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babylonsister

(171,032 posts)
Wed May 3, 2023, 08:42 AM May 2023

CNN tried to ignore Trump's coup attempt

https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2023/5/2/2167103/-CNN-almost-forgot-that-time-Trump-plotted-a-coup

CNN tried to ignore Trump's coup attempt
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Daily Kos Staff
Tuesday May 02, 2023 · 2:00 PM EDT
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On Monday, CNN announced that they would be holding a "presidential town hall" hosting one and only one Republican candidate: Donald Trump, the seditionist coup plotter who attempted to nullify a U.S. presidential election by hoax or by force rather than give up power.

"The event, hosted by “CNN This Morning” anchor Kaitlan Collins and airing at 9 PM ET on May 10, will feature the former president taking questions from New Hampshire Republicans and undeclared voters who plan to vote in the 2024 GOP presidential primary," says CNN.

There was no mention of that coup attempt in CNN’s original announcement. There was a one-sentence mention of Trump's New York indictment for cooking his company books to hide hush money payments while on the campaign trail, and a mention of the current defamation trial against Trump leveled by writer E. Jean Carroll, but no mention of Trump pressuring Georgia election officials to change vote totals, no mention of his extended efforts to convince his vice president to refuse to recognize the electoral votes of multiple states during the Jan. 6, 2021, joint session of Congress convened to ratify Joe Biden's victory, and no mention of Trump's role in gathering and setting loose a mob for the specific purpose of intimidating Congress into accepting whatever alternate electoral count his seditionist allies might propose.

It was only after the company had been subjected to widespread online mocking and contempt that it expanded its announcement to mention that Trump is still under federal investigation for his role in the Capitol attacks. That mention is called “additional details,” in the CNN note acknowledging the revision. One imagines that CNN was simply too surprised by the breaking news of its own scheduled programming to have filled in the details correctly the first time through.

The evidence uncovered about Trump's actions is hardly mysterious. In particular, it is known that Trump publicized an intended "march" to coincide precisely with the formal counting of electoral votes; that he was aware of violent elements within that crowd; that he was told that many in the crowd were armed and would not give up their weapons in order to pass through rally metal detectors; that he responded with the furious demand that the metal detectors be turned off and the crowd be allowed to keep their weapons; that he then told the crowd to "march" to the U.S. Capitol, planning on joining the crowd himself before security officials refused to allow it; that he saw the violence outside the Capitol, and did nothing; that he saw live coverage of rioters break into the Capitol, and did nothing; that he was in contact with evacuating lawmakers who asked him to step in, but acted instead to spur the crowd by condemning the hiding Mike Pence as the crowd searched for him; and that after the violence subsided, he repeatedly condemned the arrests of those who violently entered the building and demanded their release, even promising their pardon.

Yet none of that made it into the first CNN announcement. It was, apparently, considered less significant than either his indictment for book-cooking or a civil defamation lawsuit filed against him.

Attempting to overthrow the legitimate government of the United States with the assistance of crooked allies and a violent mob, barely more than 2 years ago, is swept aside in favor of more current news cycles. This is an industry-wide affectation, and CNN no doubt thought all was set right again after an additional details section was added to satisfy democracy’s most pedantic allies.

Actually, no. Forgetting to mention the violent attempted coup in the news release was a quibble; hosting the man who sponsored it in the first place remains the far more flagrant act.

CNN has done its level best to side with political corruption and even acts of sedition as it repeatedly slides right to court the backers of both rather than give up access to them, or lose the viewership of those that support them. Journalism often declares its highest function to be the exposure of powerful figures who break the public trust for their own profit, but in the CNN version, the journalism part is scrubbed and, instead, talking heads are hired to defend the corruption and to analyze, in political terms, whether the corruption will "help" or "hurt" them in the current election cycle.

There has been not one CNN executive who has known shit about journalism in a very long time, and parent company heads make it their business to ensure that the "balance" between covering corruption and defending it, between coup opposition and coup support, between fact and hoax, and between democracy and fascist overthrow is never far enough out of tilt that the network cannot boast to both groups that it has shown respect for their point of view.

There is an easy method of not giving the architect of an attempted overthrow of our government lavish televised events meant to promote his return to power: simply don't do it. Tell the pardon-promising endorser of political violence that he can go to hell for all he wants, but the company will neither specially promote him, nor look to make a crooked buck in doing so. This is not hard. It is well within the purview of network executives to determine that the public danger outweighs the network's obsessive-compulsive need for spectacle.

