Cars/trucks I would never, ever buy

[Eddie18]

1. Anything GM. I had to once rent a GM at an airport and the embarrassment was killing me. One guy asks me at a store how I like my Malibu. I had to explain it's not mine, but a rental. He walked away, probably to his Cadillac or Buick. Probably owned a Vega in the '70s. Not a Pinto guy.
2. Toyota. Just don't like them. Cheap metal and not even close to Nissan. If you want a Corolla, please go see a doctor first and get some meds. Let's Go Places? As far away from any Toyota dealer is my response. I went to high school in Japan and never thought their products were worth 100 yen.
3. Lincoln. I'm not 80 years old, yet. and don't drive a limo. Who buys this crap?
4. Charger or Challenger. Please stop selling muscle cars to us. Starsky and Hutch was horrible, almost at bad as the Dukes of Hazard.
5. VW bus now. No former Hippie would be caught dead in one of these. I'm not sure what VW product I would own today, especially since the EOS is gone and the Passat is overpriced.
6. Honda. Great mowers or generators but shit cars in my view. A starter for a college coed grad who majored in History and is now working at Burger King.
7. KIA. It means Killed in Action in the Army. It's also MIA at my house.
8. SAAB or Yugo. Well, don't worry as they are basically done.
9. Jeep Compass. This is not a Wrangler but another example of a college grad going on a budget and trying to look cool. It's not cool, it's chilly and the last time I looked, chilly ain't cool.
10. Subaru Forrester. Great for two friends going to ski and a dog is in the back. But it's not an Outback, mate. Most popular car in Boulder, Colo., for years. Folks in Iowa rural areas never see one because they buy American. OK, keep farming and leave cars to us.

[Enter stage left]

1. Wow, thanks for the advice...

I just saw an ad for a 71 Pinto with slight rust problems, and a leaky gas tank. Maybe you'd be interested in that?

[jalan48]

4. ....

[ProfessorGAC]

56. If It Was Like My '73...

...it also might have Firestone 500 tires!

[Meowmee]

81. 😹

[chicoescuela]

2. Jeez I own two Chevys. One with 415k miles and the other with 330k miles. Both still run strong.

I will buy another if I need to.

[hamsterjill]

42. Yep. I'm from an "all GM" family

We’ve never had any issues with GM products. We do maintain the vehicles and do what is reasonable and necessary to keep them in good shape.

[JCMach1]

71. Exactly. My 1990 Buick Century I think eventually had to be taken behind a barn and shot

I sold it with 350K miles and was still going strong for years after I sold it. I would see it around town.

[chicoescuela]

76. Makes one proud

[Lancero]

78. I'm seriously considering doing that with my lesabre.

Damn thing turned into a animal magnet. Engine doesn't care one bit, everything else... Well hey, look at how good that engine runs.

[multigraincracker]

3. Depends on what day

of the week they were built.

[hardluck]

5. I'll stick to my Land Cruisers, thanks

[Zeitghost]

8. Those are great vehicles

I was looking at them seriously when I bought my Jeep, but the only ones in my price range had a lot of miles (although they do last forever) and for my intended use, the upgrades were too expensive (suspension, steering, etc.). I would still love to have one someday, but Mrs. Zeitghost limits me to one hobby vehicle.

[hardluck]

74. Can't go wrong with a Jeep

I have two Land Cruisers - a 1994 FZJ80 and a 2013 200 series. The 80 is just a beast - last of the solid front axle Land Cruisers in the states. It has front and rear lockers, winch, ham radio, etc. and is our go to offroad vehicle.

The 200 series is much more a luxury vehicle and you're right, it would require some upgrades to get it where I would want it to be for some of the off-roading I do.

I'd love to import a 70 series Troopy at some point but I just can't justify the expense now. Some day though!

Which Jeep did you end up getting?

[Zeitghost]

75. Very cool

I've got an 2007 Rubicon Unlimited. I put in a full suspension upgrade, steering, RCV axles, winch, cb and ham radios. Looking to install a dual battery setup and a few other things to make me fully self sufficient. It's a bit overbuilt for my use but I know she'll get me home.

[jmowreader]

6. Starsky and Hutch drove Fords

But you're right - quit selling us muscle cars.

[EX500rider]

11. They don't sell people muscle cars

People buy muscle cars.

