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Bev54

(10,045 posts)
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 02:43 PM Apr 2023

On MSNBC now Trump sues Cohen

Trump has launched a lawsuit against Michael Cohen for breach of contract and breaching client/attorney privilege. What an idiot, he is still lashing out, thinking it will help him. No client/attorney privilege in the advancement of a crime.

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On MSNBC now Trump sues Cohen (Original Post) Bev54 Apr 2023 OP
I'd love to see the Complaint. Tommy Carcetti Apr 2023 #1
. Effete Snob Apr 2023 #5
Thank you, I was just looking for it. Bev54 Apr 2023 #7
First sentence identifies the plaintiff as "President" Donald J Trump. Midnight Writer Apr 2023 #9
It's a title one keeps Effete Snob Apr 2023 #11
Also, isn't he going to have to say that what Cohen said is true? Cuthbert Allgood Apr 2023 #2
Could this be seen as witness intimidation? TheBlackAdder Apr 2023 #19
I had the same question. Trump repeatedly blanket denies scipan Apr 2023 #21
If I have it correct. NDAs are not valid when it involves a crime. LiberalFighter Apr 2023 #3
On reading it, sounds to me like all that Trump instructed Costello to say to the grand jury Bev54 Apr 2023 #14
A financial sanction likely wouldn't do anything. LiberalFighter Apr 2023 #15
Yes it would be best but I have learned to really temper my expectations. Bev54 Apr 2023 #16
I hope Cohen seeks sanctions against TFG's clown lawyers for filing this nonsense. RockRaven Apr 2023 #4
well, of course progressoid Apr 2023 #6
I wonder who is paying all of Trump's lawyers? gab13by13 Apr 2023 #8
I haven't read the brief nor have I got acquainted with all the claims Jarqui Apr 2023 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2023 #12
Here is a link to the lawsuit TFG filed against Cohen LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2023 #13
How is this not witness intimidation? spinbaby Apr 2023 #17
I am not sure it isn't. Will have to see how this plays out. Bev54 Apr 2023 #18
Micheal cohen can counter sue for harassment and frivolous lawsuit FlyingPiggy Apr 2023 #20
Witness intimidation and an attempt to discredit Cohen before he testifies Ocelot II Apr 2023 #22
The attorney representing Trump specializes in "franchise law, franchise litigation," etc LetMyPeopleVote Apr 2023 #23

Tommy Carcetti

(43,173 posts)
1. I'd love to see the Complaint.
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 02:45 PM
Apr 2023

Trump's lawsuits in the past have been comically awful from a legal standpoint, and they're always written by whatever Lawyer Du Jour they can pull off the street.

Midnight Writer

(21,745 posts)
9. First sentence identifies the plaintiff as "President" Donald J Trump.
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 03:00 PM
Apr 2023

That alone should be grounds for dismissal and sanction for wasting the Court's time.

Trump cannot afford to go through the discovery process, and he cannot enter a deposition because he cannot control his lying.

If this lawsuit is not immediately thrown out of court, Trump will withdraw it before the discovery phase.

 

Effete Snob

(8,387 posts)
11. It's a title one keeps
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 03:09 PM
Apr 2023

It's more likely to be tossed on jurisdiction, since it is really weak on that.

You have your work cut out for you on various "President Carter" threads here at DU:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/1017806712

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100217668387

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,916 posts)
2. Also, isn't he going to have to say that what Cohen said is true?
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 02:46 PM
Apr 2023

I mean, if it's all fiction that Cohen is saying, there's no breach.

scipan

(2,341 posts)
21. I had the same question. Trump repeatedly blanket denies
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 10:46 PM
Apr 2023

everything Cohen states, whether in his book or in court.

LiberalFighter

(50,877 posts)
3. If I have it correct. NDAs are not valid when it involves a crime.
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 02:46 PM
Apr 2023

Just like attorney privilege is out the window when it involves criminal activity.

Bev54

(10,045 posts)
14. On reading it, sounds to me like all that Trump instructed Costello to say to the grand jury
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 03:28 PM
Apr 2023

that the grand jury did not wish to listen to, has been put in this lawsuit. Trump is just so eager to get these grievances out and try to destroy Cohen as a witness in his upcoming trial, that I think this was the only way they could think of to do it. I hope he and his lawyers are sanctioned for frivolous lawsuits.

LiberalFighter

(50,877 posts)
15. A financial sanction likely wouldn't do anything.
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 03:50 PM
Apr 2023

So, would be best for Trump to spend a few days in jail.

Jarqui

(10,123 posts)
10. I haven't read the brief nor have I got acquainted with all the claims
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 03:09 PM
Apr 2023

One thing in contract law is pretty clear, (edit: as I now see mentioned in the top post), : "breach of contract and breaching of client/attorney privilege" goes out the window when the lawyer and client are doing something illegal as they were with Stormy. That part won't take long to resolve if the media got it accurate. We know bunches of it was illegal as Cohen got sentenced on 3 felonies related to it and had audio tape of describing what he was doing with Trump on that other end of the phone call and the checks made out to Cohen signed by Trump show Trump paid him to do it.

I'd also think Cohen would have a decent counter claim with Trump's mouth.

Cohen can probably do a bunch of the legal work pro se.

Response to Bev54 (Original post)

Ocelot II

(115,669 posts)
22. Witness intimidation and an attempt to discredit Cohen before he testifies
Wed Apr 12, 2023, 10:57 PM
Apr 2023

Last edited Wed Apr 12, 2023, 11:28 PM - Edit history (1)

in Bragg's trial (which won't be for a year, at least). It's mostly based on claims that Cohen violated a nondisclosure agreement, but when he was prosecuted by SDNY he had to tell them everything; at that point any NDA would be ineffective because all the facts about the hush money payment became public record. Also he claims he's entitled to damages because Cohen violated attorney's ethical rules - but those don't give a client a private right of action. There's no attorney-client privilege because of the crime-fraud exception. And why is this venued in FL? The venue can be only the district where a defendant resides (Cohen lives in NY); the district where a substantial part of the events giving rise to the claim occurred (also NY); or the district in which the defendant is subject to personal jurisdiction if there is no district in which the claim can otherwise be brought. TFG claims Cohen has sufficient contacts with FL to make venue there proper, but it sure seems to me the case should have been brought in SDNY and not FL (Aileen Cannon wouldn't get the case, though; it was filed in Miami. But why Miami? TFG lives in W Palm Beach).

This complaint is kind of nuts - it looks like the lawyer dug out his first-year law school contracts textbook and tried to turn the NDA, which became unenforceable on account of Cohen's compelled testimony to the feds, into a common-law contract case. I expect this to go about as far as the lawsuit against Hillary Clinton, et al. https://storage.courtlistener.com/recap/gov.uscourts.flsd.645291/gov.uscourts.flsd.645291.1.0_2.pdf

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