UFO become mainstream

[elizabethwilkins22]

Did you noticed how in last 1-2 years UFO topic become popular in mainstream medias like CNN, BBC...
here you can see that almost all comments bellow Joe Rogan YouTube videos is about UFO topics,
what you think about this and what is your general thinks about UFO phenomenon?

[lastlib]

1. Like Arthur C. Clarke, I think there IS intelligent life in the universe.....

...and I think it's TOO intelligent to come HERE.

It would be an extraordinary species that could solve the problems of interstellar flight.

[Victor_c3]

3. I don't believe there is a grand conspiracy to cover up contact with aliens going on

But I do believe we are being visited and observed.

Everyone is quick to point out the sheer distances between stars and limits of the speed of light as being a problem we could never solve, but I think that is too narrow of an assumption.

We don’t understand how gravity and time works. Hell, we don’t even know if time is a real thing or just an illusion. As soon as we understand something, it becomes a matter of engineering to manipulate it.

[Kid Berwyn]

4. Pee-resident Trump said there's nothing to Them. So...

…obviously there’s something to Them when someone who’s always wrong says there’s nothing to them.

“I want them to think whatever they think," Trump said of the Navy pilots. "I did have one very brief meeting on it. But people are saying they’re seeing UFOs. Do I believe it? Not particularly.” — Donald J. Trump, June 2019

Source: https://www.politico.com/story/2019/06/15/trump-says-he-doesnt-particularly-believe-ufo-reports-1365848

Spoken like someone who believes he already knows all he’ll ever need to know about everything.



Expert Testimony plus Radar-Photographic evidence of something unknown.

Source: https://www.livescience.com/65585-ufo-sightings-us-pilots.html

[PCIntern]

5. I believe that there are civilizations with technologies

of which we cannot conceive. Look how far we have come in 150 years….can you imagine ten or twenty thousand years of research into the elements of science? No. None of us can.

Interstellar/ interdimensional travel is possible and the notion that they wouldn’t come here, because of our primitive petty squabbling is anthropomorphic and they would see our planet as rich in resources and with sentient life, no matter how primitive by comparison. Their public presence would change everything in every human sphere of experience.

[Layzeebeaver]

15. Belief is not fact - unless it is based on fact.

It's more likely the real fact here is these are just aberrations in software, imaging, or human perception.

The probability that a higher evolved civilisation is visiting us is infinitesimal. So low, that it is not a possibility. That does not discount that there is a possibility of such civilisations existing across the universe.

In the olden days we needed a God to explain the unknown. Now we have other idiots to convince us that it's not God anymore, but rather aliens. Give me strength...

I give up on the ability of human society to raise its conscience before it kills itself. What special gift do these extraterrestrials have that we don't?

Ridiculousness, that's what it all is in my opinion. The only value is to inform Hollywood plot writers.

Everyone else can respectfully disagree, that's fine by me.

[PCIntern]

16. You're entitled to your opinion

[Silent3]

30. It's always blobsquatch

I'm pretty sure that there's alien life out there somewhere too, and some of it might have technologies beyond our imagination.

That said, the evidence for that life visiting Earth is pathetic. The number of people walking around with cameras has skyrocketed since UFO reports first began, and there's a lot more coverage from automated cameras and satellites, etc., yet THIS is still the best we've got?

[robbob]

37. Well, as Mitch Hedberg said about another "unexplained" phenomenon

“The problem is, Bigfoot IS blurry. It’s not the photographers fault, Bigfoot is blurry…”

Out of focus aliens roaming through our airspace…

[Johnny2X2X]

47. Not just space, but time

The vastness of space is hard to grasp by itslef, but coupled with the vastness of time it's just nearly impossible to grasp that human history is just a blink of an eye in the context of the age of the universe. Maybe thousands of intelligent civilizations with the technology to get to earth have existed, but maybe 99.99% of them existed millions or billiosn of years ago. A civilization, no matter how advanced, isn't going to exist for millions and millions of years. You're not only counting on a civilization to be able to navigate the cosmos to find us, but to have also existed at the same time our blink of an eye length of human history has existed.

