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Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 09:56 AM Mar 2023

White Christian men have committed almost every mass murder

in the history of the US.

What is Wrong with White Christian Men?

What do serial killers Ted Bundy, Jeffrey Dahmer, John Wayne Gacy, Earle Nelson, Henry Lee Lucas, Gary Ridgway, Dean Corll and Wayne Williams have in common? They are white Anglosaxon Christians. There are only two black serial killer: Samuel Little and John Allen (the "D.C. sniper" of 2001).

What do mass shooters Connor Betts (Dayton nightclub, Aug 2019), Patrick Crusius (El Paso Walmart, Aug 2019), DeWayne Craddock (Virginia Beach, May 2019), David Long (Thousand Oaks, Nov 2018), Robert Bowers (Pittsburgh synagogue, Oct 2018), Dimitrios Pagourtzis (Santa Fe High School, May 2018), Nikolas Cruz (Stoneman Douglas High School, Feb 2018), Devin Kelley (Sutherland Springs church, Nov 2017), Stephen Paddock (Las Vegas, Oct 2017), Adam Lanza (Sandy Hook, Dec 2012), James Holmes (Aurora theater, July 2012), Eric Harris and Dylan Klebold (Columbine High School, April 1999), George Hennard (Killeen, 1991), James Huberty (San Ysidro, 1984), Charles Whitman (Austin, 1966) and Patrick Sherill (Edmond, 1986) have in common? They are white Christian men. There is only one (one) mass shooting carried out by an Asian, Seung-Hui Cho (Virginia Tech, Apr 2007), and two (two) carried out by Muslims: Omar Mateen (Orlando nightclub, June 2016) and Syed Rizwan Farook and Tashfeen Malik (San Bernardino, Dec 2015). Not a single mass shooting by a black man (more than 9 people killed).

Mass shooters and serial killers are white Christian men, with rare exceptions, and frequently with Anglosaxon last names.
("Mass shooting" and "serial killer" here refers to more than 9 homicides. The higher the threshold you choose, the more likely that they are mostly white Christians with an Anglosaxon last name. The lower the threshold, the more likely that there are also other groups. Racists lower the threshold of "mass shooting" to two victims so that most killers are from poor violent neighborhoods, i.e. blacks; but most of us think that a "mass" shooting is not a shooting of two people; two is not a "mass".

These are routinely classified as cases of "mental illness" but why is it that this kind of mental illness seems to affect mainly white Christian men born in the USA? Note that articles on these mass shootings often omit the name of the shooter (they normally only mention the place and date), whereas any article on an Islamic terrorist attack would include the names of the attackers (to emphasize their religion and origin).


https://www.scaruffi.com/politics/massshoo.html

The overwhelming majority of mass murderers in the history of the US are also cis gender.

I did not say that every, white, christian, cis gender man is a mass murderer. I meant to say that almost every mass murder is committed by white, christian, cis gender men.


(Apologies to John Stuart Mill)

I live in a rural area heavily populated with RW extremists. The county is 93% white. The next highest of the population groups are Native Americans. The MAGAt king got 64% of the vote here.

For me, white guy with gun means run!
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White Christian men have committed almost every mass murder (Original Post) Roisin Ni Fiachra Mar 2023 OP
I doubt they were Christian. True Christians don't do this. jimfields33 Mar 2023 #1
What is that? atreides1 Mar 2023 #10
Most of those White Christian Nationalists know leftyladyfrommo Mar 2023 #14
They haven't killed anyone. jimfields33 Mar 2023 #19
I suspect True Christians are defined much the same as True Scotsmen. Lancero Mar 2023 #26
I agree, jim. True Christians don't do this. Roisin Ni Fiachra Mar 2023 #13
Do true xtians crusade? ret5hd Mar 2023 #16
Oh yay, the "No true Scotsman" fallacy! Coventina Mar 2023 #25
You'd be wrong Sympthsical Mar 2023 #2
Facts... RobinA Mar 2023 #5
+1 treestar Mar 2023 #17
Vermont is lily white, majority Christian, and very gun friendly Kaleva Mar 2023 #3
Excellent overview of the state with little to no gun issues jimfields33 Mar 2023 #21
645000 people in the whole state GenXer47 Mar 2023 #24
For all of the posts that don't care sarisataka Mar 2023 #4
"Identity isn't important" Sympthsical Mar 2023 #11
+1 leftstreet Mar 2023 #23
You would be wrong..... forthemiddle Mar 2023 #6
And never once have I, a white man, been expected to publicly condemn these swine Redleg Mar 2023 #7
That's not true Zeitghost Mar 2023 #8
If the shoe fits TheProle Mar 2023 #9
That's like saying that most Republicans are white, Christian, and male.....and you would be right. walkingman Mar 2023 #12
seems as if everytime a mass shooting occurs GusBob Mar 2023 #15
Even IF what you post is true Wednesdays Mar 2023 #18
The primary target of RW hate and legalized discrimination in the Roisin Ni Fiachra Mar 2023 #20
This is a good example sarisataka Mar 2023 #22
there is something to this GenXer47 Mar 2023 #27

