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Ohio Joe

(21,809 posts)
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 03:42 PM Jan 2023

tfg now claiming that Trump Organization does not exist

Trump claims that his Trump Organization can’t be sued because it doesn’t exist

In a lengthy, wild response to the New York attorney general’s $250 lawsuit alleging widespread fraud across his business empire, attorneys for Donald Trump and his three eldest children have argued that the “Trump Organization” at the centre of her blockbuster case against them cannot be sued because it does not legally exist.

The filing argues that the “Trump Organization” is used by the defendants only for “branding and business purposes” and that “no entity as such exists for legal purposes”, an argument that is repeated dozens of times across a 300-page document.

Thousands of pages across 16 answers to Letitia James’s case were filed just before a midnight deadline on Thursday, as the former president, his children Donald Jr, Ivanka and Eric and recently convicted chief financial officer Allen Weisselberg and other associates and entities face a sweeping lawsuit alleging that Mr Trump falsely inflated the value of his net worth by billions of dollars. He’s alleged to have done so in an effort to gain tax benefits and other benefits from insurers and financial institutions.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/trump-claims-that-his-trump-organization-can-t-be-sued-because-it-doesn-t-exist/ar-AA16NZU7?ocid=msedgntp&cvid=970d8a602a964b5397978ca7a4dc1a1e

Yeah... Good luck with that one ya fuckin maroon

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Probatim

(2,639 posts)
4. The whole reason he was the right guy to run the country was this business.
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 03:51 PM
Jan 2023

He "managed thousands of people" and "millions of dollars in projects" - and now he's claiming it isn't real?

This is no different than inflating the value of properties for loans and deflating them for taxes. Complete horseshit.

Buns_of_Fire

(17,328 posts)
7. He's spent his life plastering it on everything that didn't move
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 04:05 PM
Jan 2023

and now he expects to divorce himself from it? Yeah, right. Just another delaying tactic.

Lovie777

(12,787 posts)
9. Oh gosh.....
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 04:20 PM
Jan 2023

Can't shithole be a man and admit the truth. Only a weak ass person constantly lie. Oops that is the current GQP, and bunch of bullies that can't deal with the truth and cry like babies when they are confronted.

Jirel

(2,051 posts)
10. OMG, LOL - so admitting personal liability?
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 04:21 PM
Jan 2023

Can’t have it both ways, Donnie Dipstick. If there is no legal entity, all of you are personally liable. Do you really wanna go there?

rsdsharp

(9,353 posts)
12. If true, it's a decent argument. As I understand it, The Trump Organization
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 05:41 PM
Jan 2023

is really just several hundred LLCs, all owned by Trump. It has no legal existence on its own. If true, you can’t sue it, but you’d think they would have used that in a motion to dismiss when the case was first filed.

Although I haven’t done the research, if he’s successful in this, it may result in them going after him personally on a theory of piercing the corporate veil (or in this case the limited liability company — although I’m not sure it applies to that type of entity).

Ohio Joe

(21,809 posts)
13. Well... We know they had a CFO
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 05:49 PM
Jan 2023

Allen Weisselberg was recently convicted of crimes so... He was CFO of something

rsdsharp

(9,353 posts)
14. It could just be a title Trump gave him.
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 06:09 PM
Jan 2023

If in fact he is an “officer” he has to be an officer of an organization that has a legal existence. Maybe he is CFO of hundreds of LLCs which provide pass through income to Trump.

Corporations and LLCs don’t just exist because you say they do. Paperwork must be filed, usually with the secretary of state in the state in which they were created. There are, for instance articles of incorporation, annual reports, designation of officers and registered agents.

The paperwork provides protection for the individuals behind the entity. If there’s no entity, there’s no protection, but neither is there liability on the part of an entity that was never legally created.

Eugene

(62,095 posts)
15. Bears a striking resemblance to sovereign citizens bullshit.
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 06:26 PM
Jan 2023

Heaven help the lawyer(s) who filed this.

jmowreader

(50,715 posts)
16. Of course he is
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 06:48 PM
Jan 2023

The only thing Trump has left is the Chewbacca Defense, and he's going for the gusto on that one.

localroger

(3,646 posts)
17. This is really a desperate hail mary play
Fri Jan 27, 2023, 08:26 PM
Jan 2023

The problem with the TO not existing is that the reason you set up organizations like that is to limit liability to them. If the TO does not exist then the people who are responsible and need to be sued are TFG himself, TFG jr, Ivanka, and Eric personally.

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