naturally, this created a state of intense mutual resentment between Ladinos and the downtrodden, darker people - a resentment that endures to this day.

Mauricio was definitely of Ladino/Mestizo background - and, I suspect, might have family ties to some death squad goon from Latin dictatorship in the '70s or '80s - many of whom fled to the U.S. under Reagan to avoid prosecution and/or revenge.

It goes without saying that most such escapees are now Republican.

[Blue Owl]

31. Ah, one of tRump's very fine people -- what a fucking surprise...

[Evolve Dammit]

36. And I thought the death squads would be after the Orange Anus was anointed. Silly me.

[Snackshack]

50. Most have been...

…people with conservative, right wing, dogmas. The type that listen to things like Limbaugh used to say or the other vitriol pumped out daily by the conservative machine that has determined (long ago) that human life < profits. I have always thought that images of these atrocity and others that firearms are specifically built to do should be shown. We can easily blur out any identifying marks. Maybe then people would really realize that there is a huge difference in the damage ammo especially the ammo designed for these weapons does.

If you have a contact or a community program that will let you ride along with FD or PD and see what this really is that these people are volunteering to face it will open your eyes.

It is sickening and disgusting that this country has done nothing on this even after 20 / 5-6yr olds were executed and now it’s no longer even “thoughts & prayer” from gop it is now just straight up what god wants and how dare anyone try to change that.

The gop is a terrorist organization. Look what it has either claimed complete incompetence about like 9/11 or don’t believe what you are seeing and being told by those democrat heathens COVID is a hoax the 1000’s of Americans dying every phucking day is not true and if it is we’re looking at injections of disinfectants…

I mean JFC how much longer do they get a pass at the murderous governance in just the past 23 yrs. This party 1st /everything else like the USA last really took off with bush/cheney.

I didn’t really start paying attention till the Lee Atwater/Iran Contra phase started with Reagan but the 60’s/70’s look like the gop had Dems on their heels the whole time then too.

[wryter2000]

54. Shouldn't a Latino realize that

To white supremacists he's not fully white?

[JCMach1]

55. Many Latinos hold very tightly to racial 'whiteness'... Racism and colorism

Is very much a thing in Latino communities.

I will straight up for the record say, the two most racist communities I have ever had the pleasure to bump into are whites in Oklahoma and Cuban immigrants in Miami (please note I am speaking in personal experience and generalizations)...

[wryter2000]

56. I'll bet if they had to explain to a Nazi that they were white

They'd get an ugly surprise.

[JCMach1]

58. Fascists have some convoluted ideas (no kidding)

I still remember POC skinheads In the 1980's...

The WTF is real

[Kid Berwyn]

59. What "we" practice overseas ALWAYS comes back to be applied at home.

El Mozote, El Salvador, for example. The New York Times refused to print the story until after Raygun’s re-selection.

https://cejil.org/en/case/el-mozote-massacre/