If nobody wanted them they wouldn't make them

[MarineCombatEngineer]

32. The muscle cars of today are much more fuel effecient and safer than the muscle cars

of days gone by.

[Hotler]

49. Like this?

Some Old Ford.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

50. Ah yes, the old Ford 427 side oiler engine.

That thing sounded like it has one hell of a cam in it, the way the engine lopes at idle is a dead giveaway.

Those old muscle cars didn't handle worth a crap, they never passed a gas station they didn't like and they were pollution machines, but there's nothing like the sound of those engines going down the road.

Alot of people are taking these old muscle cars and upgrading them with modern V8 engines and modern suspension but keeping the original style of the car, which is very cool and will turn a lot of heads as they go down the road.

[hamsterjill]

43. A Torino, right?

Just souped up with racing stripes.

[jmowreader]

52. It was

The story line was that it was Starsky’s own car. Hutch had an old shitbox Galaxie 500 they’d use sometimes.

[Zeitghost]

7. My argumentative side wants to pick your list apart

I love my civic hatch. With a few basic suspension mods it handles like a go cart and the 1.5 turbo is fun when spooled up and gets 40 mpg when you stay off the skinny pedal.


But I have my own list so who am I to argue?

My list: anything with an automatic transmission, especially a CVT.

[EX500rider]

12. I agree CVT designed by the devil. Nt

[mitch96]

15. and And AND only gets you 1 mpg better... I have had 2 cars with cvt.. No I don't like them

Got a Mazda with a real live 6 speed auto.. works fine....I was just wondering if this guy really owned or drove any of these cars and or is he just joking/trolling us??
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[Hekate]

80. Really comes across as trolling, doesn't he?

[NotASurfer]

9. Yugo? Where do you buy a Yugo? n/t

[Initech]

16. And Honda and Kia have both come a long way since the mid 90's.

I test drove a Kia K5 and almost bought it, I got a better deal with Subaru though.

[sarcasmo]

41. Yep, my Honda is quality. I noticed Tesla was not mentioned in the original post.

[EX500rider]

10. My 6-speed manual Outback agrees!

😁

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

13. " If you want a Corolla, please go see a doctor first and get some meds. "

i have a Corolla...super reliable. 13 years without any major problems.

[Wicked Blue]

60. We've owned Toyotas for decades. Extremely reliable

My brother worked at a Toyota parts counter when we were looking for a car. He told me to get a Corolla because they almost never saw one having repairs.

We got a Corolla and loved it. It ran for years, until I gave it to my brother and he totaled it.

Right now we own a 2005 Toyota Matrix with about 188K miles, a 2005 Corolla with 89K miles, and a 2013 Prius V with about 87K miles. Knock on wood, but no major problems so far.

When the kids were getting into their teens we made the mistake of buying a Dodge Caravan. The thing was pure garbage. We went through FIVE automatic transmissions on it. One time the trans quit in the middle of the Delaware Memorial Bridge while it was snowing.

[Mr.Bill]

14. Very happy with my third Nissan Sentra, a 2021.

I leased the first two, this one I bought. Completely trouble-free and over 40 mpg on the highway, 35 mpg average.

I did own one Corolla, an '02. A car where every pert was obviously made by the lowest bidder. I owned an '09 Camry which I put over 100K miles on. Pretty trouble free, but seven recalls, none of which had caused any failure on my car, but living 50 miles from the nearest dealer meant a lot of trips that were inconvenient just to have things checked.

Worst new car I ever owned was a '95 Jeep Cherokee. Many mechanical failures during the 80K miles I owned it. My first and last Chrysler product.

[Initech]

17. I had two Altimas, both great cars.

I almost got a third but decided to get something different this time. I'm really interested in the Nissan Airiya. That car looks like one of the better EVs on the road!

[Initech]

18. Does all of your information about cars come from the mid 90s?

[BlackSkimmer]

33. Seems so, lol.

I had to giggle about the Subaru. First time I saw one was in Iowa.

I own an Outback now (bought in NC), and it's a great car. Fantastic in the snow or mud.

[Initech]

44. I have a 2020 Legacy. It's been a great car so far.

Had a couple of problems in the beginning (mainly with navigation system related stuff) but now that I got those ironed out it’s been smooth sailing so far.

[flvegan]

19. Ooooh, I love a car snob* thread.

Interesting list. I respect any enthusiast's opinion when it comes to cars, so I'm not going to pick apart your list. Your list is your list, your reasons are your reasons. I'm more curious about what you would/did buy.

