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White comfort. This video sure gave me something to think about. (Original Post) Arkansas Granny Feb 2023 OP
People often think that "white supremacy" means "lynching and KKK rides," when it is much, much more WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #1
As in many cases... appmanga Feb 2023 #29
White privilege is very different from white supremacy. WhiskeyGrinder Feb 2023 #30
This is profound malaise Feb 2023 #2
I'll trade you... rubbersole Feb 2023 #3
I pass on Florida malaise Feb 2023 #7
same. Thought about it at one time. No freaking way now. Evolve Dammit Feb 2023 #12
Was in FL Rebl2 Feb 2023 #14
It must have been amazing in the 30's through 70's. Everytime I went after that, it was less Evolve Dammit Feb 2023 #19
It was horrific back then if you were a non white, and especially if black. Still is for many. Celerity Feb 2023 #34
I just meant natural beauty and fairly unspoiled. Evolve Dammit Feb 2023 #38
Turned it down malaise Feb 2023 #15
travel sucks now, and who wants to visit a rabid red state if you are inclined to travel? Evolve Dammit Feb 2023 #18
Well I used to love to visit my sis and her family malaise Feb 2023 #21
I used to go to FL every year to visit family/friends. I'll pass now. NE is just fine; not perfect, Evolve Dammit Feb 2023 #23
Travel by Rebl2 Feb 2023 #22
Same here malaise Feb 2023 #24
As long as Tampon Ron is running the state... appmanga Feb 2023 #31
When I was growing up, my mom would tell us kids about when she met Jim Crow. Arkansas Granny Feb 2023 #26
You had a great mom malaise Feb 2023 #28
I just purchased a book called White Tears, Brown Scars by Ruby Hamad. Lonestarblue Feb 2023 #4
Wow, white comfort. That just sends chills down my back. Biophilic Feb 2023 #5
Here's the original tiktok link 'cause it's important. hunter Feb 2023 #6
i'm not signed up for tiktok--is the video any longer? orleans Feb 2023 #20
The systemic nature of US racism goes deeper than many of us realize. crickets Feb 2023 #8
It's not just the US malaise Feb 2023 #35
Sadly true. nt crickets Feb 2023 #39
My kid who makes straight As doesn't want to engage in class because he doesn't want to discomfort uponit7771 Feb 2023 #9
When I watch "Finding your roots" plimsoll Feb 2023 #10
+1, uponit7771 Feb 2023 #13
That's crazy malaise Feb 2023 #27
The 1619 Project did an excellent job explaining it SouthernDem4ever Feb 2023 #11
That honest bit of history sure did trigger a lot of white racists. SunSeeker Feb 2023 #16
Only morons who haven't actually seen it berate it SouthernDem4ever Feb 2023 #17
The fact thatpeople have even been talking about white comfort soldierant Feb 2023 #25
Today is the 78th anniversary of Marley's birth malaise Feb 2023 #32
Thank you so much! soldierant Feb 2023 #40
This message was self-deleted by its author malaise Feb 2023 #33
Informative thread IbogaProject Feb 2023 #36
This message was self-deleted by its author traitorsgalore Feb 2023 #37

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,740 posts)
1. People often think that "white supremacy" means "lynching and KKK rides," when it is much, much more
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 06:20 PM
Feb 2023

about what this person talks about. The flip side is the weaponization of white women's tears -- once a white women starts crying in a discussion about race, the conversation is over, because you made her uncomfortable.

appmanga

(643 posts)
29. As in many cases...
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 09:18 PM
Feb 2023

...what should be an overarching term has been reduced. Having "white supremacy" pretty much associated as something that belongs to the most extreme racists has left us reaching for the more adequate term in its stead, and we wound up with "white privilege".

