OMG, in McKeesport, PA, two officers were called to a domestic dispute. One officer was shot in the

[debm55]

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face and killed, the other was shot but still alive. This is two blocks from where I taught. Schools are in lockdown as one suspect was caught and the other got away. I am so fucken sick of hearing about shootings everyday. It's big news here. I am old, I am tired, It has come to the point you can't even go to the store for food. Sorry folks, but when are we going to learn to put a ban on these weapons?Sorry for the rant.
Update, mother called police on son. Suspect left house. Officer tried to talk him down. Suspect turned and shot the one in the face, the other wasn't mentioned where he was shot.. Shit this is right in front of a school. A third officer shot the suspect in the legs. Shit almost like a shotout at the OK Coral. Suspect and officer are in staple condition. This happened at noon. What if those kids had been out for recess?

[Sogo]

1. No need to feel sorry for your rant.

We all pretty much feel the same way....

[debm55]

3. You know, you get sick and damn tired of it. Lockdown has been lifted but UPMC McKeeport is still on

lockdown. Second officer condition is critical. Why are so many killings, I don't remember a time when people had so little disregard for others' lives.

[DENVERPOPS]

12. It is well acknowledged

for over sixty years, that by far, *THE* most dangerous calls for a cop are DOMESTIC VIOLENCE calls...............

not some black person walking down the street with a coke or cell phone in their hand..............

[brewens]

2. You have to consider the risk of a shooting or other threats going anywhere these days.

Lots of people figure as bad as it is, the odds are in their favor it won't happen to them. Same as everyone that has been shot or was lucky enough to get out of the way.

[wnylib]

5. Situational awareness is nrcessary.

Pay attention to the people around you when in public places and put distance between yourself and people acting strangely. Know where exits are when you go inside places.

Sad but true facts of life in the US today.

[brewens]

7. I've known not to be in a huge throng for decades and now that's scarier. A crowd might spook and

stampede easier. I'm still laying low somewhat because of COVID and everything else going around anyway but will avoid anything like that for the foreseeable future.

[Runningdawg]

4. I wish I hadn't altered the way I live and shop, but I have.

In OK, I don't shop in stores where I can't see an exit other than the front door. The last time I broke that rule, the cops came for some lady a few back in the cashier line, she pulled a gun on them. Others in that line learned an old fat woman CAN run.
In OK, the answer to your question is NEVER. Making sure your gun is visible at all times is as important as the cross around their neck.

[FakeNoose]

6. Here's the story just posted on Pittsburgh Post-Gazette's website

(link) https://www.post-gazette.com/news/crime-courts/2023/02/06/mckeesport-police-shooting-allegheny-county/stories/202302060070

One McKeesport police officer killed, one wounded in shooting

One McKeesport police officer was killed and another wounded during a shooting Monday afternoon, the city’s mayor announced on the town’s Facebook page.

“It is with heavy hearts and deep sadness that the City of McKeesport has lost a police officer in the line of duty. During our department’s response to a reported domestic incident, one officer was fatally shot and another was seriously wounded. Please keep the McKeesport Police Department in your thoughts, and respect these officers’ families and their privacy during this tragic and traumatic time,” the message said.

Names of the officers and more details of the incident were not released. The investigation appeared centered on the parking lot of the Uni-Mart on Versailles Avenue near Grandview Avenue. Police were walking around the scene, where numerous evidence markers were placed.

Allegheny County Police were going to provide an update on the situation as soon as it was available Monday afternoon, officials said. All McKeesport Area schools went into “exterior lockdown,” according to the district’s Facebook page. A large police presence was in the area between St. Mary’s Cemetery and Versailles Avenue.

- no more at link - The story will be updated -



McKeesport is about 10 miles east southeast of Downtown Pittsburgh.

[debm55]

10. Thank you, for posting that.I appreciate.

[dsc]

11. My mom's parents lived in Glassport

even in the 1980's when we would visit them McKeesport was considered a rough area.

