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babylonsister

(171,214 posts)
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 08:41 AM Feb 2023

Nearly 200 New York Times Contributors Are Denouncing the Paper's Anti-Trans Coverage

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2023/02/new-york-times-trans-coverage


Nearly 200 New York Times Contributors Are Denouncing the Paper’s Anti-Trans Coverage
The letter, also backed by several celebrities, notes that the paper’s coverage has been cited by state Republicans attempting to “justify criminalizing gender-affirming care.”
By Charlotte Klein
February 15, 2023


More than 170 past and present New York Times contributors signed an open letter on Wednesday calling out the paper’s coverage of transgender, non-binary, and gender nonconforming people. The missive points to “what one journalist has calculated as over 15,000 words of front⁠-⁠page Times coverage debating the propriety of medical care for trans children published in the last eight months alone,” as well as “reporting on trans children that omits relevant information about its sources.”
Among the prominent journalists and writers who signed the letter are Roxane Gay, Rebecca Solnit, Ed Yong, and Lucy Sante. Several current Times staffers are also signatories, as are actress Cynthia Nixon and writer-director Lena Dunham.

Despite the paper’s editorial guidelines requiring that reporters “preserve a professional detachment, free of any whiff of bias,” the Times has, according to the letter, “treated gender diversity with an eerily familiar mix of pseudoscience and euphemistic, charged language.” The letter, addressed to standards editor Philip Corbett, criticizes terminology and sourcing used in a number of pieces—from magazine stories to features to Opinion columns. Emily Bazelon’s “The Battle Over Gender Therapy" is specifically cited as having “quoted multiple expert sources who have since expressed regret over their work’s misrepresentation.”

“The very news stories criticized in their letter reported deeply and empathetically on issues of care and well-being for trans teens and adults,” a spokesperson for the Times said in a statement. "Our journalism strives to explore, interrogate and reflect the experiences, ideas and debates in society—to help readers understand them. Our reporting did exactly that and we’re proud of it."


Bazelon’s piece is among the Times articles that have made their way into Republican-led state legislatures attempting “to justify criminalizing gender-affirming care,” the letter states. “The natural destination of poor editorial judgment is the court of law.” South Dakota on Monday became the second state, after Utah, to ban gender-affirming care for trans youth this year. Meanwhile, more than two dozen bills attempting to restrict transgender health care access were introduced at the start of 2023 state legislative sessions, according to the Associated Press. Critic and writer Jo Livingstone, who helped organized the letter, told Hell Gate that it was “willfully ignorant" to “suggest that there is no relationship between the way that we are using language at the newspaper to discuss people's lives.” They added, “This is not quite business as usual anymore."
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Nearly 200 New York Times Contributors Are Denouncing the Paper's Anti-Trans Coverage (Original Post) babylonsister Feb 2023 OP
K&R...... Lovie777 Feb 2023 #1
At the doctor, just read this, will cancel NYT subscription when I get home. NoMoreRepugs Feb 2023 #2
Good. Duppers Feb 2023 #13
subscribe to both - no - just the Post as of now. NoMoreRepugs Feb 2023 #15
I would never subscribe to the NYT. yardwork Feb 2023 #3
"Traitors"? brooklynite Feb 2023 #8
When you accuse someone of hyperbole you might want to spell it correctly. yardwork Feb 2023 #11
TREASON (noun) brooklynite Feb 2023 #12
I take it from your passionate defense of the NYT in the thread BannonsLiver Feb 2023 #17
Not my paper. Joinfortmill Feb 2023 #4
45 year subscription brooklynite Feb 2023 #14
45 years?! BannonsLiver Feb 2023 #16
No, I get one of the best news covering organizations providing a paper every day. brooklynite Feb 2023 #19
Whoa. Not even a fucking tote bag? BannonsLiver Feb 2023 #20
Wish I could. I'm poor. scipan Feb 2023 #28
Good for them! Evolve Dammit Feb 2023 #5
I read the NYT daily.... reACTIONary Feb 2023 #6
Did you bother to read the whole letter? Bobstandard Feb 2023 #10
Yep, I did, and... reACTIONary Feb 2023 #21
One side wants trans persons to live their lives, the other wants them to die in horrible ways gratuitous Feb 2023 #22
I don't think we can, nor should we expect... reACTIONary Feb 2023 #25
They can be advocates of reality based on facts, there's no "middle" ground to that. Arguing ... uponit7771 Feb 2023 #26
I've been following the NYT's reporting on this issue... reACTIONary Feb 2023 #27
I would like them to report on the experience of teen trans people. scipan Feb 2023 #29
They do. Why do you think they don't? nt reACTIONary Feb 2023 #31
Oh, not at all gratuitous Feb 2023 #30
I read the NYTs every day. The go far beyond... reACTIONary Feb 2023 #32
Speak of the Devil... Act_of_Reparation Feb 2023 #7
In a democracy rational public debate is essential. markodochartaigh Feb 2023 #9
Not related, but no news entity will do more to normalize DeSantis than the NYT in 2024 BannonsLiver Feb 2023 #18
The reason is right in this article: maxsolomon Feb 2023 #24
For the most part, the NYT coverage is just that: COVERAGE of the issue maxsolomon Feb 2023 #23