atreides1

(16,174 posts)
10. What is that?
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 10:29 AM
Mar 2023

What defines a "True Christian"?

Robertson, Olsteen, and Hagee...all claim to be "True Christians"!



leftyladyfrommo

(18,917 posts)
14. Most of those White Christian Nationalists know
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 10:45 AM
Mar 2023

what a True Christian is and they know they aren't it. But there's big money in extremist religions right now so that's how they roll.

Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
13. I agree, jim. True Christians don't do this.
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 10:42 AM
Mar 2023

Unfortunately, I've met too few true Christians over the course of of my lifetime. Lovely folks. Very loving.

Not at all like the nuns who hit me and verbally abused me, and my classmates in the so called "Christian" school elementary school I was forced to attend. Not at all like the vicious Evangelical christo-fascists, whose primary core religious belief is hate for women and LGBT+.

Pseudo-christians have left a long, bloody trail behind them. Many of my ancestors fought against christian imperialists who tried to force their own special brand of "christianity", resulting in genocide.

I think the author is talking about all the shooter's cultural religious backgrounds, which is never mentioned unless they are born into, or adhere to other religions besides Christian or pseudo-christian religions, which are, unquestionably, the dominant religions in our culture. The fascists insist that the US is a "christian nation".

So you'll never see or hear something like, "the shooter was a white christian cis gender heterosexual male", in the news.

ret5hd

(20,745 posts)
16. Do true xtians crusade?
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 11:07 AM
Mar 2023

Do true xtians “Spanish inquisition”?

Do true xtians refuse to do safety checks on train cars?

Do true xtians molest children?

I can’t think of a single evil true xtians don’t do.

Sympthsical

(9,238 posts)
2. You'd be wrong
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 10:03 AM
Mar 2023

Far be it from me to question the erudite scholarship of, uh *checks* scaruffi.com (is that geocities?), and because I'm lazy, I'll just C&P my last post on this.

Identities of mass shooters.

Of the 172 individuals who engaged in public mass shootings covered in the database, 97.7% were male. Ages ranged from 11 to 70, with a mean age of 34.1. Those shooting were 52.3% White, 20.9% Black, 8.1% Latino, 6.4% Asian, 4.2% Middle Eastern, and 1.8% Native American.

https://nij.ojp.gov/topics/articles/public-mass-shootings-database-amasses-details-half-century-us-mass-shootings

That 95% guess is what happens when people only care about a shooter's identity when it's convenient for narrative purposes. Suffice to say, the Right is about to care a lot about this.

Maybe if everyone cared every time more would be done. But as long as every mass shooting is followed instantly by tribal football, it'll be the usual nothing changes.

Do better, people.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
17. +1
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 11:15 AM
Mar 2023

And according to percentage of the population, white men were slightly under their percentage, and the others slightly higher.

The media doesn't do statistics, and so allows it coverage to make things "seem" to be.

Kaleva

(36,602 posts)
3. Vermont is lily white, majority Christian, and very gun friendly
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 10:09 AM
Mar 2023

16 year olds can conceal carry a handgun there without a permit. But Vermont is not known for mass shootings or a high homicide rate.

 

GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
24. 645000 people in the whole state
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 12:16 PM
Mar 2023

And they've had really good weed floating around there for decades.

sarisataka

(19,526 posts)
4. For all of the posts that don't care
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 10:09 AM
Mar 2023

About the race, gender, identity, religion, etc of a shooter...

We are certainly concerned about the race, gender, identity, religion, etc of shooters...

As pointed out about, however, many "facts" don't hold up to scrutiny.

Sympthsical

(9,238 posts)
11. "Identity isn't important"
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 10:30 AM
Mar 2023

*reads nonstop (often wrong) commentary on identities of other shooters*

This is the problem with Mass Shooter Bingo and why I've always, always hated it. The people who commit these acts are too varied to say "This group is more likely to do it than any other." The only reliable statistically-based guess is it's probably a male, and even here we are with an anomaly on that one.