[debm55]

15. I live across the river from Glassport. In Jefferson Boro

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[aggiesal]

8. This is why police come with guns pointing at you when they arrive for the simpliest infractions ...

It's all about the guns.
The sooner we can take them out of criminal hands, the better.

No need to apologize

[Hassin Bin Sober]

20. Ironically, every cop I know is a big gun humper that thinks our freedumbs shall not be infringed

It makes sense as they have pretty much been given the authority to shoot fist and ask questions later.

[aggiesal]

22. Hope you have the ability to read tweets. You should read this ...

Read her whole thread. Enjoy.

Link to tweet

[electric_blue68]

44. Read the thread. Wow. Brave ex-cop. I often think the good cops are afraid for their families to...

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speak out. And themselves, (if) but to have your family threatened is so cruel.
And right there - that command, and memory twist tatic that she informs us about!! 😮


While I think we need some police, I agree alot with the
ideas behind thebadly coined "defund the police" phrase.

Plus way too many racists cops!


I do hope the injured make it through, and Strength to the grieving family and friends


Oh, and then the thread ended up having former Det Frank (Fransesco) Serpico tweet! So I followed his thread for a while.

[aggiesal]

50. The Defund the Police slogan needs to be debunked ...

Police are not trained as sociologist, psychiatrist, psychologist, to handle domestic disturbance other than to shoot someone dead.

Take part of the police $$$'s and hire someone trained to handle domestic disturbance or into community trust building.
Otherwise it's just more guns, more cuffs, more bars.

[electric_blue68]

51. Yeah, but some of the ideas like taking $$ and funding better schools, jobs opportunities, mental

health care to reduce poverty, and racism which aggravates things, are good approaches.

And you're definitely not the first person to suggest perhaps having a social worker, therapist around (or maybe on the phone) with the responding police to hopefully deescalate certain appropo situations. 👍

[whathehell]

58. Yes, and dare I say it?

A Female ex-cop...Should be about the 4 millionth nail in the coffin of "balls" equaling guts.
"

[electric_blue68]

59. And then there's... that. yup

[whathehell]

60. Yes indeed..

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

53. mom told police that all guns had been secured

[cstanleytech]

56. Considering the sheer number of guns in the US keeping them out

of criminals hands will be next to impossible.

[aggiesal]

63. I agree. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try. ...

What scares me are the vendors.
I'm sure the majority are legit and follow the regulations, to stay in business, for hunting and self-defense.

But the unscrupulous types acquire all kinds of connections in both buyers & sellers of large quantities if possible.

BTW, the only administration to take guns away from US citizens was G.W. McIdiot after Hurricane Katrina.

So when anyone ever tells me that (D)'s want to take your guns away, I always respond saying "Like G.W. McIdiot did?"

[cstanleytech]

64. I never said we shouldn't try. As things stand now though

with the Constitution and the makeup of the Courts passing laws will be tricky if it involves gun ownership.
About the only thing realistically that can be done though is to impose harsher punishments for commiting a crime with a gun but I doubt that will have much if any impact on crime.
If we truly want less crime overall the best way is to actually work to improve people's lives by lifting them up economically.

[aggiesal]

67. ...

[lostnfound]

9. That's awful. But BLM and anti-police hatred will be blamed, not guns.

Expect a bunch of sermonizing by the likes of Tucker Carlson and GOP congressmen about the lack of respect for police, etc.

[debm55]

13. I was talking about all the shootings-stores, churches, suicides, sitting on your porch, in your

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house, Going about your business as usual. Civilians are being killed, WHY?

[lostnfound]

18. Agreed. I'm just pointing out the deflection that will occur

Guns everywhere, making all interactions risky. No matter the circumstances, the guns will not be blamed.

It’s really not fair that police have to do their policing in a society randomly armed to the teeth, but weirdly, they haven’t pushed for gun control.