Duppers

(28,157 posts)
13. Good.
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 11:31 AM
Feb 2023

Subscribe to the Washington Post instead.

We discovered yrs ago that the Times is full of wingers who help elect Repub rats.

yardwork

(62,053 posts)
11. When you accuse someone of hyperbole you might want to spell it correctly.
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 11:24 AM
Feb 2023

The NYT published articles written by a traitor to the U.S. to support the invasion of Iraq under false pretenses in 2003. This is clear evidence of treason in my mind, and it's not the only instance.

In 2020, days before the presidential election, the NYT published front pages filled with false innuendo about one of the presidential candidates, deliberately attempting to influence the outcome of the election. They were successful.

I could go on.

brooklynite

(95,643 posts)
12. TREASON (noun)
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 11:27 AM
Feb 2023

"the offense of attempting by overt acts to overthrow the government of the state to which the offender owes allegiance"

Another word which gets thrown around flippantly.

BannonsLiver

(16,694 posts)
17. I take it from your passionate defense of the NYT in the thread
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 02:22 PM
Feb 2023

You support the tone of their trans coverage, is that correct?

BannonsLiver

(16,694 posts)
16. 45 years?!
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 02:21 PM
Feb 2023

That’s amazing. Say, do you get a paperweight for that milestone, like with Delta? Or maybe an exclusive lunch with Jason Blair or Judith Miller? Coffee with Maggie Haberman?

brooklynite

(95,643 posts)
19. No, I get one of the best news covering organizations providing a paper every day.
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 02:24 PM
Feb 2023

Always amazing how many people demand a way around the paywall when the Times breaks a story about, say Trump's taxes or the Jan 6 insurrection.

scipan

(2,401 posts)
28. Wish I could. I'm poor.
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 10:00 PM
Feb 2023

I'm one of those who don't demand, but are grateful, of a way to get around the paywall.

I often wonder if the only people who are at least middle class will be the only people who are informed, in the future.

That would be horrible.

reACTIONary

(5,824 posts)
6. I read the NYT daily....
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 10:21 AM
Feb 2023

... including their reporting on transgender issues and the bias and discrimination that transgender individuals are subject to.

“The very news stories criticized in their letter reported deeply and empathetically on issues of care and well-being for trans teens and adults,” a spokesperson for the Times said in a statement. "Our journalism strives to explore, interrogate and reflect the experiences, ideas and debates in society—to help readers understand them. Our reporting did exactly that and we’re proud of it."


I have to agree with the NYTs. Some folks, I guess around 200 or so, would like to stick their head in the sand and ignore what is actually going on in the world.

Bobstandard

(1,364 posts)
10. Did you bother to read the whole letter?
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 11:16 AM
Feb 2023

Did you bother to read the whole letter? You quote at length part of a statement from the Times. You could have quoted from the letter to show that the Times’ statement didn’t address the problems with Times reporting it addresses. The letter makes a pretty strong case. The Times rebuttal does not.

reACTIONary

(5,824 posts)
21. Yep, I did, and...
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 04:26 PM
Feb 2023

... I was not impressed. They seem to be very upset that views on a controversial topic other than their own are being reported on. As the NYT points out, that isn't the way the news works.