Confirmation bias is a hell of thing. That's obvious. But I also hate the kind of carnival atmosphere that surrounds the stuff. A shooting occurs, and the excitement is palpable to see if it's a member of the hated tribe. If it is, "told you so's" for days. If it's not, we get the (frequently wrong) commentary we've been seeing, "Most shooters are whoever I don't like!" before it all gets memory-holed until the next one. Just pretend you didn't just spend all day talking nonsense and using children's deaths as a quick opportunity to denigrate a hated political demographic.

It's so gross. But, tribalism. Whatkinyado.

The only reliable thing I can say whenever there's a mass shooting - there are too many guns in this country and too much easy access to them by people who have no business owning them.

leftstreet

(36,128 posts)
23. +1
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 11:42 AM
Mar 2023

And add to that, there's a toxic cultural taboo against family, friends, coworkers and neighbors coming forward BEFORE an incident. How many times, after the bodies are counted, do we hear "Oh I always knew so-and-so was nutz. Oh, he massed billions of guns. Oh, he was in and out of trouble..."

There's no focus on lifting the taboo, or holding people accountable when they close their eyes instead.

forthemiddle

(1,392 posts)
6. You would be wrong.....
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 10:12 AM
Mar 2023

Someone posted a link yesterday with statistics. Here is another article that has the numbers.
While men did commit most of the mass shooters were men (97%) Whites committed only 52% of the mass shootings (with no mention of sexuality).
When it comes to school shooting, the white shooters jump up to 61%.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/covenant-school-shooter-raises-concerns-about-mass-shooter-profile/ar-AA1996He

Redleg

(5,876 posts)
7. And never once have I, a white man, been expected to publicly condemn these swine
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 10:15 AM
Mar 2023

It didn't work the same way for Muslim and Arabic Americans after 9-11.

Zeitghost

(3,975 posts)
8. That's not true
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 10:27 AM
Mar 2023

And I'm beginning to think that the pattern for blaming white men for all mass shootings when the facts simply do not reflect that claim is due to more than some people being misinformed.

TheProle

(2,279 posts)
9. If the shoe fits
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 10:28 AM
Mar 2023

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GusBob

(7,296 posts)
15. seems as if everytime a mass shooting occurs
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 10:49 AM
Mar 2023

Folks come out of the woodwork with their personal agenda

Shit we got a DUer blaming the parents (aka the victims) for not sending their kids to school in other countries.

Seems as if the facts as reported above dont match your narrative

I live in a rural red country as well everyone hunts, hikes in bear country, traps and etc. If I ran everytime I saw someone with a gun, I'd be very tired

Wednesdays

(17,798 posts)
18. Even IF what you post is true
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 11:17 AM
Mar 2023

(And there are many replies here casting doubt on its truthfulness), what do we do with that information?



Roisin Ni Fiachra

(2,574 posts)
20. The primary target of RW hate and legalized discrimination in the
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 11:32 AM
Mar 2023

US appears to be the transgender community at this time.

Many expect this shooting to be used by the RW as evidence that transgender folk are a violent, dangerous threat to society.

Fear and concern for the transgender community led me post this.

First they came for the transfolk, and I did nothing...

sarisataka

(19,526 posts)
22. This is a good example
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 11:41 AM
Mar 2023

Of twisting statistics to obtain a desired result.

Mass shootings are usually defined as 4 injured (though some will say three) to get the number of shootings high.

Yet here they want to obtain a result to single out a group so the definition is mass shooting = minimum of 9 killed.

If we apply that definition 2023 we have not had 130 +/- mass shootings; we have had one. And the shooter was Asian.

ETA> and they are wrong. Washington Navy Yard shooting, September 16, 2013, 12 dead. (I don't like to give murderers publicity so will not name him)

 

GenXer47

(1,204 posts)
27. there is something to this
Tue Mar 28, 2023, 12:25 PM
Mar 2023

Let's not forget that a completely objective person who is totally ignorant of Christianity would walk into a church and wonder why the hell they have a dead body hanging at the front of this beautiful building.
Christianity is a death cult, no?
Human sacrifice has been a feature of world religions since the development of agriculture. Christianity just sort of memorialized it. But perhaps Christians are more comfortable with death.
My H.S. girlfriend belonged to a very Catholic family and one day I was shocked to find, in the house, a memorial to a miscarriage her mother had many years prior.
Who does this?

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