[debm55]

21. I have a neighbor that cuts his grass with a gun strapped to his thigh. I taught in Northern

Philadelphia (29th and Diamond) and was never afraid to use the buses, subway, etc.

[BOSSHOG]

49. I went to St Columba

21st and Lehigh through the 5th grade. My grandparents lived 26th and Somerset. We rode the busses all the time. But I do remember the riots of 65.

[BOSSHOG]

14. Hang in there Teammate

I do not have an answer to your query but one thing may inch us in the direction of a solution. I am a one issue voter. If a candidate has an (R) by their name, I won’t vote for them. I’m confident that plan will work out for me about 100% of the time. I know, incredibly minor solace but that is what I DO.

God Bless the Peacemakers. And Goddamn the ignorant and the haters.

[debm55]

16. Boss, so do I.

Just curious, why all the killings, cops killing people, people killing other people. People killing family and those they don't even know.

[BOSSHOG]

47. So sad

And now we have nazis who want to take out our power grids Let me suggest that THEY don’t KNOW any better. Literally.

[11 Bravo]

19. Damn, BOSS, where have you been?

I almost posted last week asking if anyone knew if you were still around.

Good to see you, Teammate!

on edit: After checking, I see that you have been posting, so I guess I just missed them. Anyway, I'm glad you're still here, old-timer!

[BOSSHOG]

48. Hey 11 Bravo

Actually My last post was the night the Saints won the Super Bowl until about six months ago. A rather long hiatus. I had to step away. But thanks to GOP nonsense I had to step back in. Always a great place to stop by and sit a spell. Conservatives give me a strong case of the “angst.” And I like to share my displeasure and suggestions with others. Great to be back and great to see your handle. A nice mix of young and old and all in between.

[11 Bravo]

62. I'm glad you're back, Teammate, because NOBODY shares displeasure quite like a Navy Chief!

Bravo Zulu, and I look forward to more of your posts!

[BOSSHOG]

69. We refer to it as a training exercise

[IronLionZion]

17. After each shooting, Republicans encourage people buy more guns

rinse (the blood), and repeat.

But we can't talk about gun legislation after a shooting, and there will always be more shootings, so we can never talk about gun legislation, and there will always be more shootings, so....

[Ford_Prefect]

23. The ONLY reason for a civilian to wear a gun is either because they are a target, or looking for one

NO ONE who is not a sworn peace officer has just cause to carry.

If you believe you are in a war zone then anyone else becomes a target.

If you have reason to fear police officers the war has already surrounded you. And Yes, I do recognize that significant numbers of police are overly aggressive towards POC, frequently violating their basic rights and presumed innocence. That is part of the same problem, unfortunately.

SO far as it goes there are at least 50 times more weapons on the streets, or in civilian homes and hands, than it would ever take to defend from any possible foreign invasion. The so called "Wild West' existed for roughly 30 years between the end of the Civil War and the end of the century. Since the take-over in 1970 of the NRA by right wing political agents gun sales have skyrocketed along with RW propaganda insisting that only fools went out in public unarmed.

I can't go to buy groceries, or to the flea-market, or to get my oil changed without seeing open carry fools and armed vehicles in the parking lots. To say nothing of the people who might be involved in Domestic issues.

[sarisataka]

25. Where do you live

That you see people carrying daily? I can count on one hand the number I have seen in fifteen years.

Armed vehicles? Like guns mounted on them?

[debm55]

27. I live in Western PA, Jefferson Boro. When I brought it up with the other neighbors, that this gun

nut is cutting his grass with a gun strapped to his thigh, they said he might have snakes in his yard. I only see this guy open carry during the summer.

[sarisataka]

33. Tacticool lawn mowing

That's a new one. Pennsylvania isn't the first state that comes to mind when I think of snake country.

If he does have snakes it could be pointed out he has a lawnmower already in his hands. It requires less precision...