[W_HAMILTON]

49. True, but at the same time...

...if they have the ability to travel here, odds are they can find plenty of other planets even richer with resources than ours pretty easily.

[MartyTheGreek]

6. There is a Slow Motion Disclosure Going On

I've been following Ufology for 25 years or more. Get a start with "The Day After Roswell" by Col Corso. The very technology we're using here may have been derived by reverse engineering crashed craft.

YouTube: Disclosure Project 2001

Don't be afraid! If they wanted harm us we would be dead by now. It's arrogant to think that in this vast Universe we're the only sentient beings.

[elizabethwilkins22]

11. ufo

for me is strange to believe that after all this year we not have 1 hd photo even with all this technologies,
but something is for sure there, what exactly i don't know

[MartyTheGreek]

28. Government wants to control the narrative and timing of this disclosure

Col Corso said that some parts recovered were given to Bell Labs and ran with it. Think about it, first flight at Kitty Hawk was in 1903 and less than a lifetime we went to the moon and back.

Dozens of Astronauts have reported seeing UFOs. Why would they make that up with their careers on the line?

[Layzeebeaver]

17. Conspiracy Theory 101

Thank you.

Your thinking and suggested reading on this topic are utter bullshit in my opinion.

No basis in scientific fact at all.

You are reading what you want to believe. And the longer you do it, the more you value your beliefs because you've invested too much time and energy to tell yourself that you are wrong.

Let me tell you now that you are wrong. Consider it a favour.

[MartyTheGreek]

26. And, you've locked yourself into not believing because Science?

Ben Rich Lockheed Skunkworks:

“There is an error in the equations, and we have figured it out, and now know how to travel to the stars, and it won’t take a lifetime to do it” (source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“We did the F-104, C-130, U2, SR-71, F-117 and many other programs that I can’t talk about. We are still working very hard, I just can’t tell you what we are doing.
(source: 1993 WPAFB slide presentation)

“The Air Force has just given us a contract to take ET back home”
(source: 1993 WPAFB slide presentation)

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of GOD to ever get them out to benefit humanity”
(source: statement made after UCLA presentation to three Disclosure Project witnesses)

“We now have the technology to take ET back home”
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“We now know how to travel to the stars”
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“There is an error in the equations, and we have figured it out, and now know how to travel to the stars, and it won’t take a lifetime to do it”
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“It is time to end all secrecy on this, as it no longer poses a national security threat, and make the technology available for use in the private sector”.
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“There are many in the intelligence community who would like to see this stay in the black, and not see the light of day”
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

“Jim, we have things out in the desert that are fifty (50) years beyond what you could possibly comprehend. If you have seen it on Star Wars or Star Trek, we’ve been there done that, or decided it was not worth the effort”
(Source: direct comments by Ben Rich to Jim Goodall via telephone call at the USC medical center approximately one week before Ben passed away on January 5th 1995)

“Dear John, Yes, I’m a believer in both categories. Feel anything is possible. Many of our man-made UFO’s were Un Funded Opportunities. In both categories, there are a-lot of books and charlatans, be careful. Best regards, Ben Rich”.
(source: 7/21/86 letter to John Andrews (Testors model Corporation) from Ben Rich who asked Ben if he was a believer in A) man made UFO’S, and B) extra-terrestrial UFO’s)

“We have some new things. We are not stagnating. What we are doing is updating ourselves, without advertising. There are some new programs, and there are certain things-some of them 20 or 30 years old-that are still break-throughs and appropriate to keep quiet about. Other people don’t have them yet.
(source: statement made by Ben Rich to Stuart F. Brown in an interview published in Popular Science October 1994)

“I wish I could tell you about the projects we are currently working on. They are both fascinating and fantastic. They call for technologies once only dreamed of by science fiction writers”.
(source: AIAA lecture Atlanta, Ga. September 7-9 1988)

[Layzeebeaver]

33. Thank you for all these quotes - the majority (All?) of which are from Ben Rich

A fellow known from his work with "The Skunkworks" - quite bright, but still provides NO EVIDENCE AT ALL.