The only thing I'll disagree with you here is, "Please stop selling muscle cars" No. Please don't. And I'm loving watching the evolution of "no replacement for displacement" from ICE to hybrid/electric, even if they don't sound like a Hellcat.

*not an insult, fellow car snob here

[Eddie18]

39. Cars I owned

Olds Cutlass ... power steering went out 35 miles off dealer lot

3 VW Beetles

Infinity

Several BMWs ... currently have a 2021 430i convertible

2022 Jeep Wrangler 4XE ... PHEV

Mercedes ... several

1965 Studebaker Cruiser with column shift

K car, Plymouth Reliant

Toyota Tercel ... junk

The list goes on incl. several pickups

[Arthur_Frain]

61. Was gonna ask this.

I had a 1990 Jeep Wrangler.

It was, at the same time, the funnest, and mechanically, the worst vehicle I have ever owned.

Figured you had a jeep in ther somewhere after dissing the Liberty. Which is what I do.

[madinmaryland]

20. Welcome to DU!! BTW what would be some of the cars/trucks would you buy?

[bif]

21. We ought my In-Laws Lincoln mKZ Hybrid

One of the best cars I've ever owned.

[Celerity]

22. I think your ChatGPT is glitching, lol. Your info seems very much out of date on many fronts.

Just two examples:

Saab Automobile has been defunct for ages.

The last cars they made (Saab 9-5, Saab 9-4X) were around 11 and a half, 12 years ago, other than a small, small number of EVs (Chinese made, Saab branded, known as as NEVS) in 2013/14

Yugo last made a car in 2008.

Saab 9-5 (last made in early 2011 as a 2012 model)






Saab 9-4X (last made in late 2011 as a 2012 model)

[BlackSkimmer]

29. Interesting.

I found the list a bit off, but it seemed to me that it was one of those things you see on FB every now and then.

[NowISeetheLight]

31. Still see them

I still see Saab on the road occasionally. I always wonder where they get parts when they break.

[maxsolomon]

65. You'd be surprised how much is still available.

I had, maybe 15 years ago, a 1973 BMW Bavaria (look it up, precursor to the 5 Series) as my daily driver. The windshield cracked, and I found a replacement within a week.

[Lancero]

77. Why would parts be difficult to obtain? It's a GM car, on a shared platform with many other cars.

[NowISeetheLight]

85. Saturn

I knew someone with a Saturn a few years ago around 2018. Despite being GM he was having trouble getting some repairs done timely. I had an ‘04 Saleen Mustang I sold in 2020 after having to stop working. It was a show car and was stored in my garage. Mice or something got into it and chewed up some wires relating to the fuel system. The Ford dealer had to basically jury-rig something because the part wasn’t available anywhere.

[LudwigPastorius]

23. Oooh...

Do restaurants you would never eat at next!

[EarthFirst]

24. lol

[Chakaconcarne]

37. Or pointless threads the OP would never start...

[Eddie18]

40. Eateries that are gross

IHOP

Waffle House

Cracker Barrel

Dennys

Carl's

Outback

I could go on ...

[newdayneeded]

55. First you rip on my cars,

Now Cracker Barrel!!1!1!11!

I'm afraid to tell you what kind of boat I own.

[Eddie18]

68. Boat you own?

I've owned two Sea Rays and a Ranger Tug R27. treaded water in Florida and Puget Sound.

[Meowmee]

82. 😹😹

[BumRushDaShow]

25. Dodge "Charger or Challenger" are not a Ford Gran Torino

(my godmother, who would have been in her 90s now, actually had that limited edition Gran Torino with the stripe )

[Wounded Bear]

26. I take it you like public transport, or walking...

[sanatanadharma]

27. This is not a 'thinking (wo)man's' list ...

... The list does not include the Chrysler PT Cruiser.

[Initech]

45. I think the PT Cruiser and Toyota Yaris are two of the worst cars I've ever driven.

Both were rentals, naturally. The PT Cruiser drove like a shopping cart with a barely functioning motor attached to it.

[retread]

28. You composed this list while cruising in your "self-driving" Tesla?

[panader0]

30. I have a 1990 GMC 3/4 ton pickup, 4 speed manual and a 350hp motor.

It's runs great and can haul whatever you want. Poor mileage however.
Also a 1995 Buick Century. It too runs great and is a real zoomer. 25 mpg.