[Ford_Prefect]

28. I live in western Montana. Armed vehicles are those with visible full gun racks, typically with very

hostile bumper stickers: IE "Re-arm Missoula". The Jihad Cowboys are very visible and on occasion, like in line to buy groceries or at the restaurant, quite audible too.

Some people carry here as casually as they used to smoke cigarettes. Perhaps it's a form of the same addiction?

[sarisataka]

34. I have only been in Eastern Montana

And several years have gone by since then. Not at all like that.

[Ford_Prefect]

45. When Trump lost they kinda went loco and have only gotten worse with every tweet and

Faux Rage missive from FOX et al.

They didn't even notice that gas prices had dropped.

[Alexander Of Assyria]

61. Loco was in their genes long before election night, maybe firing their guns got their jeans tight.

[debm55]

36. I never posted about armed vehicles. I talked about an armed man cutting his grass. Please reread.

Thank you.

[sarisataka]

38. I was replying

To Ford Prefect who did post about armed vehicles.

My reading is fine, thank you.

[debm55]

54. Sorry

[msdogi]

24. I am constantly of guns

anywhere, everywhere. We need Democratic majorities in Congress, a Democratic President and the filibuster neutered to see any change in the gun catastrophe.

[sarisataka]

26. I am mildly surprised

Not a single FTP or even an ACAB.

Hopefully the other officer recovers.

[Evolve Dammit]

31. WTF indeed

[debm55]

39. Go back to OP they were trying to talk him down as the mother called and said he was having a mental

episode. A third oficer shot the suspect in the legs.

[sarisataka]

43. I have seen the Acronyms

Show up in threads about police funerals. I am surprised none have shown up any replies to you, so far

[WhiskeyGrinder]

65. Lol I may be an asshole when it comes to posting, but I do have my own standards.

[sarisataka]

66. You may be an asshole but

You are our asshole
Besides I don't want to be the only one

No, it is another one or two posters I was thinking of...

[WhiskeyGrinder]

68. Ah hell

I literally lol’d, as the kids say.

[Lunabell]

29. And courts have decided domestic violence perpetrators have a right to own a gun.

WTF???

[Evolve Dammit]

30. You're not ranting. You are genuinely upset at our current gun violence taking over. nt

[housecat]

32. Don't be sorry for the rant! More people should rant!

[Skittles]

35. I'm sure there are some DUers willing to call them pigs

most of them wouldn't do a cop's job for any amount of money

[Escurumbele]

37. "when are we going to learn to put a ban on these weapons?" When campaign contribution

regulations change, when "Citizens United" is abolished, when money stops being more important than life.

And don't be sorry for your rant, it is welcomed, many of us share your frustration and anger, mostly when the people responsible for the madness pretend to be pro-life, the party of family values and so many people believe it.

Thank you for your post.

[ZonkerHarris]

40. I've spent a lot of time in Monroeville right near there. That's crazy.

[catbyte]

41. Just awful. My dad was a cop for 30 years and he said the calls he dreaded the most were the

domestics. He said they were the most dangerous, volatile situations to walk into and he just hated them. Having my dad killed on duty was my greatest fear as a kid, and that anxiety comes rushing back when I read stories like this. My condolences to the family of the slain officer and I hope the injured officer recovers.

I grew up around guns and learned to respect them before I could talk. I learned to shoot when I was 8 years old. The gun culture in this country has gotten so sick and it's disgusting that there is no courage nor the political will to curb it.

[yardwork]

42. Domestic violence calls are considered to be highly dangerous by LE.

That's why the recent federal judge's decision to restore firearms to people convicted of DV is so unconscionable.

[democrank]

46. Another day, another shooting, another miserable example of our ever-present violence

What a tragedy for the deceased officer’s and injured officer’s family and friends, their community and the nation. This has to stop.

[BlueWaveNeverEnd]

52. youtubes news reports

[pansypoo53219]

55. the plague america refuses to stop.

[Maggiemayhem]

57. I saw this headline as I was watching the vinyl chloride train derailment