I went on to look up the article that used the term "patient zero". It seemed to be appropriate, or at least benign, in context. The patient himself called himself a "guinea pig".

“Of course, I wanted that,” F.G. said of puberty suppressants, in an interview in “The Dutch Approach,” a 2020 book about the Amsterdam clinic by the historian Alex Bakker. “Later I realized that I had been the first, the guinea pig. But I didn’t care.”


Rather than trying to suppress the debate, they should focus on winning it.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/15/magazine/gender-therapy.html?unlocked_article_code=EIChUrxLzpc0TPpjGZyLSZEQkweYpIvwFMjWxhY4zaP8OhmuPLWMuU_6G4dJFuc5xCvHXfJe0x5X7pQzvk0F2JKNoGftO6Y4WFkHkXC_4xQwEneNx97bcKScSnLkVXLZ3_EnLX_dpffdI7sv5PpYAAbGur22QWV9GHwDE5GlNDAyhROg5b5ya1NdUuOhgyKDi2x5LXw0GnyYuH0pa632Lb6BAFNMvpg7TlS4yU-q08ahYCOr1W_lvfStUl2vdKqdrHrlNR2b93TUfGAvkudaafb-wwcQpqYjMn6XIDaUB6yleXZxPmtu08xGQ0RihhBOxNYJgcC7Mio-&smid=url-share

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
22. One side wants trans persons to live their lives, the other wants them to die in horrible ways
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 04:34 PM
Feb 2023

Thank goodness the Times is here to act as referee for finding some middle ground between such "extreme" views.

reACTIONary

(5,824 posts)
25. I don't think we can, nor should we expect...
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 09:07 PM
Feb 2023

.... news organizations to be advocates for our ideology or preferred outcomes.

Journalism strives to explore, interrogate and reflect the experiences, ideas and debates in society—to help readers understand them. Advocacy is up to us, not them.

uponit7771

(90,440 posts)
26. They can be advocates of reality based on facts, there's no "middle" ground to that. Arguing ...
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 09:27 PM
Feb 2023

... whether its raining outside vs panning the camera towards a window isn't being a "news organization" that's stenography or something close

scipan

(2,401 posts)
29. I would like them to report on the experience of teen trans people.
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 10:05 PM
Feb 2023

As malaise would say, that is all.

(Puberty can be traumatic for someone who feels like they are in the wrong body.)

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
30. Oh, not at all
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 11:16 PM
Feb 2023

I mean, why should transgender people expect to live their lives in peace, and it's not the Times' job to make that case for them. Basic humanity and respect is just too much to expect from the self-styled Newspaper of Record. And if they just *oopsie* forget to tell their audience quite everything about a guest columnist, well, that's not on the Times.

Now, a chicken farmer from outside Munich will give us his views on the developing government programs in 1930s Germany. Take it away, Heinrich.

reACTIONary

(5,824 posts)
32. I read the NYTs every day. The go far beyond...
Fri Feb 17, 2023, 01:49 PM
Feb 2023

...basic humanity and respect. There is nothing wrong with their reporting on this issue.

markodochartaigh

(1,284 posts)
9. In a democracy rational public debate is essential.
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 11:06 AM
Feb 2023

But the debate should be how to help groups in society, not whether the groups should be allowed to exist.

maxsolomon

(33,626 posts)
24. The reason is right in this article:
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 05:51 PM
Feb 2023
...editorial guidelines requiring that reporters “preserve a professional detachment, free of any whiff of bias”


That's a feature Repukes have used to their advantage. Reportage is not editorializing.

maxsolomon

(33,626 posts)
23. For the most part, the NYT coverage is just that: COVERAGE of the issue
Thu Feb 16, 2023, 05:46 PM
Feb 2023

They're not editorializing in the news reports. The articles didn't "debate"; they reported on the debate.

When some asshole state proposes a law banning gender-affirming care for minors, the NYT reports that's what happened. They may include quotes from asshole legislators in that asshole state. They may include quotes from people affected, or people opposed. I doubt they're making pronouncements on who is correct, even if the asshole state is clearly wrong.

I'll have to go back and read Bazelon's article to understand what the specific objection is. It's bound to be narrowly focused.

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