[Chakaconcarne]

34. Weird how you can easily get 500K+ miles out of one of those 100 yen toyotas....

and they keep their value...compared to a nissan? (Guess I should have gone to high school in Japan?)

Same goes for Hondas...

Not sure what your expertise on cars is, but I'm not seeing any solid justifications/explanations for your dislikes.

That is my opinion.

We know what you won't buy; what would you buy?

[JCMach1]

70. Anti Toyota due to their business practices... See my post below.

[MarineCombatEngineer]

35. So you start a thread about vehicles you would never buy?

To what purpose did you start this thread?

Why tell us what vehicles you don't like?

[Eddie18]

46. Purpose

Just to take a break from politics, which I love.

Just having fun as winter hangs on and want to get outside more.

Enjoy the ride

[MarineCombatEngineer]

47. That's fair.

Have a great day.

[jcgoldie]

36. wut?

[Mosby]

38. What a weird OP.

[Peacetrain]

48. I have no idea what you are talking about..but I have had my Prius for over 12 years and love it

[BannonsLiver]

51. What an odd, uninformed post.

[WarGamer]

53. In 2001 I bought a near new 2000 Ford Focus

Had maybe 18k on the clock...

It was a third car in the house, better mpg than my car and planned to make it my sons car in a few years.

So it's a decent car and a few years later, BOOM one day driving a huge cloud appears and the engine explodes at 80k miles.

So I break down the engine and take a look. Pop the head off and one piston was literally missing. A remnant of a con-rod in th ehole and that's it... oh and a hole in the block.

Eventually found out that that engine had a bad reputation for dropping valve seals on top of pistons.

It was never recalled. Ford never owned up to the failures. It was out of warranty...

And I couldn't even put a new engine in it because so many of those died... the replacement engines were hard to find and $$$

Any car built after maybe... 1990 should last 100k miles at a minimum.

I had a 93 Civic that went 200k

I still have a 12 Prius with 270k

Was tempted to shop the new Ford Bronco but sure enough, the first year produced lemons with engine issues and hard top problems.

Junk... just junk. I'll pass on the Blue Oval.




If I had to take a new car or truck off the dealer lot and 100% HAD TO arrive in Miami Florida in a week... no breakdowns, no issues...

There's nothing better than a 3rd Generation Toyota Tacoma with the 2.7 I4 and 6AT trans.

[Scrivener7]

54. That's nice, dear.

[Silent3]

57. At least this thread didn't ask the question, "What color is your Bugatti?" n/t

[Arthur_Frain]

58. Nice gatekeeping. I'll keep my Toyota Tacoma thank you.

At 240,000 miles it’s the most economical truck I could ever own. (My) money well spent.

Oh and I’d like a Forrester too instead of an Outback. Quieter ride don’t cha know?

Seriously, that’s kind of a hostile OP you’ve got there, somebody piss in your cornflakes this morning ?

[Skittles]

59. OK Eddie, I have to say

this really comes off as somewhat.....well, snobbish, ya know? OK, not somewhat. COMPLETELY.

[newdayneeded]

62. Eddie,

I just got done eating a sub from subway. Could you give all of us a top 8 list of subs you hate from there?

[Eddie18]

63. OK, calm down

The cars thread was meant to be fun and invoke conversation, not defensive posturing. For your delectation, I like a lot of cars and trucks, just not some. Doesn't mean they don't work for you, of course. If you want to live in a Red State and own a Chevy, go for it. If you live in a Blue state and own a Volvo, I would argue you're on a winning streak. If you live in the United States, you are free to share your opinion unless you live in Florida, which is similar to Jonestown. Thanks for all the comments, and, lighten up, folks.

[milestogo]

64. Don't buy a Subaru Forrester because its not a Subaru Outback?

You're smoking some crazy shit.

[littleredhen]

66. Is this a chat gpt post?

I ask because it seems extremely odd. Almost like one of those click bait articles.

That said though, we own 2 Foresters. We chose them because of the leg room compared to the Outback. I haul more people than packages. Either would be great for 2 people and a dog..

[maxsolomon]

67. Welcome to DU, Consumer Reports Chatbot

Honda and Toyota are extremely reliable, but staid.

You forgot to bag on Mini. I have one; they deserve it.

