House Concurrent Resolution 9-denounces socialism in all its forms

[Ferrets are Cool]

House Concurrent Resolution 9, which “denounces socialism in all its forms and opposes the implementation of socialist policies in the United States,” was introduced by Rep. María Elvira Salazar (R-Florida) “I think it’s the best resolution that has ever been presented before the United States Congress,” Salazar told Insider at the U.S. Capitol before the vote. “Our youth are being penetrated by this ideology through media and academia.”

Can someone who is smarter than me please explain why so many Democrats voted yes on this?

One hundred and nine Democrats — many of them members of the corporate-friendly New Democrat Coalition — joined with every Republican lawmaker in voting to approve the resolution. Prominent Democrats who voted “yes” include: House Minority Leader Hakeem Jeffries (New York), former House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (California), and House Assistant Democratic Leader Jim Clyburn (South Carolina)

The resolution can be read here: https://www.congress.gov/bill/118th-congress/house-concurrent-resolution/9/text
While part of it is worded to to condemn communists regimes, other parts seem to be included to protect billionaires.

I'm not bashing. I would just like to know the reason why?

[Timeflyer]

1. How about denouncing fascism? Asking for the troops that landed on Normandy, liberated Europe.

[Emile]

3. +1 spot on!

[Emile]

13. Fascism is 1000 times more scarier.

[secondwind]

2. Perhaps it's because they don't believe that what we are doing is pure socialism. Who knows .....

[JHB]

4. Why? To not play their game. Nothing proposed by our side is socialism

Even if Bernie and The Squad had full reign to set the agenda -- which they don't -- their proposals aren't socialism. I'll argue they are mistaken when they identify their beliefs as democratic socialism. Like it or not, Americans don't do "subtle" about that word.

The entire point of the resolution was to get Democrats on record as being "socialist", in equating Democrats with Stalinists and Maoists. That's why it's worded to claim that the sort of policies and reforms conservatives like to call "socialist" put countries on the path to being mass-murdering police states, even though the examples they used did not become so through gradual, intermediate steps. They were all revolutionary extreme ideologues from the get-go.


And that equating is just garbage. Conservatives consider the New Deal to be "socialism", and by that logic we won WW2 and the Cold War as a "socialist" nation.

[Ferrets are Cool]

9. Do you not agree that these things (listed below in the link) are examples of socialism in the US?

https://helpfulprofessor.com/examples-of-socialism-in-america/
1. Public Infrastructure
2. Social Security
3. Fire Protection Services
4. Military
5. Public Transportation
6. Police Departments
7. Public Parks
8. Public Schools
9. Postal Service
10. Medicare/Medicaid

I don't get why we have to be scared of the word.

[Stuart G]

11. pERFECT EXAMPLE OF WHAT "SOCIALISM" IS....PERFECT...........k and r your post

[Ferrets are Cool]

18. Thank you G

[LakeVermilion]

15. Any kind of insurance is a form of socialism...

[JHB]

24. No, I don't. Public infrastructure and services are not socialism.

Having a mixed economy is not the same as socialism.

It's not "scared of the word" to recognize that large swaths of the country associate it with Cold War totalitarian adversaries (y'know, like the ones that put "Socialist" in their name), and that we're more interested in getting things done than what it's called. Especially when calling it one way adds a huge hurdle to getting those things done.

[betsuni]

30. +1

[betsuni]

29. +1

[GoCubsGo]

5. Perhaps they split down the middle to show they aren't playing along with this garbage

The resolution is obviously bullshit, and an attempt to tar the Democrats as "evil Socialists." Why play into it? The best answer to this shit is a non-answer.

"...best resolution that has ever been presented before the United States Congress..." Give. Me. A. Fucking. Break. Holy shit, the GOP are such dolts.

[Buns_of_Fire]

6. And so it begins. The first of what I'm sure will be many

total wastes of time and paper to disguise the fact that the freedumb party isn't capable of doing anything constructive at all. Next up: HR10 ( also known as the "We Like Pie Resolution" ).

[Ray Bruns]

7. Because it is a useless resolution meaning nothing and doing nothing.

It’s only purpose is to inflame the MAGA morons in the culture wars. So voting for it really gains nothing.

[Walleye]

8. I can't get over Salazar of Florida saying "our youth are being penetrated"

There is some kind of mental disease in Florida

[Stuart G]

10. Stupid is "WHAT STUPID IS"......"SOCIALISM"....???? wHAT IS THAT?

..........FREE EDUCATION, K - 12 ..............?
..........RELATIVELY FREE WATER TO ALL......?
..........FIRE PROTECTION & FIRE DEPARTMENTS PROVIDED BY CITY...(in case of a fire in your home, call Fire Dept - 911
.........etc. etc. (oh, you don't believe...??) how about free parks in cities? Sometimes free events ...free shows..etc.

oh, we don't have........................:socialism:...................do we?

..............PLEASE SEE POST NUMBER 9....WE HAD THIS IDEA AT ABOUT THE SAME TIME

[Ferrets are Cool]

19. ...

[maxrandb]

14. Because it's nothing but performative claptrap

and those Dems are in districts where constituents, at least enough of them, are easily manipulated by performative claptrap.

[Gore1FL]

16. Why?

It's been our nature since 1984.

[Lovie777]

17. GQP is doing stupid shit that does not benefit the general.....

American. Waste, that's all the GQP do, does nothing substantial for the USA except to divide and destroy.

[Wounded Bear]

20. So that they can deny those future situations when they get labeled as "Socialists" by the right...

They can say, "I'm not a socialist. See, I voted to denounce it."

It's all performance art. Might as well dance to the current tune.

[Ferrets are Cool]

21. I don't see why we have to dance to THEIR tune.

Socialism is not a bad word. See my post above.

[70sEraVet]

22. Seems like in this country, we have to worry more about unbridled Capitalism!

[Ferrets are Cool]

23. Exactly.

[emulatorloo]

25. Probably because the US is a mixed economy, which isn't not Socialism.

Also because Republicans are assholes who want to brand Democrats as ‘socialists’ in lying attack ads.

As you know. 99.9999999% Democrats are not pure socialists. And to me the few who claim they are socialists aren’t either, they want social programs, safety nets, economic equality etc. as do all Democrats.

[JHB]

26. +1000

[betsuni]

31. +1

[moondust]

27. Demonize public services enough

and eventually they may be able to privatize them, maximize profits, and make the big bucks trading them!!!

Note their current proposals to chip away at Social Security, Medicare, public schools, and other public services.

What they are actually condemning is totalitarianism (though for some reason there is nothing in their 'Resolution' about Hitler or his 'National Socialists') :

Totalitarianism is a form of government and a political system that prohibits all opposition parties, outlaws individual and group opposition to the state and its claims, and exercises an extremely high if not complete degree of control and regulation over public and private life.
~

As opposed to socialism:

~
Social ownership can be public, community, collective, cooperative,[9][10][11] or employee.[6][12] While no single definition encapsulates the many types of socialism,[13] social ownership is the one common element,[5][14] and is considered left-wing.
~

The demonization has been going on for more than a century; I believe since the Bolshevik Revolution that saw the commies take control of private property. The capitalists got scared and started their campaign to fight all forms of common ownership--which continues now a century later.

[Ferrets are Cool]

28. Good post