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(15,278 posts)
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 12:51 PM Mar 2023

Filling In the Blanks on Why Weisselberg Now Has New Counsel...(my words)


The Status Kuo: Has CFO Allen Weisselberg Finally Flipped on Trump?

'...Changing counsel in the middle of serving a short prison sentence also makes little sense, unless...something important has happened. So...what might have caused Weisselberg to want to retain his own lawyers... with no Trumpy strings attached?...One possibility...was that Bragg intended to hold back other possible charges, first giving Weisselberg a taste of what it’s like to be in Rikers, even for a short time...

Enter Letitia James, the New York Attorney General currently suing the Trump Organization for false financial statements on inflated property values. In one of her filings, she laid out a possible open-and-shut insurance fraud case against Weisselberg. He had claimed, falsely, that the value of the Trump Organization’s real estate holdings had been assessed by an independent appraiser, but that turned out to be a lie...If it’s easily provable that Weisselberg made those false representations...that means any new sentence could be far higher than a few months. A few years could effectively be a life sentence, especially at Weisselberg’s age.

But it is...quite possible...that Weisselberg has...flipped on Trump. If so, this could be what is causing all this shuffling and confusing signaling. A pending appearance by Weisselberg...would surely be enough reason for the DA’s office to postpone final presentation and take additional time to prepare for that testimony... Patience, along with a deep and satisfying breath, is in order...If in the end the story plays out like this, and Trump really does goes down like Al Capone for financial fraud because his CFO finally gives up the goods, all under very clever, incremental pressure from prosecutors, then we will owe the Manhattan DA a collective apology and some major props for playing the long game. He will have truly earned, shall we say, big bragg-ing rights.'

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Filling In the Blanks on Why Weisselberg Now Has New Counsel...(my words) (Original Post) Joinfortmill Mar 2023 OP
Daily Beast is reporting that EarlG Mar 2023 #1
Yeah, a change to a kinder prison venue (the new San Quentin) next up (when it's finished)... Backseat Driver Mar 2023 #4
DA Letitia James is currently going after the Chump Org. in civil court FakeNoose Mar 2023 #2
There seems to be a difference of opinion who fired the lawyers? gab13by13 Mar 2023 #3
This. Scrivener7 Mar 2023 #7
This is the way to get RICO charges on the whole lot... JT45242 Mar 2023 #5
👍 Joinfortmill Mar 2023 #6


(22,266 posts)
1. Daily Beast is reporting that
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 12:56 PM
Mar 2023

it was the Trump Org that fired the lawyer because he wasn't Trumpy enough -- not Weisselberg firing the lawyer so he could get non-Trump lawyers.

The Trump Organization has suddenly switched the attorney representing its jailed former chief financial officer, Allen Weisselberg, after some folks in Trumpworld expressed concerns he was too willing to play ball with the Manhattan District Attorney investigating former President Donald Trump, according to three sources familiar with the situation.


According to a source familiar with the dispute, Trump associates were bitter about Gravante’s decision to have Weisselberg meet with Manhattan prosecutors to prepare his testimony for that trial, a move they saw as being too friendly with law enforcement. This source added that Trump Organization lawyers were bothered by that arrangement and convinced Eric Trump—the Trump son who is now the executive vice president of the Trump Organization—to cut Weisselberg’s lawyer loose. The other two sources who confirmed Gravante’s departure from the case also said he was not viewed as a Trump ally.


Backseat Driver

(4,493 posts)
4. Yeah, a change to a kinder prison venue (the new San Quentin) next up (when it's finished)...
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 01:16 PM
Mar 2023

for more AW lies, things being so hard to recall so long ago - while MC runs his mouth about "all at the direction of Individual 1; just call me Al...last time I checked, weasels for Trump still enjoy a taste of rich duck heads soup, well stirred.


(33,995 posts)
2. DA Letitia James is currently going after the Chump Org. in civil court
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 01:01 PM
Mar 2023

... which means money damages only. But if something has changed and if she is pursuing criminal charges, it's a whole different ball game. Yes I think you're onto something. It explains why Weisselberg felt he needed a different lawyer.

It's encouraging news too. I read Michael Cohen's book awhile back, and he says that Weisselberg is the central figure in any case against the Chump Organization because he never did anything without Chump's approval or on his say-so.


(22,912 posts)
3. There seems to be a difference of opinion who fired the lawyers?
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 01:01 PM
Mar 2023

One source says it was Eric Trump, not Weisselberg. Gravante got a good deal for his client.

I looked up Gravante's history and he seems to me to be a pretty straight shooter, even represented Hunter Biden in 2006, he doesn't seem to have much of a political lean one way or the other.

Just my guess from looking at Gravante's history, I think Trump fired Gravante, that doesn't mean that Weisselberg hasn't flipped, it may mean the opposite.

I see EarlG cleared that up.


(2,517 posts)
5. This is the way to get RICO charges on the whole lot...
Thu Mar 30, 2023, 01:26 PM
Mar 2023

Posted this on other posts.

Both Weisselberg and his daughter are on the hook for pretty easy RICO indictments on all the fraud charges -- with literally dozens of properties for dozens of years given at least two if not three different valuations to three different entities (banks for loans, insurance companies, and tax agencies) Hundreds of crimes in a clear pattern over many years is an easy RICO case.

hopefully (I wish I could say likely) that they told him that unless he and his daughter both flip, neither of them will ever see a day outside of prison again and all the assets of the family will be seized as part of the RICO statutes so the grandkids will grow up poor.

That would explain the delay. They have financial crimes, wire fraud, and political finance crimes. If there are any bribes in there to make someone look away -- that would be easy to see. He may also sing about money laundering for the Russian oligarchs.

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