[JCMach1]

69. My Lincoln, Volt and Caddy are all awesome... Toyota is ON THE LIST

Held on to the money for our totaled vehicle for almost a year. We also received a settlement from Toyota for discriminatory loan practices. So yeah, f&$k Toyota.

[ecstatic]

72. About 10-15 years ago, a tow truck driver told me that KIA was

the most solid and reliable car on the market. He said their warranty was amazing and he rarely if ever tows them. Like I said, that was quite a while ago so I don't know if that's still the case. I will say that KIA really had an amazing turn around since when they debuted (I think in the late 90s?).

Charger or Challenger - Sexy but old news. Also, there are too many on the road and the cops around here will pull you over at least once every few months.

Toyota - Boring and way too many of them in my neck of the woods. I like to be somewhat unique.

Regarding Lincolns, I've always associated it with my grandparents, but lately the MKX is looking pretty good. I'm just afraid to take the plunge at this point. I've never had an American car and I've heard horrible things about how Ford nickels and dimes owners.

Jeeps are nice looking but I'm completely overwhelmed by all the models and trims. Too many options, too confusing.

Subarus / SAAB - boring and ugly.

VW and Volvo - Starting to have nice looking SUVs over the past 5 years. It would really be unique around here but I just haven't looked into it and I still have a lot of stereotypes in my mind about Volvo owners. I've never met a volvo owner IRL.

Personally I've been leasing Acuras (Hondas) for the past 10+ years and it's been OK so far. Of course, you never really know what will happen once you pass the 3 year mark. lol

[hatrack]

73. Toyota Recalls 1993 Camry Since Owners Really Should Have Moved On By Now

TOKYO—Saying it was simply time for drivers to move on, Toyota Motor Corp. issued a recall of its entire 1993 Camry model line Wednesday due to the fact that its owners really should have bought something new by now. “We understand that the 1993 Camry was tremendously dependable, but, honestly, there’s just no excuse for driving a 22-year-old car at this point,” said Toyota spokesman Haruki Kinoshita, adding that, with all the advances in automotive technology that have taken place, no one really had any business driving a vehicle for more than two decades. “We’re not saying you have to buy a new 2015 Camry or splurge on a flashy new hybrid, or even that your new car has to be a Toyota at all. But the bottom line is that you need to start fresh, however you choose to do so.” While Toyota is reportedly confining its recall to the 1993 Camry, it also issued a warning to owners of 1994 to 1998 models alerting them to the fact that they were really starting to push it.

https://www.theonion.com/toyota-recalls-1993-camry-due-to-fact-that-owners-reall-1819577805

[moonscape]

83. This is particularly hilarious because

it was just a year before this piece, in 2014, that I sold my 1989 single-owner Camry LE for 1k and bought a new Mercedes. Well, not new, but broken in with 7k miles on odometer. I swear, if the Camry hadn’t started a slide into money-pit territory I’d probably still be driving it. 25 years is a helluva ride.

[Hekate]

79. So you walk everywhere in your organic sandals, warm in the glow of your righteousness?

I do my shopping in Consumer Reports, and my check list is reliability, mileage, durability, safety, and cost, not necessarily in that order.

We had a Toyota Tercel that lasted 24 years. I bought it when I was a single mom with two toddlers, and took money from my savings to pay cash for it. The Nissan Sentra actually felt more comfortable, but the dealer lied to me about the new paint inside the trunk, so while he was “talking to his manager,” I walked. That Tercel hatchback was great.

My husband and I got a Toyota Camry wagon that is still in our driveway at age 30. He took over the Tercel when we got the Camry. The Camry does look its age now, but hubby recently spent $400 to get everything tuned up right, and it will still be good for the minimal driving he now does around town. I drove it for 15 years and loved how it worked. I very much wanted to replace it with the exact same thing, but they don’t make them anymore.

Our “new” car is going on 16 and is a Honda Accord. I don’t love it as much as I loved the Camry, as it’s a sedan. Turns out I really like hatchbacks and wagons because you can carry anything you want in the back. However, at my age, this is likely my last car. I fully expect it has another 10 or 15 years in it.

Reliability, mileage, durability, safety, and cost. From the first car I bought used to the present, it’s been Toyotas or Hondas, and they have served me well, bought new and paid for up front.

I don’t know what kind of rarified transportation you want, because nothing seems to please you. At least your organic sandals will have a small carbon footprint.

[canetoad]

84. Shouldn't this

Be parked in one of the recreation groups?