Let me give you my opinion of these quotes. Im being brutal here. None of this constitutes evidence of any kind at all. You might as well believe all the stories in the bible and have a similar chance of meeting "ET".

Here goes...


“There is an error in the equations, and we have figured it out, and now know how to travel to the stars, and it won’t take a lifetime to do it” (source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

Show the math that supports this please. Otherwise its only a personal comment from one engineer

“We did the F-104, C-130, U2, SR-71, F-117 and many other programs that I can’t talk about. We are still working very hard, I just can’t tell you what we are doing.
(source: 1993 WPAFB slide presentation)

So he can’t talk about top-secret projects – this is not evidence but rather a lack of evidence.

“The Air Force has just given us a contract to take ET back home”
(source: 1993 WPAFB slide presentation)

This is a spurious personal comment – more akin to an analogy. No proof of anything provided.

“We already have the means to travel among the stars, but these technologies are locked up in black projects and it would take an act of GOD to ever get them out to benefit humanity”
(source: statement made after UCLA presentation to three Disclosure Project witnesses)

Personal comment – no evidence provided.

“We now have the technology to take ET back home”
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

Comments from a speech - no evidence provided.

“We now know how to travel to the stars”
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

Comments from a speech - no evidence provided.

“There is an error in the equations, and we have figured it out, and now know how to travel to the stars, and it won’t take a lifetime to do it”
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

Comments from a speech - no evidence provided.

“It is time to end all secrecy on this, as it no longer poses a national security threat, and make the technology available for use in the private sector”.
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

Comments from a speech - no evidence provided.

“There are many in the intelligence community who would like to see this stay in the black, and not see the light of day”
(source: UCLA School of Engineering Alumni speech 3/23/93)

What exactly? Comments from a speech - no evidence provided.

“Jim, we have things out in the desert that are fifty (50) years beyond what you could possibly comprehend. If you have seen it on Star Wars or Star Trek, we’ve been there done that, or decided it was not worth the effort”
(Source: direct comments by Ben Rich to Jim Goodall via telephone call at the USC medical center approximately one week before Ben passed away on January 5th 1995)

Personal comment – no evidence provided.

“Dear John, Yes, I’m a believer in both categories. Feel anything is possible. Many of our man-made UFO’s were Un Funded Opportunities. In both categories, there are a-lot of books and charlatans, be careful. Best regards, Ben Rich”.
(source: 7/21/86 letter to John Andrews (Testors model Corporation) from Ben Rich who asked Ben if he was a believer in A) man made UFO’S, and B) extra-terrestrial UFO’s)

Comment from a person that “believes and feels” – no evidence provided.

“We have some new things. We are not stagnating. What we are doing is updating ourselves, without advertising. There are some new programs, and there are certain things-some of them 20 or 30 years old-that are still break-throughs and appropriate to keep quiet about. Other people don’t have them yet.
(source: statement made by Ben Rich to Stuart F. Brown in an interview published in Popular Science October 1994)

Personal comment – no evidence provided.

“I wish I could tell you about the projects we are currently working on. They are both fascinating and fantastic. They call for technologies once only dreamed of by science fiction writers”.
(source: AIAA lecture Atlanta, Ga. September 7-9 1988)

Personal comment – no evidence provided.


I'm really sorry to say this, but these quotes you provide only work to support a general impression that you could very likely be (I'm not saying you are) viewed as a crackpot. Please take care and step away from the deep end, unless you are already in the water.

