Please allow me to tell you what these "replace Joe Biden" threads remind me of...

[PCIntern]

In the calendar year 2018, the Philadelphia Eagles defeated the New England Patriots to win the Super Bowl. The Eagles were underdogs the entire playoff route, starting with the wildcard game all the way up through and including the NFC championship and then of course, the Super Bowl. They were considered to have nearly zero chance against a quarterback who is considered by many to be the greatest of all time and a team, which was a playoff Juggernaut, veteran of many Super Bowls, and a coach and a team who are known to cheat on occasion when they clearly don’t have to in order to win. But the Eagles, commandeered by the quarterback by the name of Nick Foles, who was the backup QB due to injury to the starting quarterback, Carson Wentz, who was supposed to be the football messiah here, defeated teams which were considered to be vastly superior, and then nearly miraculously won the Super Bowl with an essentially perfect game. In addition to his remarkable performance, the Eagles pulled off a trick play, which is and will be forever shown in every highlight film for which it is appropriate. Now it is important to remember that the Eagles had never won a Super Bowl, although they had participated previously, and the city was joyous beyond comprehension. It is arguable that it and the 1980 Phillies victory, which was its first world championship, were the greatest moments in the City of Philadelphia since the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution were signed here.

But I’m getting to my point: the day after the Eagles won the Super Bowl in such glorious fashion, they were calls to the organization by many Philadelphia fans to get rid of the winning quarterback, Nick Foles, because… Well, just because. It was almost unbelievable that the man who led the team to the promised land through almost impossible odds, would be scrapped in an instant for no obvious reasons. When you would ask these people why he should go, response was a mixture of “well, we really can’t afford him now” or “he’s just not that strong a quarterback”.

I will be truthful and say it was the most peculiar thing I have experienced in the sporting world, and believe me, I have paid attention to three sports since 1958, so I’ve been around the block, particularly in this town of perennial losing teams. The same thing is going on with President Biden: he’s been successful, he’s been on the money and done so many great things following that four year catastrophe that we had, that I guess these people just think he has to go. I just don’t get it. Believe me, if the Republicans had the equivalent, they would not be a whisper of replacing their guy. I think that many of us just cannot tolerate success.

[BannonsLiver]

1. It's odd to be offended so deeply by simple speculation.

Water cooler talk, essentially. But we die on hills like that all the time here so…🤷?♂️

[Torchlight]

3. I saw less as any offense taken and more as additional water cooler talk you yourself described.

Essentially.

[Walleye]

2. Strangest thing about Democrats, we can't stand success, it seems

[Hope22]

6. We can be quick to eat our own..

..Al Franken!

[Walleye]

19. Don't forget the Democrats who to turned on Hillary

[Rebl2]

25. Yep!

[Cracklin Charlie]

4. Every day we have with Joe Biden as our President is a gift to us.

All of us. The whole world.

I’m pretty sure we don’t deserve him.

[Captain Zero]

22. Don't switch horses in the middle of the stream.

Is very apt in this situation.

[Butterflylady]

26. I heard that many times when W was running

For the second time and then it was appropriate.

However, now is definitely NOT the time.

[elleng]

5. 'Well, just because.'

(THANKS, PCI. My young Grands living in NJ, are iggles fans.)

[Farmer-Rick]

7. Reminds me of the imaginary red wave

Same tactics. Bad to awful polls, small sample size, high margin of errors, bad polls splashed all over corporate news media especially in liberal friendly publications.

It's the 3rd salvo (that I know of) for the 2024 presidential election to get the oligarchs the monster Republicon they really want.

[Peacetrain]

8. I am so pleased with the success of the Biden/Harris administration..

Yes Joe walks and speaks slower than he used to.. Yes he continues the word goof up he has always been known to make. But he has accomplished things we only dreamed of

VP Harris has been a jewel because, if she was as forceful in speech as she can be, she would overshadow the President.

His skills have not diminished..He keeps on top of things in a way not seen seen since President Obama.

So I am all for him staying on. Fingers crossed.. We have such a good team

[bluesbassman]

9. Snatching defeat from the jaws of victory is a time honored Democratic activity.

Because “reasons”., which invariably involve ponies and such.

[Paladin]

10. Daily evidence of that here at DU, I'm sorry to say. (nt)

[RobinA]

11. In Hindsight

should they have kept Nick Foles?

And I say this as a Philadelphian and a HUGE Nick Foles fan. The man captured lightening in a bottle - much harder than being a franchise quarterback.

[GusBob]

17. didnt they offer him a bunch of money

but he became a free agent? Cuz he was playing for Jax in 2019

[panader0]

23. Nick Foles went to the U of Arizona. I was glad to see him go so far.

The U of A is the closest college to me. I root for the Wilcat basketball team, currenty # 4 in the nation.

[Jirel]

12. The sports analogy is garbage.

Football and other pro sports are mindless entertainment for fans who only care if “their team,” good, bad, full of rapists or animal abusers, or not, run by racists, misogynists, or science deniers, or not. Politics is not about “our team” or “their team.” It is about ideas and a plan for a desperately perilous future.

Joe Biden, for many if us, did not carry the ideas that we supported in other candidates. We happily voted for him regardless, because he is a fundamentally good man and experienced politician for a time of crisis, despite not being the right man, in the opinion of many, to usher in changes that can no longer wait. It is ridiculous to try to quash an opinion that is held by such a large portion of our party’s voters and activists, by playing the “but the quarterback won” card. We aren’t voting for some fundamentally fungible, overpaid idiot in a helmet. We are having important conversations about the future of what our party - not our team - will stand for, and what must be done, and by whom, to make it a reality.