It would require the integrity that nobody in the entertainment—not "news," but entertainment—industry can abide even being in the same building with, but most of the rest of the American public is familiar with the notion of don't side with terrorists, that being something that the "news" channels of two decades ago were quite willing to drill into our heads.

Trump attempted the overthrow of our government. "But he's also a presidential candidate!" network executives will whine. Yes. Choose which of those two things is more important. You can interview him. You can analyze him. You can do all the other journalistic things that the network might do with a Columbian cartel head, but you would not give a Colombian cartel head an hour-long television special in which he can speak with his American addicts about what his new pricing plans will be. Grow the smallest possible spine, you gutless worms, and declare that "attempted to overthrow our very government" is perhaps the one news event you can think of that would overweigh campaign trail "coverage."
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CNN tried to ignore Trump's coup attempt (Original Post) babylonsister May 2023 OP
I just never watch any CNN these days... FarPoint May 2023 #1
And he still walks free. Hotler May 2023 #2
And sadly, will likely to continue to walk free. n/t area51 May 2023 #29
Chris Licht is True Blue American May 2023 #49
Thank you for posting UpInArms May 2023 #3
I threw out SpamWyzer May 2023 #4
I'd agree but I can't stand the grammatical and punctuational errors. jaxexpat May 2023 #10
It's as if there are no longer any editors. OMGWTF May 2023 #36
You are my hero! jaxexpat May 2023 #45
Spelling, verb tenses, and missing words! calimary May 2023 #62
I haven't watched CNN in a year. sheshe2 May 2023 #5
Boycott CNN. mahannah May 2023 #6
And especially boycott this travesty of a program. Scrivener7 May 2023 #17
K&R, Spain did similar and look what happened to them with Franco uponit7771 May 2023 #7
Will Mass Corruption help Republicans or not? Stay tuned for more fair and balanced questions! Alexander Of Assyria May 2023 #8
It will not repair itself, this immoderation of the national media. jaxexpat May 2023 #9
You've packed a lot in there. I agree there is danger for all if we ignore this. erronis May 2023 #50
Well, one person's dissolution is another's evolution. jaxexpat May 2023 #52
Now you can vote DemocratSinceBirth May 2023 #11
I can't decide! ShazzieB May 2023 #22
AT&T owns CNN Submariner May 2023 #12
+1 MrsCoffee May 2023 #15
Nonsense. Did you watch their outstanding special report on the Jan 6th insurrection? Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #13
Did you read the article? CNN has not shrunk from promoting traitortrump. Hermit-The-Prog May 2023 #18
Malarky. A free press covers major party candidates Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #19
No, most often the press serves as an "organ" of the very rich. harumph May 2023 #23
You say "candidates", but CNN is promoting 1 -- singular. That's not "free press". Hermit-The-Prog May 2023 #38
Having a candidate on their network isn't "promoting" a "singular" candidate. Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #42
This is pretzel logic at it's worst. bluesbassman May 2023 #43
Not at all. This is what CNN has done consistently in presidential elections over the years. Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #44
IKR.. It Sucks.. I don't care Cha May 2023 #54
Yeah...maybe CNN's plan is to expose Trump for what he is. Septua May 2023 #20
The best way to undermine Trump is to let him expose himself for what he is. Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #25
What makes you think this town hall won't be controlled? gab13by13 May 2023 #31
Just an inference from the article Septua May 2023 #46
I agree, that special report was excellent. ShazzieB May 2023 #24
Correct, That special report eviscerated Trump. Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #26
I agree, gab13by13 May 2023 #32
Post removed Post removed May 2023 #53
Yes, I continually "reveal myself" as a reality-based Democrat Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #55
That is completely opposite world. FoxNewsSucks May 2023 #60
Finally we have common ground. LOL Just A Box Of Rain May 2023 #61
Note that was before the firings and lurch to the right. Hermit-The-Prog May 2023 #39
It wasn't terribly long ago. ShazzieB May 2023 #47
There was actually more than one. ShazzieB May 2023 #48
All about the $$$$$. Since FOX generates 7 times the revenue CNN does I guess they are racing to MrsCoffee May 2023 #14
That's why we can never watch CNN. Boycotts work. sarcasmo May 2023 #16
CNN's announcement I saw makes it pretty clear trump is a cad, liar, and criminal. Silent Type May 2023 #21
This is good. ShazzieB May 2023 #27
The Iowa caucus is January gab13by13 May 2023 #33
...which is, literally, 8 or 9 months away. Your point? dchill May 2023 #40
I wasn't off by a whole lot. ShazzieB May 2023 #41
Trump can't help it if he shoots his mouth off and entraps himself. He will. flying_wahini May 2023 #28
There needs to be an ad calling CNN "FOX LITE" BComplex May 2023 #30
Creating a tight horse race for ratings is dangerous to democracy. ArizonaLib May 2023 #34
CNN kairos12 May 2023 #35
One thing for sure DownriverDem May 2023 #37
I can't provide a link but... Septua May 2023 #51
Is CNN the new Fox ? republianmushroom May 2023 #56
Instead of looking at the Fox News troubles as proof not to cater to lies and liars LiberalLovinLug May 2023 #57
Trump is not a normal candidate for President. @CNN is trying to normalize him LetMyPeopleVote May 2023 #58
BOYCOTT CNN!!! TeamProg May 2023 #59