[Layzeebeaver]

36. That's OK.

Your evidence is not evidence.

But you are free to believe anything you want.

When you post it openly, you have to accept that folks will take you to task.

Also, for the record, I am not an idiot. Any neither are you - even if you may believe in fantasy.

Can you please let me know the facts and a few links bout this Clinton reveal you speak of?

Asking in as kind a manner as possible.

[Duppers]

7. Seen one...

"Experienced" another.

Wasn't alone either time; will post more later. 👾

[Beaverhausen]

43. have your reported your sighting and/or experience?

https://mufon.com/

My husband is a field investigator for Mufon and it's amazing the reports he gets...most are helium balloons or birds, but about 5% can't be explained so are legit "unknowns". Not saying they are alien, but they appear to be any sort of craft we know about.

He also works with a team that helps "experiencers"

[Renew Deal]

8. I would avoid the link in this post

It looks spammy

[elizabethwilkins22]

10. no

what you mean with spam?
on that link is site with popular comments of joe rogan youtube channel

[Demsrule86]

12. Joe Rogan is a right wing piece of garbage and I would never post anything he says period.

And why do you suppose an ignorant, homophobic, racist, and sexist jerk like him would have any knowledge of government information about UFOs?

[Mister Ed]

14. Who's Joe Rogan?

I've never heard him, but I have heard of him. I think he's a controversial and opinionated comedian with a popular podcast? If so, that's not a place where I'd seek scientific information of any kind.

[hatrack]

18. A steroidal clown who thinks he's a renaissance man but is in fact a sentient ham

.

[elizabethwilkins22]

21. i speak about comments bellow joe rogan videos, i didn't talk about joe rogan :)

[hatrack]

22. I wasn't responding to you

.

[elizabethwilkins22]

24. :)

[Demsrule86]

27. We have many people who read DU...some are member some aren't but this thread

may very well cause some to read his shit or listen to his hateful shit. And I wonder why you would post Rogan's opinion on UFOs when there are many other sources where folks are actually knowledable about the subject. He is most famous for his use of the N-word but I expect you knew that. It is hardly a secret. He has also been down recently in Texas doing anti-woke shows.

[Demsrule86]

42. Plenty of better sources for UFOs then this one which is also seriously spammy and has direct

links to his shitty rightwing podcasts.

[Demsrule86]

25. No, he is not a comedienne. He has right wing propaganda on his show...I suggest you look him

up. Of course, he has taken down the worst like when he opined that Gay people were the victims of molestation and would do the same to children. But there is plenty of his vile crap out there.

'Rogan has frequently used his platform to promote smears against trans people, spread conspiracy theories, and espouse COVID-19 misinformation. His show is streamed exclusively on Spotify and is the most popular podcast on the platform. As The Washington Post has noted, “With an estimated 11 million listeners per episode, Rogan reaches nearly four times as many people as prime-time cable hosts such as Sean Hannity of Fox News Channel and Rachel Maddow of MSNBC.”

Peterson is a former Canadian psychology professor who rose to prominence in far-right circles by promoting extreme misogynistic and anti-trans rhetoric. Peterson largely disappeared from the public sphere in 2019 but has recently returned to his role as a darling of the right-wing propaganda machine, with 4.5 million subscribers on his YouTube channel alone.'

https://www.mediamatters.org/joe-rogan-experience/spotifys-joe-rogan-and-guest-jordan-peterson-suggest-trans-people-are-sign.