Latter day white supremacists like Ron DeSantis, Taylor-Green, Gaetz, Boebert, Gosar, et al, willingly wear the term "white supremacist" as if it were a shield because so many people see it as extreme rather than accurate. All of the people I mentioned have admitted white ethnocentricy drives their politics and personal philosophies, and they're committed to restoring it as government policy. The people who vote for them have no issue with that, while there are those who strongly oppose them but who would still harbor certain supremacist beliefs such as a black person cannot be more intelligent than a white peer, or other such indoctrinations.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,740 posts)
30. White privilege is very different from white supremacy.
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 09:25 PM
Feb 2023

White supremacy is the culture we live in and many of our systems and institutions are built on it.

malaise

(270,822 posts)
2. This is profound
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 07:10 PM
Feb 2023

Thanks for posting it
I'm black and never thought about this either, but then I live in the Caribbean.

Evolve Dammit

(17,111 posts)
19. It must have been amazing in the 30's through 70's. Everytime I went after that, it was less
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 08:49 PM
Feb 2023

enjoyable. More sprawl and strip development. They ruined it.

Celerity

(44,577 posts)
34. It was horrific back then if you were a non white, and especially if black. Still is for many.
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 09:41 AM
Feb 2023
It must have been amazing in the 30's through 70's.

malaise

(270,822 posts)
15. Turned it down
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 08:35 PM
Feb 2023

Not sure I’ll ever leave JA again and I used to travel once or twice a year. Decided to boycott after the Slobfather’s inauguration and then Covid arrived. Can’t be bothered with the travel inconvenience these days.

malaise

(270,822 posts)
21. Well I used to love to visit my sis and her family
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 08:54 PM
Feb 2023

but I can’t be bothered these days. G

Let me add that this is no paradise what with crime and inflation but it’s my shithole spot and I understand it.

Evolve Dammit

(17,111 posts)
23. I used to go to FL every year to visit family/friends. I'll pass now. NE is just fine; not perfect,
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 09:00 PM
Feb 2023

but pretty tolerable. Per capita, less nutjobs than red states.

Rebl2

(13,809 posts)
22. Travel by
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 08:58 PM
Feb 2023

plane definitely a nightmare I would think. Haven’t been on a plane in many years now.

Arkansas Granny

(31,581 posts)
26. When I was growing up, my mom would tell us kids about when she met Jim Crow.
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 09:08 PM
Feb 2023

She was born and raised in Minneapolis, Minnesota. During WWII she moved to Fort Worth, TX, to work in the defense industry. She was pretty naive when it came to race relations and the bigotry and racism she saw were very disturbing to her. She told us of her experience to make sure that we understood the unfairness that she had witnessed.

Lonestarblue

(10,535 posts)
4. I just purchased a book called White Tears, Brown Scars by Ruby Hamad.
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 07:32 PM
Feb 2023

I haven’t started reading it yet, but the book is about how white feminism has harmed black people. The author explains her use of white tears as a way for white women especially to turn the conversation from racism to avoid others forcing them to be uncomfortable. Some definitions the author uses (from the Prologue):

“While often used to denote the skin color of Europeans in relation to Native Americans and (enslaved) Africans, “white” is better understood as an indication of racial privilege: who is considered white is less about how pale they are and more about whether they are the right kind of pale.”

“Whiteness is the privileging of those racial, cultural, and religious identities that most resemble the typical characteristics associated with fair-skinned (Western) Europeans. Consequently, the terms “white” and “people of color” are not descriptive—they are political.”

Biophilic

(3,879 posts)
5. Wow, white comfort. That just sends chills down my back.
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 07:32 PM
Feb 2023

It also explains so much of what is happening especially in Florida. White comfort, it explains a lot. I just have to sit here and think about it.

orleans

(34,214 posts)
20. i'm not signed up for tiktok--is the video any longer?
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 08:52 PM
Feb 2023

when it comes onto my computer the bottom of the video is cut off (same way tiktok always shows up on my desktop). it seems like it cut off abruptly when i watched it from the twitter repost--just wondering if there is any more to it.

crickets

(26,061 posts)
8. The systemic nature of US racism goes deeper than many of us realize.
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 07:49 PM
Feb 2023

The thought of having to self-censor my book collection, potentially as a matter of life and death... this video definitely gave me a lot to think about.

uponit7771

(90,440 posts)
9. My kid who makes straight As doesn't want to engage in class because he doesn't want to discomfort
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 07:51 PM
Feb 2023

... his white teachers or students.