FarPoint

(12,287 posts)
1. I just never watch any CNN these days...
Wed May 3, 2023, 09:09 AM
May 2023

From the posts I see here on DU...CNN looks like they are pushing tRump to get attention/ ratings....I sense many there are employees at CNN who puke on the job now...

True Blue American

(17,981 posts)
49. Chris Licht is
Wed May 3, 2023, 04:05 PM
May 2023

Destroying CNN! It is not fit to watch starting with him taking Reliable Sour es off the air.

UpInArms

(51,280 posts)
3. Thank you for posting
Wed May 3, 2023, 09:18 AM
May 2023

I cannot express my disgust and contempt for the spineless money grubbing corporate worms any better than the Daily Kos Staff.

 

SpamWyzer

(385 posts)
4. I threw out
Wed May 3, 2023, 09:20 AM
May 2023

my television 40+ years ago. CNN and all the slime that issues forth from the flatscreens remains, nay, has become WORSE than when I gave up the "drug of the nation, breeding ignorance and feeding radiation..." I recommend print sources for information...the text is the only thing to deal with, not a bunch of paid professional liars.

jaxexpat

(6,799 posts)
10. I'd agree but I can't stand the grammatical and punctuational errors.
Wed May 3, 2023, 09:39 AM
May 2023

Plus, the fact that sometime the sentences just don't make sense.

OMGWTF

(3,940 posts)
36. It's as if there are no longer any editors.
Wed May 3, 2023, 11:27 AM
May 2023

I constantly see terrible grammar, missing words, and spelling errors online. My husband says that I should always have a black Sharpie and a bottle of Wite-Out with me to fix all of the apostrophe abuse we see on signs when we’re out and about.

calimary

(81,100 posts)
62. Spelling, verb tenses, and missing words!
Wed May 3, 2023, 11:20 PM
May 2023

Does nobody hire editors anymore? Good Grief!!!

Appalling!

jaxexpat

(6,799 posts)
9. It will not repair itself, this immoderation of the national media.
Wed May 3, 2023, 09:37 AM
May 2023

Until the fruits of slant and propaganda have borne their fruits, societal dissolution, anarchy and first-hand danger for all from all quarters, the status quo will remain, bloated and useless.

erronis

(15,180 posts)
50. You've packed a lot in there. I agree there is danger for all if we ignore this.
Wed May 3, 2023, 04:11 PM
May 2023

The M$M will obviously not police itself. They sometimes offer some juicy tidbits to feed the librals (msnbc?) but they'll continue to serve their real masters, $$$$

Will this lead to anarchy and dissolution? I think we are a bit more resilient than that, but at several stretching points.

Independent press and free access to news sources (keep the internet free!) are vital. When they start closing down those avenues then we know it's a war.

jaxexpat

(6,799 posts)
52. Well, one person's dissolution is another's evolution.
Wed May 3, 2023, 07:26 PM
May 2023

Some species have evolved right into extinction though the survivors debate the details.

ShazzieB

(16,272 posts)
22. I can't decide!
Wed May 3, 2023, 10:42 AM
May 2023

The poll asks "Is CNN trying to OutFox Fox?"

They may be in danger of outfoxing Fox, but I can't decide if they're actually trying to or not!

Submariner

(12,497 posts)
12. AT&T owns CNN
Wed May 3, 2023, 09:49 AM
May 2023

Warner the middle man company isn’t calling the shots. The same AT&T CEO that funded OAN and its fascist message, is at the top of the heap at CNN.