The controversy over Joe Rogan’s repeated past use of the n-word on his podcast is about more than racist language or cancel culture – it speaks to deeper truths and persistent lies that help define contemporary America. Rogan, who was already under fire earlier this year for being a conduit for misinformation brandished by anti-vaxxers on his popular show, faced immense backlash after a video compilation of him using the n-word, which he said was compiled over a span of 12 years, was widely shared on social media. Oh, he is also anti-vax...truly an awful human being.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/10/opinions/joe-rogan-myth-spotify-joseph/index.html

And of course, he spreads the rumor that Biden has dementia...this year in fact. Seriously this thread should be deleted.

https://nypost.com/2023/03/06/joe-rogan-says-biden-is-mentally-gone-slams-f-king-sideshow-of-diversity-cabinet/

He should be banned here I did not post the above video as it is anti-Democratic garbage, but I did provide a link

[Mister Ed]

41. Thank you for this info, although I kinda wish I still didn't know.

I have a much-beloved in-law who's a fan of this Rogan character, and is looking forward to seeing him live in Las Vegas soon.

My in-law never espouses the sort of things you've described above, but there must be something seriously wrong with anyone who finds that crap entertaining.

[Demsrule86]

45. Sorry...my son listened for a while...when he heard the podcast about Gays turning Gay because

of molestation...he stopped listening. I had ordered him to use headphones...as I refuse to hear that shit. My daughter is Gay and her brother was bothered by this podcast. My other daughter was dating a Black man and Rogan uses the N-word all the time. I am happy that Rogan was gone. I don't use Spotify because they host him.

[Shanti Shanti Shanti]

9. Training run for full disclosure? 1st step is reduce the stigma of reporting a UFO, esp. FOR PILOTS

Public thinks they are ready for a full reveal, without panic in the streets, lol, we shall see with the Pentagon now onboard with more disclosure

And yes, I have seen one up close, not just a light in the sky, it was moving towards me with a bright white cone of light coming down to ground from a few hundred feet up, at night, no sound at all, hovering for maybe 5 minutes and a saucer shape darkness and blotting out the stars above, when light shut off and it shot away, noiselessly again

[elizabethwilkins22]

13. tic tac

tic tac is very interesting case,
witnesses are serious people,
but still no photo or better video for public

[PCIntern]

20. This testimony is not unique....

Many individuals have described the same non-ballistic motion coupled with inconceivable speeds. The difference here is the this is a gentleman whose profession it was to observe objects in the skies.

[brooklynite]

19. It only became "mainstream" because mainstream media reported on the DOD release...

...still no hard evidence that they're anything other than "unidentified". Certainly nothing pointing to alien visitors, the probability of which is vanishingly low given the travel distances.

I believed in UFOs as a teenager because the idea was appealing. Then I actually thought about the science involved.

If you're going to throw out the excuse of "who knows what technology an advanced technology would have to travel faster than light", it would be just as appropriate to say "who knows what technology an advanced technology would have to hide themselves when they got here."

[elizabethwilkins22]

23. hm

maybe they want to be seen

[brooklynite]

31. Equally baseless speculation.

[Baitball Blogger]

29. I remember a time when UFO topics were considered woo on DU.

[Gore1FL]

32. I'm with Richard P. Feynman.

[Proud to be Woke]

34. UFOs are not new... just in the US alone sightings go back many years

Early European settlers who were paddling the Muddy River in what is now a suburb of Boston made a record of seeing an oddly shaped object in the sky with lights on it, and then found themselves a mile further along the river against the tide without any memory of having paddled that far. If this had happened this year instead of the 1600s, some folks would say they had experienced missing time following a UFO sighting. Back then there wasn't any UFO reference.

I have not seen a UFO but i don't judge those who have. And they are in the thousands.. pilots, prospectors, engineers, teachers, police officers, business owners, to name a few. In rural areas of British Columbia and the middle of Mexico City UFOs are seen. For some reason unknown, UFOs are particularly attracted to schools. Over 100 accounts exist of UFOs flying really low near schools and sometimes landing on school grounds in full view of anywhere from 10 to hundreds of staff and students. Then taking off again. A UFO literally tore up the pavement of a tennis court in a town in South Africa one night... the gate to the fence surrounding the court was locked when the police investigated and pieces of the asphalt were found scattered a half block away.... why a tennis court? Who knows? Then there is the famous Ariel School sighting in Zimbabwe that involved over 60 students. It is a strange world we live in.