We gonna change some shit ...

plimsoll

(1,682 posts)
10. When I watch "Finding your roots"
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 08:04 PM
Feb 2023

I'm always struck by the slave schedules. It served so many purposes; it dehumanized, it obliterated a past and family. It is also another example of protecting white comfort. All you had to do was inventory those black folks, no reason to discomfort yourself by acknowledging that you had actual living, breathing, thinking, feeling people subjugated.

malaise

(270,822 posts)
27. That's crazy
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 09:08 PM
Feb 2023

A lot of Caribbean folks make their kids finish high school in the Caribbean for said reason and they excel and thrive in US and other foreign universities/colleges. Racism destroys self esteem early.
I’ve seen it with some of my US born nieces and nephews.

SunSeeker

(52,210 posts)
16. That honest bit of history sure did trigger a lot of white racists.
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 08:38 PM
Feb 2023

It's really mind boggling how much they've gone out of their way to lie about the 1619 Project or otherwise try to discredit it.

SouthernDem4ever

(6,618 posts)
17. Only morons who haven't actually seen it berate it
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 08:44 PM
Feb 2023

because of assholes like tucker carlson feeding them bullcrap about it. If someone honestly sits and watches it, they won't feel threatened. The series doesn't try to shame as much as explain. If it makes someone feel ashamed, they need to stop and look at themselves.

soldierant

(7,178 posts)
25. The fact thatpeople have even been talking about white comfort
Sun Feb 5, 2023, 09:06 PM
Feb 2023

in the sense of truth "making white kids uncomfortable" - my first reaction was "Who the [expletive] do we think we are that we can't ever be made uncomfortable?" Of course the question answers itself - we think we are the masters of the universe. Well, we are not.

And of course @highlyvibey is correct that for centuries we had (and some of us still do) life and death power to enforce white comfort. How any white person with a heart and a brain can fail to see that - and fail tofeel discomfort over it - is beyond me, White people need to grow the eff up - and discomfort is a part of growing up. W need to embrace it.

malaise

(270,822 posts)
32. Today is the 78th anniversary of Marley's birth
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 09:29 AM
Feb 2023

This song which was Haile Selassie's address to the United Nations, 1963 needs an update - it's not just Africa - this white supremacy madness must cease.

soldierant

(7,178 posts)
40. Thank you so much!
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 11:13 PM
Feb 2023

To make sure iI was getting the full message I looked up the lyrics.

https://genius.com/Bob-marley-and-the-wailers-war-lyrics

And you are so right - it is everywhere, and certainly not least in the US.

Response to soldierant (Reply #25)

IbogaProject

(2,946 posts)
36. Informative thread
Mon Feb 6, 2023, 11:15 AM
Feb 2023

Thank you all for this informative thread.
I grew up in an integrated town in a historic area active in abolition and the underground railroad. I have some 'home work' ahead with this video and the mentioned 1619 project videos. I missed seeing roots as TV was very limited for me and I guess Mom and Dad didn't think it was ok for a third grader. I only saw some of it recently. I've seen some movies involving slavery more recently. Any ways I was always aware of racism partially as I saw the white side and felt it to be so stupid and repulsive. The black experience itself I never really got a lot of perspective on. My black hatian room mate and good friend in college mentioned the extra calculations he had to take in his head in social situations. I wasn't aware of that growing up. I hadn't ever considered how long American slavery and Jim Crow were most of our history. And now we are still dealing with economic bias caused by the red-lining started in the 1930s and the uneven application of social security tax and how those revenues are funneled to select groups. That one well meaning oversight has hollowed out communities across America. I understand that one as I was an economics major.

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