Collins from Tucker Carlson’s Daily Caller is their tool at CNN now.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
13. Nonsense. Did you watch their outstanding special report on the Jan 6th insurrection?
Wed May 3, 2023, 09:51 AM
May 2023

CNN has not shrunk from airing reports that are highly critical of Trump.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
19. Malarky. A free press covers major party candidates
Wed May 3, 2023, 10:27 AM
May 2023

even when they are odious characters like Trump.

We don't live in a single-party state state where the press serves as house organs of the party. Not yet anyway.

Ironically, many CNN critics seem to want CNN to be more like FOX (rather than less).



harumph

(1,893 posts)
23. No, most often the press serves as an "organ" of the very rich.
Wed May 3, 2023, 10:45 AM
May 2023

Trump has big money behind him because an activist subset of the ultra rich want the neutering of the federal gov't and

to break the US into little fiefdoms - better to arbitrage goods and services that way between

borders and without regulation.

bluesbassman

(19,360 posts)
43. This is pretzel logic at it's worst.
Wed May 3, 2023, 11:59 AM
May 2023

If CNN was merely “having a candidate” on their network, they would do it as a guest on one of their talking head shows. This is absolutely promotion; calling it a “Presidential Town Hall” is proof of that. At this time (thankfully) Trump is no longer President, so calling it that when NO OTHER “candidates” are invited is the very essence of promotion of Trump on the part of CNN.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
44. Not at all. This is what CNN has done consistently in presidential elections over the years.
Wed May 3, 2023, 12:06 PM
May 2023

They have leading candidates on for Town Halls.

I'm appalled that Trump is "the leading candidate" for the GOP, but that's the reality.



Cha

(296,805 posts)
54. IKR.. It Sucks.. I don't care
Wed May 3, 2023, 07:38 PM
May 2023

how it tries to get rationalized.

DT is a GD Domestic Terrorist who Inciting Violence and Death against our Nation's Capitol Building.

Propaganda for Ratings Much, CNN?

Septua

(2,252 posts)
20. Yeah...maybe CNN's plan is to expose Trump for what he is.
Wed May 3, 2023, 10:39 AM
May 2023

Surely, a structured, moderated meeting will get around to addressing his Big Lie and lack of any evidence to support it, the classified documents issue, etc. Trump has never done well in interviews he doesn't control.

I'm actually surprised he accepted the invitation and will be even more surprised if he shows up for a Q&A session hosted by anyone other than Sean Hannity.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
25. The best way to undermine Trump is to let him expose himself for what he is.
Wed May 3, 2023, 10:53 AM
May 2023

Biden will beat him like a drum.



gab13by13

(21,255 posts)
31. What makes you think this town hall won't be controlled?
Wed May 3, 2023, 11:14 AM
May 2023

It wouldn't be the first time a candidate knew the questions ahead of time.

Septua

(2,252 posts)
46. Just an inference from the article
Wed May 3, 2023, 01:45 PM
May 2023
"The event, hosted by “CNN This Morning” anchor Kaitlan Collins and airing at 9 PM ET on May 10, will feature the former president taking questions from New Hampshire Republicans and undeclared voters who plan to vote in the 2024 GOP presidential primary," says CNN.


Another article: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2023/may/01/cnn-donald-trump-town-hall-pushback

Angelo Carusone, chief executive of Media Matters for America, a progressive watchdog, said: “The transparent attempt to goose their ratings does feel at least a little odious. But all the more reason that they need to get this right.”

CNN said it had “a longstanding tradition of hosting leading presidential candidates for town halls and political events as a critical component of the network’s robust campaign coverage”.

Carusone said: “Donald Trump is the frontrunner for Republican nomination; it benefits no one to pretend otherwise.

“But this is risky business and CNN should go into this clear-eyed: Trump will lie and he will attack. Trump has been repeating the same torrent of lies in his speeches and interviews with rightwing media figures for months. Nothing he will say will be new.

So if CNN lets him get away with it unchallenged, they have no excuse. CNN isn’t being graded on a curve here.”


I guess we'll just have to wait and see if CNN gets an A or F.

ShazzieB

(16,272 posts)
24. I agree, that special report was excellent.
Wed May 3, 2023, 10:52 AM
May 2023

This made me realize I was wrong when I said elsewhere on DU that I hadn't watched CNN in tears. I don't watch any of their nightly news shows anymore, but I do watch some of the Special Reports, including this one, which was very, very good. It didn't pull any punches and it was anything BUT favorable to Trump.

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
26. Correct, That special report eviscerated Trump.
Wed May 3, 2023, 10:55 AM
May 2023

CNN "going fascist" is a "big lie" conspiracy theory.