I would like to make a point that seeing a UFO, especially at close range, is an experience that usually does the witnesses little good. Some become sick for a week (the Flatwoods, WV encounter). A rare few have suffered burns. Then there is the cost to their credibility for too many. They are victimized by the stigma many people still attach to UFO sightings. I find that to be against the spirit of any serious inquiry.

[sarcasmo]

38. Ufologists

[Arthur_Frain]

39. Like any 10 year old, in the early 70s I was mad fascinated by UFOs.

50 years later, with cameras in everybody’s phones that have image stabilization, 50 megapixel resolution, etc, we still get shitty, out of focus blurs that someone insists is a ufo, oh sorry, for some reason they’re not even ufos anymore, right?

In the infinity of space, with the distances between star systems, the best explanation I ever heard of this was on a Peter Mulvey album called “Letters From A Flying Machine”. Check out the track on that CD called “Vlad The Astrophysicist”. I’ve run across this explanation before, but this performance has the most class.

[Disaffected]

40. Methinks UFOs are (literally) real.

Extrapolating UFO sightings to the presence of space aliens is nonsense as there is no credible evidence for such beliefs.

Just more blurry blobs, anecdotal evidence, wishful thinking and spurious claims trotted out as usual by the true believers....

[Chainfire]

44. I agree, and there is some reasoning, right or wrong, behind my personal belief.

Let's assume that the "visitors" wish to remain anonymous as they certainly have not announced themselves to the public.

A civilization is advanced enough for interstellar if not intergalactic travel, but find in necessary to enter our atmosphere, in observable craft, to gather information? How does that make sense. If they existed, and did not want to be detected, they would not be detected. For a civilization to have advanced to long-distance travel, they would have also mastered the art of miniaturization. Why would a scouting craft be bigger than a golf ball or a marble or perhaps much smaller? Or why not hang out somewhere, out of our range and just watch television and listen to radio? Do you think that fruit flies realize that the are being observed in our labs?

I do not doubt that there are civilizations scattered all through the known universe. I do not doubt that some could be thousands or tens of thousands of years or more, advanced then us; but if we are being observed, it is not the "flying saucers" of myth and legend that are doing it. And, then there is the security issue; if any of the governments of our world knew that there were little green men visiting us, do you think that they could keep the secret for years? There would be someone who would risk the repercussions in order to gain the fame of releasing such a secret. If nothing else, a deathbed confession.

If our society warranted monitoring is would probably be because they would not want us to reach the point where we could export our aggression out of our own backyard. If a society advanced far enough for travel, that means that they would have put hate and fear behind them, otherwise, they would have destroyed themselves as we are likely to do.

Traditional belief in UFOs is similar to belief in gods. (although there may be more evidence for UFOs) I suspect that the believers in flying saucers are also, many times, the same folks who believe in the various gods. Some folks need to believe that there is someone, or something out there that is bigger, more powerful, smarter and kinder than ourselves that will somehow save us from ourselves.

[Demsrule86]

46. I don't think we see UFO's. Maybe they are new secret planes, spy balloons or who knows?

It always struck me that most see flying saucers...a Hollywood movie thing.

[Disaffected]

51. Depends on you definition of UFO.

Perhaps a better term is UAP (Unidentified Areal Phenomena) which refers to weird stuff some folks see in the sky that cannot be identified.

And sure, the flying saucers thing is a prime example - Hollywood influencing of the impressionable, gullible, pranksters, scammers, etc.
There is a pretty good correlation between release of an "alien visitors/UFO" movie and reported sightings, alien abductions and the like.

[Hekate]

48. A sleeper awakes. Welcome back.

[Prairie_Seagull]

50. Hell i want to believe but live by the Segan standard.

"Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence". It's one of those things, we will know it when we see it. I have not yet.