Your argument reminds me of the vacuous ad in “Wag The Dog,” “don’t change horses in mid-stream.”

[GusBob]

21. Um, if one were really to consider the sports analogy here....

The trend in the NFL is younger and more physically fit QB's

[PCIntern]

28. It's not the sports aspect which I was accentuating

And calling someone’s argument “garbage” is extremely denigrating.

It was people’s reactions to the event which I found enlightening.

[bluesbassman]

30. Ah, we have someone who didn't get their pony.

Yes, sports are full of bad people just like any other segment of society. There are rapists, misogynists, animal abusers, science deniers and the like all around AND amongst us. It's the world we live in and if you're looking for that fact to change soon you're in for a lot of disappointment and a continuously empty stall in your pony barn.

Nobody is trying to "quash" opinions of voters or activists, but the fact is the sometimes unreasonable and unobtainable opinions of a large amount of those voters and activists contributed to Trump sitting in the White House for four years. How'd that work out for you? It didn't work out to well for me.

I'm all for repairing the damage that has been inflicted on us all by a failed Republican ideology, but I'm also a realist and understand that we'll change NOTHING if we don't have a seat at the table. How do you propose we get that seat at the table if we don't put forth people who have the ability to get elected, even if they don't promise you your pony?

[E. Normus]

13. Perhaps if President Biden were to step down,

Republicans would be happier with Madam President Harris? BwaaHaaHaaHaa.....NOT!

[GusBob]

14. So, what happened to Foles?

IIRC he threw an interception that ended the Eagles 2018 season, was offered a bunch of money but became a free agent in 2019

And his career fizzled out thereafter

one cant live on past glory

[Texin]

15. An organization that sponsors a poll can create questions that tilts results

in a particular way. Syntax of polling questions can have enormous impact on the results.

[leftstreet]

16. Who is saying "replace Joe Biden?"

I've seen "what if Biden doesn't run" threads, but not calls to replace him

[mountain grammy]

18. So damn true

and wow was that a great game! Probably one of the top five I've ever seen.

[BumRushDaShow]

20. Don't forget

40th anniversary!

And agree - there is a serious problem. I saw a breaking news banner with a bullshit cherry pick from that AP poll that released that claimed something along the line that "Americans don't think that Joe Biden has done anything".

And of course when DU hears that, it means "Democrats aren't doing any messaging" despite the fact that the events that both Biden and Harris were at the past couple days WERE "messaging" about exactly what has been done the past 2 years.

IMHO, some of it goes beyond "snatching defeat from the jaws of victory" and tips over into a pathological state of mind (coupled with trolls).

[Captain Zero]

24. 83 Sixers - When they got someone to inbound the ball

😉😆

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

27. Oh

[Lonestarblue]

29. The media tries to create political disturbances because they sell more subscriptions or

get more clicks that earn them advertising dollars. WaPo has been beating the “is Biden too old” horse for some time now. The NYT does also, but less frequently and blatantly. Neither has bothered to give Biden credit for his accomplishments or even to recognize that Trump and his cohort of incompetent sycophants left the federal government in shambles and that the Biden team has done an excellent job trying to get us back on track, especially on the international stage where Trump destroyed the trust of our allies built up since WWII. Our allies and NATO partners have trust again, but it is qualified on Democrats remaining in the White House and in control of at least one branch of Congress to limit Republican damage. Sending Trump or someone like him back to the WH would erode that trust quickly.

Having people question Biden’s age and abilities is partially the cause of so many people thinking he’s too old. We need Biden’s experience and knowledge. And even if he may be slowing a bit physically and mentally, he is still 100 times smarter and more knowledgeable than the Orange Idiot was in his 30s, or indeed his whole life.

[groundloop]

33. Yep. Talking about Biden's age is a HUGE GQP talking point, no need to help them.

President Biden appears to be very fit, both mentally and physically and I see no reason to question whether he has 5 or 6 more years left in his tank.

In my most humble opinion we should be shouting about all of the accomplishments since the Orange Idiot left, we as Democrats often don't do a very good job of selling ourselves. Hell, look at the over 700 children who have been reunited with their families for starters.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

31. I don't think that comparison helps you. Nick Foles was hot garbage after that season.

Sure. He won the Super Bowl and most QBs don't. But they should have got rid of him right away while his capital was hot.

Are you seriously comparing what is to come with Biden to what came with Foles?

[PCIntern]

34. No

My point is that people’s response to the win was that we had to get rid of the guy who won it for us immediately. It really is counterintuitive.

[Cuthbert Allgood]

36. It wasn't counterintuitive because he was really bad.

They were right. He is top 3 for worst QBs to win a Super Bowl.

[lastlib]

32. Nobody thought Abraham Lincoln would be a good President, let alone a great one.

I'll dance with who brung us, until I see a good reason not to. I havven't seen one. I won't say Joe Biden has been perfect, but he has been pretty damn good, with what he has had to work with. He has had a barely favorable House, and a barely functioning Senate, the first two years; now he has a hostile House that will do nothing but give him something to run against.

We really have our work cut out for us to hold the Senate and win back the House in '24, but I think Joe is a good leader for us in that fight. And he's good for fighting for people who need help. He's my man for '24!

[ananda]

35. Just a little knicker twisting.

There is a LOT of that anyway here on DU.

I'm used to it.