It makes DU look bad.

gab13by13

(21,255 posts)
32. I agree,
Wed May 3, 2023, 11:17 AM
May 2023

CNN has always leaned to the right, it is just moving further right.

CNN and MSNBC are owned and managed by right wing domestic oligarchs. Disclaimer, I do watch Nicolle Wallace.

Response to Just A Box Of Rain (Reply #26)

 

Just A Box Of Rain

(5,104 posts)
55. Yes, I continually "reveal myself" as a reality-based Democrat
Wed May 3, 2023, 07:39 PM
May 2023

who has supported my party and embraced its liberal values since childhood.

Only on DU is that "problematic."



ShazzieB

(16,272 posts)
48. There was actually more than one.
Wed May 3, 2023, 03:14 PM
May 2023

The most recent, American Coup: The January 6th Investigation.
, aired in January 2023.

When were these firings of which you speak?

MrsCoffee

(5,801 posts)
14. All about the $$$$$. Since FOX generates 7 times the revenue CNN does I guess they are racing to
Wed May 3, 2023, 10:01 AM
May 2023

the bottom for dollars. The billionaires are greedy. Not to mention, going FOX lite fits CNN billionaire board member’s agenda.

Silent Type

(2,840 posts)
21. CNN's announcement I saw makes it pretty clear trump is a cad, liar, and criminal.
Wed May 3, 2023, 10:41 AM
May 2023
" . . . . . . the former president is running to retake the White House at the same time that he’s been indicted in New York and faces additional legal peril in Washington and Georgia. Trump pleaded not guilty last month to 34 felony criminal charges of falsifying business records in Manhattan, in a case stemming from hush money payments made during the 2016 campaign to women claiming extramarital affairs with Trump, which he has denied. . . . . .

"The former president is also under scrutiny by special counsel Jack Smith, who is leading a pair of investigations – one into the January 6, 2021, attack on the US Capitol and the other on the handling of classified documents at his Mar-a-Lago residence. And Fulton County District Attorney Fani Willis plans to announce charges this summer from the investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election in Georgia.

"The former president is also being sued by former advice columnist E. Jean Carroll, who alleges that Trump sexually assaulted her in the mid-1990s and subsequently defamed her after she went public about the incident. Trump has also denied Carroll’s allegations. Trump has refused to acknowledge that he lost the 2020 election to President Joe Biden, continuing to falsely claim that the election was stolen from him, even as Trump’s rivals – and some of his allies – have urged the Republican Party to move on from 2020. . . . . .

https://www.cnn.com/2023/05/01/politics/donald-trump-town-hall/index.html

ShazzieB

(16,272 posts)
27. This is good.
Wed May 3, 2023, 10:58 AM
May 2023

I still think it's little weird have a candidate town hall for a primary election that's, what? 8 or 9 months away? But it sounds like it's happening no matter what any of us think.

ShazzieB

(16,272 posts)
41. I wasn't off by a whole lot.
Wed May 3, 2023, 11:48 AM
May 2023

I just googled, and I'm seeing February 5 for the Iowa caucus and February 13 for the NH primary. So Iowa is 9 months away if I'm doing the math right, and NH the following week.

I don't know if it's normal to have a town hall 9 months ahead of time or not. I didn't think it was, but I'm really not sure.

flying_wahini

(6,578 posts)
28. Trump can't help it if he shoots his mouth off and entraps himself. He will.
Wed May 3, 2023, 11:04 AM
May 2023

I’ll just bet his lawyers are having gut pain watching him puff up like a bloated pig that he is.

I won’t watch CNN anymore.

ArizonaLib

(1,242 posts)
34. Creating a tight horse race for ratings is dangerous to democracy.
Wed May 3, 2023, 11:21 AM
May 2023

That is how Hillary lost to Trump. It should have never been close. They do this every election.

Septua

(2,252 posts)
51. I can't provide a link but...
Wed May 3, 2023, 07:18 PM
May 2023

..all the crowd on "Deadline White House" are pissed about it, for the OP's same reason.

Nicolle said it's not about fact checking rather how do you cover someone who embraces violence, someone who was fine with Mike Pence being hung, someone who isn't a normal politician.

LiberalLovinLug

(14,164 posts)
57. Instead of looking at the Fox News troubles as proof not to cater to lies and liars
Wed May 3, 2023, 10:33 PM
May 2023

They rush to fill in the Trump coverage gap.

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